tupac shakur

[Global_Justice]

what are your opinions of him?

whether or not you like his stlye of music, you have to admire his lyrics and what he tried to say and the messages he tried to leave behind.

[Redmau5]

Personally, I think Tupac was brilliant, although not exactly left-wing.

I think this should be in music by the way.

[Sentinel]

The lyrics to Changes are most definitely leftwing! It's maybe the best hip hop song I know.

Come on come on
I see no changes. Wake up in the morning and I ask myself,
"Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?"
I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black.
My stomach hurts, so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch.
Cops give a damn about a negro? Pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a hero.
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares? One less hungry mouth on the welfare.
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers.
Give 'em guns, step back, and watch 'em kill each other.
"It's time to fight back", that's what Huey said.
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead.
I got love for my brother, but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other. We gotta start makin' changes.
Learn to see me as a brother 'stead of 2 distant strangers.
And that's how it's supposed to be.
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids,
but things change, and that's the way it is.



(Come on, come on) That's just the way it is. Things'll never be the same.
That's just the way it is. aww yeah...
[Repeat]

I see no changes. All I see is racist faces.
[b] Misplaced hate makes disgrace for races we under.
I wonder what it takes to make this one better place...
let's erase the wasted.
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right.
'Cause mo' black than white is smokin' crack tonight.
And only time we chill is when we kill each other.
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.
And although it seems heaven sent,
we ain't ready to see a black President, uhh.
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact...
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks.
But some things will never change.
Try to show another way, but they stayin' in the dope game.
Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.
You gotta operate the easy way.
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way.
Sellin' crack to the kids. "I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is.


[Talking:]

[b] We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.

And still I see no changes. Can't a brother get a little peace?
There's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East.
Instead of war on poverty,
they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me.
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do.
But now I'm back with the facts givin' 'em back to you.
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up, crack you up and pimp smack you up.
You gotta learn to hold ya own.
They get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone.
But tell the cops they can't touch this.
I don't trust this, when they try to rush I bust this.
That's the sound of my tune. You say it ain't cool, but mama didn't raise no fool.
And as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped & I never get to lay back.
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs.
Some buck that I roughed up way back... comin' back after all these years.
Rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat. That's the way it is. uhh

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Tupac was a hypocrite. You can't make a song like changes then go on to make a song like hit em up. The song changes is worthless if you keep rapping about guns, and womanizing.

[Sentinel]

Tupac was a hypocrite. You can't make a song like changes then go on to make a song like hit em up. The song changes is worthless if you keep rapping about guns, and womanizing.

I haven't heard "hit em up" but I totally agree that hip hop is a genre dominated by sexists, and I especially despise "Gangsta Rap".

I thought Tupac was an exception, since I really haven't listened to his music much, except this song I like very much. I've also heard his mother was very political and therefore named his son the way she did.

When younger I mostly listened to techno, these days to almost everything from heavy metal to classical. Hip hop has never been my thing really, but there are some songs I find good none the less.

[C_Rasmussen]

With the exception of a couple rappers I absolutely HATE rap, period. All they do is talk about their fucking rims, blunts, how many girls they&#39;re going to rail (like anyone gives a fuck), and all around arrogance. No I don&#39;t like 2Pac. He fell into it just like everyone else but got popular by getting killed <_<.

[GoaRedStar]

You should read the interview CompañeroDeLibertad made with Sun Rise Above
the guy sounds pretty smarts

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...entry1292030175 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=47051&st=0&#entry1292030175)

[Hampton]

I especially despise "Gangsta Rap".

There is no such thing as "gangsta rap", there are no gangsta rappers just like there are no "gangsta actors".


Tupac was a hypocrite. You can&#39;t make a song like changes then go on to make a song like hit em up. The song changes is worthless if you keep rapping about guns, and womanizing.

You can have two opposing points of views and opinion at diffrent times in your life, everyone does he just expressed his ideas in songs. If all of his songs consisted of one thing or topic he would not be considered as good as he is. Changes is about one thing, Hit Em Up is about another, big deal. Hit Em Up had a huge impact on the rap industry, some may see it just him cursing but on the grand scale it was one rapper verbally calling out another unlike before,save maybe a few examples.


He fell into it just like everyone else but got popular by getting killed

So it&#39;s his fault he got shot? I could see blaming him for getting into the type of situation that he was into, which wasn&#39;t all his fault the media played a large part, but I can&#39;t see blaming him for being shot that night. The beef was about making music entertaining, which it did to a large extent, but it took a wrong turn when people blew it up into something larger than it was, one man made a whole coast hate another, it was crazy.

[FULL METAL JACKET]

You can have two opposing points of views and opinion at diffrent times in your life, everyone does he just expressed his ideas in songs. If all of his songs consisted of one thing or topic he would not be considered as good as he is.

I don&#39;t think so. He said the same view points all his life. Tupac is well known for making a ton of songs. In another words he made a postive song one day and a negative one the next. No one can deny that.


Changes is about one thing, Hit Em Up is about another, big deal. Hit Em Up had a huge impact on the rap industry, some may see it just him cursing but on the grand scale it was one rapper verbally calling out another unlike before,save maybe a few examples

Sorry but I don&#39;t buy into that. He made the song Hey Mama, dedicating it to his mother. That&#39;s nice and all but you can&#39;t be that much of a hypocrite to keep rapping about womanzing and calling women *****es. It&#39;s not just hit em up. That&#39;s just an example. There are countless number of other songs.

I heard Eminem use the same argument you just did and it&#39;s just not valid. Am not saying he&#39;s a horrible rapper, he could paint a picture in your mind, that&#39;s one thing I can take from him.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 06:12 PM

I especially despise "Gangsta Rap".

There is no such thing as "gangsta rap", there are no gangsta rappers just like there are no "gangsta actors".


Tupac was a hypocrite. You can&#39;t make a song like changes then go on to make a song like hit em up. The song changes is worthless if you keep rapping about guns, and womanizing.

You can have two opposing points of views and opinion at diffrent times in your life, everyone does he just expressed his ideas in songs. If all of his songs consisted of one thing or topic he would not be considered as good as he is. Changes is about one thing, Hit Em Up is about another, big deal. Hit Em Up had a huge impact on the rap industry, some may see it just him cursing but on the grand scale it was one rapper verbally calling out another unlike before,save maybe a few examples.


He fell into it just like everyone else but got popular by getting killed

So it&#39;s his fault he got shot? I could see blaming him for getting into the type of situation that he was into, which wasn&#39;t all his fault the media played a large part, but I can&#39;t see blaming him for being shot that night. The beef was about making music entertaining, which it did to a large extent, but it took a wrong turn when people blew it up into something larger than it was, one man made a whole coast hate another, it was crazy.
Well maybe the parties involved should&#39;ve thought a little bit on it before taking shots at each other. Thats exactly why rap has a fucking target on its chest. They talk too much shit about each other, take it to heart, and end up taking someone out. Basically thats how he got popular, by getting shot. Sort of like 50 getting shot 5 times. On a side note, how the Hell can you shoot someone 5 times and NOT kill them?

[Iroquois Xavier]

Tupac was an intelligent man who was struck down in his prime cause he was too powerful and had a political voice.

50 got shot 9 times...obviously by a crap shot&#33; :D

[Commie Rat]

rap sucks. dont kill me.

The rap culture in australia seems so fake, damn wu-tangs&#33;. plus they call me emo. <_<

Hilltop hoods aiiiight&#33;


(does anyone snotice that most wigger&#39;s are illiterate?(howz r u 2dai) that is fully how they write)

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 7 2006, 11:47 AM
rap sucks. dont kill me.

The rap culture in australia seems so fake, damn wu-tangs&#33;. plus they call me emo. <_<

Hilltop hoods aiiiight&#33;


(does anyone snotice that most wigger&#39;s are illiterate?(howz r u 2dai) that is fully how they write)
A post like that has no place on a leftist message board.

Tupac was not a voice for truth when he died. He had the potential to be, he was the most famous rapper in the World when he was killed. His mother was a Black Panther, and he was a person that people of all races would listen to.

The Good Die Young"

[Talk]
These is hard times we livin&#39; in
Churches burnin, planes fallin from the sky
Murder, the good die young
The good definitely die young
This is a lil&#39; somethin&#39;
To help you get through the day
If you could

It was more than a tragedy
Emotions be grabbin&#39; me
Plane fell from the sky
We tryin&#39; to figure what happened
Burnin&#39; churches, fearin&#39; God
Who can be so cruel
We all ignorant to AIDS
Till it happens to you
Just be a man, make plans
Listen to your voice
A woman&#39;s tryin&#39; to make decisions
We should leave them a choice
Cause who are we to say who lives and die
Breathes and stops
All this judgement on other lives
Needs to stop
What are we livin&#39; for
Givin&#39; more back than takin&#39;
On my knees still waitin&#39; for my own salvation
Now I feel abandoned
cause Pat Bucanan say I&#39;m greedy
You can take my taxes, send me to war
But can&#39;t feed me
It&#39;s so easy to regret things
After they done
Babies catchin&#39; murder cases
Scared to laugh in the sun
The tragedies that we all need
Love in doses
In times like these we feel closest
The good die young

Does anybody have an answer why
It seems the good die young
Can anybody tell me why
Can anybody tell me why [2x]

This is for all my homeboys that pa*sed away
And all yo&#39; homeboys that pa*sed away
I send this out to all the fallen soldiers
That&#39;s in the cemetaries buried
Never got to see they dreams
For everything I touch you touch
For every step I take you take
For every breath I breather you breathe
Every dollar I make you make
I told you we&#39;d make it to the sunshine one day
You just got there a little quicker
But like my homeboys Thugs say
I&#39;ll catch ya at the crossroads
The good die young

This song is dedicated to all them
Young kids and people that are innocent
That died young
At Columbine High
Rest in Peace (Oklahoma)
Outlawz
Lil&#39; young Xzandafer
Tasha, all them
All the fallen kids
The dead babies
The closed caskets

Don&#39;t pigeon-hole people. People can hold diverging views.

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Originally posted by TupacAndChe4Eva+Mar 7 2006, 09:52 AM--> (TupacAndChe4Eva @ Mar 7 2006, 09:52 AM)
Commie [email protected] 7 2006, 11:47 AM
rap sucks. dont kill me.

The rap culture in australia seems so fake, damn wu-tangs&#33;. plus they call me emo. <_<

Hilltop hoods aiiiight&#33;


(does anyone snotice that most wigger&#39;s are illiterate?(howz r u 2dai) that is fully how they write)
A post like that has no place on a leftist message board.

Tupac was not a voice for truth when he died. He had the potential to be, he was the most famous rapper in the World when he was killed. His mother was a Black Panther, and he was a person that people of all races would listen to.

The Good Die Young"

[Talk]
These is hard times we livin&#39; in
Churches burnin, planes fallin from the sky
Murder, the good die young
The good definitely die young
This is a lil&#39; somethin&#39;
To help you get through the day
If you could

It was more than a tragedy
Emotions be grabbin&#39; me
Plane fell from the sky
We tryin&#39; to figure what happened
Burnin&#39; churches, fearin&#39; God
Who can be so cruel
We all ignorant to AIDS
Till it happens to you
Just be a man, make plans
Listen to your voice
A woman&#39;s tryin&#39; to make decisions
We should leave them a choice
Cause who are we to say who lives and die
Breathes and stops
All this judgement on other lives
Needs to stop
What are we livin&#39; for
Givin&#39; more back than takin&#39;
On my knees still waitin&#39; for my own salvation
Now I feel abandoned
cause Pat Bucanan say I&#39;m greedy
You can take my taxes, send me to war
But can&#39;t feed me
It&#39;s so easy to regret things
After they done
Babies catchin&#39; murder cases
Scared to laugh in the sun
The tragedies that we all need
Love in doses
In times like these we feel closest
The good die young

Does anybody have an answer why
It seems the good die young
Can anybody tell me why
Can anybody tell me why [2x]

This is for all my homeboys that pa*sed away
And all yo&#39; homeboys that pa*sed away
I send this out to all the fallen soldiers
That&#39;s in the cemetaries buried
Never got to see they dreams
For everything I touch you touch
For every step I take you take
For every breath I breather you breathe
Every dollar I make you make
I told you we&#39;d make it to the sunshine one day
You just got there a little quicker
But like my homeboys Thugs say
I&#39;ll catch ya at the crossroads
The good die young

This song is dedicated to all them
Young kids and people that are innocent
That died young
At Columbine High
Rest in Peace (Oklahoma)
Outlawz
Lil&#39; young Xzandafer
Tasha, all them
All the fallen kids
The dead babies
The closed caskets

Don&#39;t pigeon-hole people. People can hold diverging views. [/b]
[2Pac]
Approach you and post a minute, arm on my double-R tinted
As you pass bye wink in my eye, freshly scented
What&#39;s the haps baby? (Whassup?) Come get with me and perhaps lady
you can help me multiply my stacks baby
Currency seems small I need companionship (hey)
Through with that - scandalous shit, I bet your man ain&#39;t shit
So why you hesitatin actin like yo&#39; shit don&#39;t stink
Check out my - diamonds ***** everyone gonna blink (bling bling bling)
This be a thug thang, Outlaw nigga with riches
Cream dreamin motherfucker, on a mash for *****es
Check my resume, sippin on Cristal and Alize
Smokin on big weed, keyed the Cali way
Don&#39;t like trickin but I&#39;ll buy you a fifth
I can&#39;t stand no sneaker-wearin nappy head *****
Let my pedigree, re-breed me, they&#39;re so cheap
Puttin *****-made bustas to sleep with no grief
Mash on my so-called comp, who the man?
While I&#39;m tuggin on yo&#39; main ***** head (C&#39;mere baby, Wessyde&#33;)
Understand this, ain&#39;t no nigga like me, fuck Jay-Z
He broke and I smoke daily (come on y&#39;all) baby let&#39;s be friends
from: fuck friendz

[2Pac]
Just pay attention
Here&#39;s a story bout my lil&#39; homies, straight thuggin
Lil&#39; bad young motherfucker, gotta love him
You catch him in his G ride, clutchin his glock
Screamin Outlaw (Wessyde motherfucker) bustin on my enemy&#39;s block
Educated on these cold streets
Gettin money makin dummies out the police, ain&#39;t no peace
for an adolescent nigga to rap, so be a thinker
Bud smokin twenty-four seven, everyday drinker
Got my diploma but I never learned shit in school
Mo&#39; money, mo&#39; *****es, mo&#39; murder fool
Always the young niggaz gettin in shit
She wouldn&#39;t stop to conversate so you called her a ***** (BIATCH)
Bustin on paper thin motherfuckers
Drinkin gin &#39;fore you get to sinnin on them busters
Emptied his clip, passed by like he didn&#39;t know me
Everybody duckin, my fuckin lil&#39; homies

[Chorus: repeat 2X]
Lil&#39; homies on the ride
Niggaz gonna die tonight, let&#39;s get high tonight
(my lil&#39; homies)
Lil&#39; homies on the mash
Runnin from these punk police, cause lil&#39; niggaz run the streets
(my fuckin lil&#39; homies)
from: lil homies

The man is a hypocrite.

[Commie Rat]

A post like that has no place on a leftist message board.

Fuck Oath it does.

[Hampton]

He said the same view points all his life.

I&#39;m sure you were there through out his whole life to justify this statement.


He made the song Hey Mama, dedicating it to his mother. That&#39;s nice and all but you can&#39;t be that much of a hypocrite to keep rapping about womanzing and calling women *****es. It&#39;s not just hit em up. That&#39;s just an example. There are countless number of other songs.

He rapped about "womanizing" because that was his life, he rapped about his mother because she was a good woman, she called women *****es because he thought some of them were. Ever listen to the song "Wonder Why They Call You *****"? No one claims that Pac was a saint and this great leftist that we all have to love, he wasn&#39;t perfect neither are we. I&#39;m sure we have all used the word ***** in a demeaning way to someone at some point and still love and respect women at the same time. That doesn&#39;t necessarily make you a hypocrite, it just means you have different emotions, in other words being a human.


Well maybe the parties involved should&#39;ve thought a little bit on it before taking shots at each other. Thats exactly why rap has a fucking target on its chest. They talk too much shit about each other, take it to heart, and end up taking someone out. Basically thats how he got popular, by getting shot. Sort of like 50 getting shot 5 times. On a side note, how the Hell can you shoot someone 5 times and NOT kill them?

Taking shots, har har. But it still sounds like blaming the victim. You have an argument with someone you don&#39;t expect to be shot because of it, battles or beefs in hip hop are no different. Nobody writes a song with the idea that it may get them shot and with good reason. Rappers don&#39;t shoot other rappers. People outside the industry have shot rappers. Pac, Biggie, Big L, Jam Master Jay no shot by fellow rappers, but by other assholes.

You know that Dimebag Darrell should have thought more about his music or he wouldn&#39;t have been shot.[/sarcasm]

Stupid stuff.

Pac got popular for being shot? Oh boy. His first two albums came out before he got shot and he was famous before that. He was a target of Al Gore and other moral crusaders before he got shot.


(does anyone snotice that most wigger&#39;s are illiterate?(howz r u 2dai) that is fully how they write)

Says the guy with the s in front of notice. Please stop.


The man is a hypocrite.

It doesn&#39;t prove anything. Want to just post alternating song lyrics between Letter to the President and another song where he says *****? It proves he had more than one side. Big whoop.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 5 2006, 09:34 PM
The lyrics to Changes are most definitely leftwing&#33;
Fuck I despise that song, decent lyrics, adopted by idiots who rap along to the lyrics while putting other people down or showing off their clothes plus the fact it has a shite poppy beat with a terrible hook


It&#39;s maybe the best hip hop song I know.
Jeesuz man, how much rap have you heard?

[C_Rasmussen]

Ok first and foremost, Dimebag got shot not because he dissed another rocker in a song, it was because some nutcase Pantera fan couldn&#39;t bare the thought of him jumping from Pantera to Damageplan and fucking shot him. You know damn well that theres less of a chance of getting shot in an argument than a rap beef/battle because more than likely the argument wouldn&#39;t be heard by millions of people like a battle/beef would. Its also common knowledge to know that if you get dissed and millions of people hear about it then its going to probably affect your reutation, career, etc... Thats why shootings fucking happen.

@ Hampton

[Tekun]

As far as his lyrics, they were not good, just not a talented writer
He might have been passionate, but his lyrics were not up to par
Im perplexed by the fact that many consider him the GOAT, yet overlook lyrical geniuses like Rakim and Rass Kass

The only reason that he is as popular as ever, is because he "predicted" his demise
And he connected with ppl, on a personal level, through his music
Aside from that he&#39;s just like 50 Cent and Game
Same style and same fan base, in fact during the time he was living, u could say that he had&#39;nt exploded like after his death

And I agree, he was greatly hipocritical
Hit Em Up and then Dear Momma??
And Wonda Why They Call U *****, was his interpretation of the word "*****," yet by no means does it make it right to proliferate the world with sexism, by promoting the word ***** for some women and not for others

There are certainly better rappers out there, that rap about more than &#036;, "*****es" and killing
U guys should listen to a lil Mos Def, Paris, Immortal Tech, Talib Kweli, Common, Black Market Militia, Zearle, and the RevLeft homie: Sun RA

[Global_Justice]

i agree he was a hypocrite, but some of his lyrics are briliant.

if you watch the film &#39;tupac resurection&#39; it lets you see the man himself. there is a very passionate speech by him, and also he says that the presidant should let homeless people live in the white house, which sounds pretty lefty to me&#33;

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 08:07 PM
i agree he was a hypocrite, but some of his lyrics are briliant.

if you watch the film &#39;tupac resurection&#39; it lets you see the man himself. there is a very passionate speech by him, and also he says that the presidant should let homeless people live in the white house, which sounds pretty lefty to me&#33;
Yeah, I&#39;ve seen the movie
And its a good speech, though filled with cuss words for dramatic effect?

However, he failed to act on his speech
I mean, he had the money, the following, and influence to create an entity to really change the hood
He knew what was right, and what was wrong
And he could of really done some good
But he didn&#39;t--sad really

If u think Pac&#39;s lyrics are brilliant...check Talib Kweli


[Talib Kweli]
Niggas on the street running like slaves
Trying to eat, yo, we averages
Twenty one years from the graves, back to baby carriages
The same hypocrites screaming pro-life and marriages
Be using religion to justify our savageness
&#39;How bad is this?&#39;
You and the creator need a mediator
Your priest is human
Your relationship with God is greater
The men who think they hard
Steady issuing death penalties
The people got no right to life cause they all slaves mentally
You turned&#39;Thou Shall Not Kill&#39; into a sham of a commandment
Your interpretation I cram to understand it
Like light
So if America is majority white
The the prison&#39;s another country like James Baldwin
Blacks and latinos all in the system
Like it&#39;s a calling to fall in the trap
That&#39;s why our blocks are infested with drugs and gats
In fact, cats on their throat cause the way they think is illegal
One thing you can&#39;t forget when you&#39;re dealing with people

[Vladislav]

I&#39;ve only heard one tupac song so I don&#39;t know shit, but didn&#39;t he fake his own death once?

Also I think 50 cent got shot at different times and he got shot in the throat once which gave him his rap voice.

[Invader Zim]

Over rated, and there are much better hip-hop artists. Listen to NWA and Ice-Cubes work. You should also check out Public Enemy.


I also like Run DMC, Sage Francis, but in all honesty I&#39;m not a huge fan of a hip-hop, but these have grown on me.

[bolshevik butcher]

Ive heard more hiphop i like recently but I&#39;m not a fan of tupac for many of the things stated above, his music is comercial, immortal technique and public enemy are far better rappers.

[MexAmLeft]

I still dont see how he is a hypocrite, some women are *****es and every person in this thread has lusted after a women at one time or another, quit acting like everybody is supposed to be perfect.You cant treat all women like decent virgins, your a sucker if you do.For those of you ignorant fools here dismissing pac as commercial listen to these songs and rethink that statement.


Letter to the president
Hold Ya Head
White mans world
Holla If ya hear me
Trapped
Violent
Soldier
Blasphemy
They dont give a fuck about us
Never Be Peace
Everything They Owe

Id be happy to post any of these songs

[Hampton]

However, he failed to act on his speech
I mean, he had the money, the following, and influence to create an entity to really change the hood
He knew what was right, and what was wrong
And he could of really done some good
But he didn&#39;t--sad really


He actually didn´t have the money, he had 7,000 in the bank when he died, not much for a guy who sold millions of records during his life. To say that he didn´t do good overlooks a lot of aspects of his life that you choose to ignore when you talk about Pac.


And Wonda Why They Call U *****, was his interpretation of the word "*****," yet by no means does it make it right to proliferate the world with sexism, by promoting the word ***** for some women and not for others

There are certainly better rappers out there, that rap about more than &#036;, "*****es" and killing
U guys should listen to a lil Mos Def, Paris, Immortal Tech, Talib Kweli, Common, Black Market Militia, Zearle, and the RevLeft homie: Sun RA

It´s funny though, Immortal Tech uses the word ***** and fag the same amount as Pac maybe even a little more and he is still help up with great regard and he also talks about killing people in his freestyles. That to me is a little hypocritical. Talib does songs with Dead Prez where they say ¨we got no love for crackers¨ but that´s okay too.

Wonder why they call you ***** was the actions of a women who made bad decisions like sleep around and got aids, spend the money for her child on herself and not spend time with the kid and Pac posed the question, Wonder why they call you a ***** and some would argee that such a woman may deserve to be called such.

[Tekun]

He actually didn´t have the money, he had 7,000 in the bank when he died, not much for a guy who sold millions of records during his life. To say that he didn´t do good overlooks a lot of aspects of his life that you choose to ignore when you talk about Pac.

U a pretty big Pac fan huh? ;)

Hmm, unless YOU checked his bank account on the day that he died, Im pretty skeptical about your unfathomable claim, he released 4 albums and he signed a pretty good deal with DeathRow, so Im thinking there was more in his bank account
Oh BTW, just for fun I googled the question and guess what most websites reported: &#036;150,000
But I guess u were there when they checked his account, right? :rolleyes:

In addition, lets forget about the &#036;&#036;
He had a good following around the US and the world, and what did he do?
He kept rapp&#39;in about murder and drugs, which unfortunately led him to his death
It seems that YOU choose to ignore the fact that he could of done a great deal of positive things yet his arrogance got in the way (from what I&#39;ve read and heard)



It´s funny though, Immortal Tech uses the word ***** and fag the same amount as Pac maybe even a little more and he is still help up with great regard and he also talks about killing people in his freestyles. That to me is a little hypocritical. Talib does songs with Dead Prez where they say ¨we got no love for crackers¨ but that´s okay too.

What&#39;s funny is your belief that IT is more coarse than Pac? Have u even listened to IT? :lol:
Tupac degrades women more on I Get Around and How Do U Want It than in all of Revolutionary Vol 1
In addition, most of IT&#39;s ***** comments are not directed towards women
Something that u can&#39;t justify for Pac

And yeah, I agree that IT uses some words and there&#39;z some songs that I don&#39;t appreciate, but his overall message in Revolutionary Vol 1 and 2 is better and more positive than in all the Pac albums recorded during his life
While IT is telling kids to go kill Bush for good reasons mind u, Pac is telling kids to sling reefers on the corners with a glock in their waistline
"WESTSIDE TILL WE DIE" :lol:

Seeing how u think Talib and Dead Prez are "cracker haters," I guess you overlook the fact that both Zearle and Sun RA praise and promote them (two white guys promoting "cracker haters")
But u seem to focus on a couple of lines that Talib and Dead Prez let slip, instead of focusing on an entire volume of positive lyrics, which I can&#39;t say the same for Pac... :rolleyes:
Talib and Dead Prez have done more positive work for the youth, than all of Pac&#39;s albums (Black Star and Lets Get Free)
The cleanest and most positive of Pac&#39;s albums was Me Against the World, and even on that LP there are about 4 or 5 songs which can be considered crass and negative
The opposite can be said for Dead Prez, IT, Talib, and i like how u overlooked Mos Def, Sun RA, Zearle
The majority of these guys&#39; work is positive, and all but 4 or 5 songs can be considered crass or negative



Wonder why they call you ***** was the actions of a women who made bad decisions like sleep around and got aids, spend the money for her child on herself and not spend time with the kid and Pac posed the question, Wonder why they call you a ***** and some would argee that such a woman may deserve to be called such.

So if a woman strays from her responsibilites bkuz of lifetime of pain and suffering, she&#39;s automatically a *****? C&#39;mon, turn off Pac and give Sun RA a try
I mean, Pac&#39;s mom went through similar situations, but Pac, as I can recall never called her a *****
Yet to other women, he had a double standard
Kinda like the motive to marry in prison, and then get divorced (Keisha Morris)

When he was growing up, Pac wrote about love and how much he admired women
Then once he got some play, he starts slamming and disrespecting women - What the hell is that?
So I guess Delores Tucker was a ***** too
As an admirer of Fred Hampton, I don&#39;t understand why you defend this guy so much
He had the resources to create something positive, but he took no action, and he died for such a decision
I bet that if he would of given up on his whole gansta image, he&#39;d still be alive

Seeing how u admire (as I) Fred Hampton, why don&#39;t u stop defending this guy, and start promoting positive cats like Mos, Sun RA, and IT

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by Tekun+Mar 11 2006, 05:19 AM--> (Tekun @ Mar 11 2006, 05:19 AM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 08:07 PM
i agree he was a hypocrite, but some of his lyrics are briliant.

if you watch the film &#39;tupac resurection&#39; it lets you see the man himself. there is a very passionate speech by him, and also he says that the presidant should let homeless people live in the white house, which sounds pretty lefty to me&#33;
Yeah, I&#39;ve seen the movie
And its a good speech, though filled with cuss words for dramatic effect?

However, he failed to act on his speech
I mean, he had the money, the following, and influence to create an entity to really change the hood
He knew what was right, and what was wrong
And he could of really done some good
But he didn&#39;t--sad really

[/b]
he was killed at 26 so you can&#39;t blame him for not acting on it.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Global_Justice+Mar 20 2006, 08:45 PM--> (Global_Justice @ Mar 20 2006, 08:45 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 05:19 AM

[email protected] 10 2006, 08:07 PM
i agree he was a hypocrite, but some of his lyrics are briliant.

if you watch the film &#39;tupac resurection&#39; it lets you see the man himself. there is a very passionate speech by him, and also he says that the presidant should let homeless people live in the white house, which sounds pretty lefty to me&#33;
Yeah, I&#39;ve seen the movie
And its a good speech, though filled with cuss words for dramatic effect?

However, he failed to act on his speech
I mean, he had the money, the following, and influence to create an entity to really change the hood
He knew what was right, and what was wrong
And he could of really done some good
But he didn&#39;t--sad really


he was killed at 26 so you can&#39;t blame him for not acting on it. [/b]
He was 25 BTW, but even at that age, he should of taken action
Bobby Hutton was a Black Panther as a teen, and he did more for the cause than Pac did
Age doesn&#39;t matter, he had BP&#39;s in his fam, and he did close to nothing for the cause, kuz that wouldn&#39;t sell albums
Terrible


Hampton...Im waiting ;)

[Hampton]

U a pretty big Pac fan huh?

Hmm, unless YOU checked his bank account on the day that he died, Im pretty skeptical about your unfathomable claim, he released 4 albums and he signed a pretty good deal with DeathRow, so Im thinking there was more in his bank account
Oh BTW, just for fun I googled the question and guess what most websites reported: &#036;150,000
But I guess u were there when they checked his account, right?

Cool dude...various movies and documentaries on Tupac say it another way so take your pick. And yes I did check his bank account, would that make you happy?


He had a good following around the US and the world, and what did he do?
He kept rapp&#39;in about murder and drugs, which unfortunately led him to his death
It seems that YOU choose to ignore the fact that he could of done a great deal of positive things yet his arrogance got in the way (from what I&#39;ve read and heard)

He rapped about what he knew...what does it matter if he rapped about drugs and murder? He wasn&#39;t 100% political which is something that people have a stick up their ass about when it comes to rappers. Get over it. Tupac has fans all over the world, you are right, and those fans hold him in high regard for a reason. Not because he called people *****es, but gave people hope through what he went through in life and what he rapped about in his songs, which was being the rose that grew from the concrete.

We could all do a lot more good things than we actually do do, why single him out? Becuase he had a spotlight on his every move, because he had a platform? He made a lot of positive songs, it seems that yourself seems to focus on the negative ones instead. Who wouldn&#39;t be arrogant in that position? I&#39;m sure you would never be though. Round and round we go.


Tupac degrades women more on I Get Around and How Do U Want It than in all of Revolutionary Vol 1
In addition, most of IT&#39;s ***** comments are not directed towards women
Something that u can&#39;t justify for Pac

Most is the important word, but that makes them okay right? I&#39;m sure he&#39;s talking about female dogs too, wink wink. That&#39;s the thing that people do not get, they can make upbeat songs like Hold Your Head and Dear Mama as well as 4th Branch and Freedom of Speech but they both have to remain true to the street, where they think there fan base is. And to do that they use the word ***** and talk about drugs and guns, it&#39;s part of the music, it does not make one a hypocrite and not the other.


And yeah, I agree that IT uses some words and there&#39;z some songs that I don&#39;t appreciate, but his overall message in Revolutionary Vol 1 and 2 is better and more positive than in all the Pac albums recorded during his life
While IT is telling kids to go kill Bush for good reasons mind u, Pac is telling kids to sling reefers on the corners with a glock in their waistline

Yes, because killing the President will do so much good for the world it wouldn&#39;t put a worse man in the most powerful position in the world. Pac talks about drugs because he sold them for a short period and because he is rapping towards a certain audience. That audience will do that without Pac because it makes the most sense and that&#39;s how they get ahead. But I really don&#39;t get the point of comparing the two, Tech has a lot of love for Pac, he and Fred Hampton Jr. attend his tribute concerts put on by his mom, go figure.


Seeing how u think Talib and Dead Prez are "cracker haters,"

Find the quote.


The cleanest and most positive of Pac&#39;s albums was Me Against the World, and even on that LP there are about 4 or 5 songs which can be considered crass and negative

By your seemingly immpossible standards that you look upon Pac, no thanks. It says ***** and gay and fag but it&#39;s cool, Pac says ***** and he&#39;s a hypocrite, makes sense. You opinion on value judgement means little considering many people consider it one of the best hip hop albums in the 90&#39;s and ever. And who says a song has to be clean to be good? Get off your moral high horse, fucking crass, you sound like Al Gore&#39;s wife. Slap that warning sticker on there. Cover your ears, head for the hills&#33;


Talib and Dead Prez have done more positive work for the youth, than all of Pac&#39;s albums (Black Star and Lets Get Free)

Take a poll for this? Get real.


Then once he got some play, he starts slamming and disrespecting women - What the hell is that?
So I guess Delores Tucker was a ***** too
As an admirer of Fred Hampton, I don&#39;t understand why you defend this guy so much

You must not know what Delores Tucker did. Check out White Manz World and Hold Ya Head both from his last album about women. Is that disrespect and I can assure you that was when he was getting the most ass. (Ohh, I said ass)


Bobby Hutton was a Black Panther as a teen, and he did more for the cause than Pac did

Please just stop.

Fred Hampton has shit to do with this, get over yourself.

[Tekun]

Cool dude...various movies and documentaries on Tupac say it another way so take your pick. And yes I did check his bank account, would that make you happy?

Is Tupac Resurrection one of em?
U looked in his bank account? :o Good one man, good one....



He rapped about what he knew...what does it matter if he rapped about drugs and murder? He wasn&#39;t 100% political which is something that people have a stick up their ass about when it comes to rappers. Get over it. Tupac has fans all over the world, you are right, and those fans hold him in high regard for a reason. Not because he called people *****es, but gave people hope through what he went through in life and what he rapped about in his songs, which was being the rose that grew from the concrete.

Brother, what&#39;re u doing? :(
It matters bkuz the majority of those who buy his music were and are young men
As such these young men are so insecure of themselves (due to the age), that they think Pac is cool kuz he raps about murder and drugs
And as a result, unfortunately, alot of these young men start imitating and practicing what they hear
And thats why our streets, especially the ghetto and the barrio, are inundated with violence and poison
This and other irresponsible music is what perpetuates the degradation and ignorance in ppl (there are other reasons of course, but this is a primary one)

I don&#39;t have a problem if he wasn&#39;t political or not
Mos Def isn&#39;t political, Common isn&#39;t political, Talib isn&#39;t political
But I do have a problem when someone, as smart as Pac was, is irresponsible and jeopardizes all the positives programs that try to uplift and reform the young ppl


Bro, Pac might have rapped about "the rose that grew from the concrete," but the rest of the garbage that he conveyed makes "the rose...." and its message insignificant
The negative aspects of his music, outweighs the positives
Therez too many ppl who want to be like him, not for the positives, but for the negative (e-thug, wannabe thugs, and the like...)
And I feel that he should stopped it with the we got guns in our muthafuckin belts, kuz it probably would of saved his life



We could all do a lot more good things than we actually do do, why single him out? Becuase he had a spotlight on his every move, because he had a platform? He made a lot of positive songs, it seems that yourself seems to focus on the negative ones instead. Who wouldn&#39;t be arrogant in that position? I&#39;m sure you would never be though. Round and round we go.

I don&#39;t understand your first sentence
Single him out? I guess u forgot the topic of this thread
But if there was a thread on Biggie, or 50 Cent, or Game - I&#39;d call em out on it

But I don&#39;t feel that I single him, the fact is that he is one of the two most influential rappers in hip hop history (and of that time)
As such, he should of done more to help than to corrupt the youth
He realized and knew that what he was doing was not positive, he even tried to justify it in many of the interviews in Tupac: Resurrection
U can&#39;t do it

He made some good songs, but they are insignificant when comparing them against the many more negative songs he made
U can&#39;t justify or downplay the negataive impact that the following songs had on society: Hit Em Up, Troublesome 96, Bomb First, 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, Wonda Why They Call U *****, Fuckin With The Wrong Nigga, I Get Around,.....

Arrogant?
C&#39;mon man grow up, focus on the issue instead of taking cheap shots :rolleyes:




Most is the important word, but that makes them okay right? I&#39;m sure he&#39;s talking about female dogs too, wink wink. That&#39;s the thing that people do not get, they can make upbeat songs like Hold Your Head and Dear Mama as well as 4th Branch and Freedom of Speech but they both have to remain true to the street, where they think there fan base is. And to do that they use the word ***** and talk about drugs and guns, it&#39;s part of the music, it does not make one a hypocrite and not the other.

That doesn&#39;t make it okay, I admit, like I&#39;ve said b4
No one is perfect
But the amount of filth and unnecessary violence in Pac songs greatly outweighs any IT songs
Look at it from a neutral standpoint, instead of trying to justify Pac

I agree with u about their fan base and such
But IT has a good message in all but 3 songs on Revolutionary Vol 3
Conversely, Pac is the opposite
He makes 3 positive songs on All Eyez on Me, and the rest are filth

But if u wanna aimlessly justify his actions, u go ahead



Yes, because killing the President will do so much good for the world it wouldn&#39;t put a worse man in the most powerful position in the world. Pac talks about drugs because he sold them for a short period and because he is rapping towards a certain audience. That audience will do that without Pac because it makes the most sense and that&#39;s how they get ahead. But I really don&#39;t get the point of comparing the two, Tech has a lot of love for Pac, he and Fred Hampton Jr. attend his tribute concerts put on by his mom, go figure.

I rather have someone rap about destroying and murdering this capitalistic gov (I hope u agree)
Than have the GOAT rap about killing other young black men over drug beefs
IT was sold drugs and prolly murdered, but u don&#39;t see him promoting it
On the contrary, he condemns such actions on Dance wit the Devil
Pac condemned his actions, but then promoted them on many other songs - hypocritical

The audience has no bearing on the music u make, kuz it will eventually reach the masses
U gotta be responsible about what u distribute to young men and women, especially in the ghettos where violence is terrible already
I guess u forget that Pac made his millions by selling "thug" music to young men, who then imitated his lyrics -- quite irresponsible if u ask me
IT is no where near to the filth that Pac was at

IT and Fred Hampton Jr might have love for Pac
And thats fine, I respect their outlook on music
But just kuz two ppl respect someone, doesn&#39;t mean Im gonna

What Pac did was counterintuitive to what groups like the Boys and Girls Club try to achieve: which is to keep kids (especially inner city kids) away from drugs, violence, and gangs



Find the quote.

Hampton:
Talib does songs with Dead Prez where they say ¨we got no love for crackers¨ but that´s okay too.

Same thing



By your seemingly immpossible standards that you look upon Pac, no thanks. It says ***** and gay and fag but it&#39;s cool, Pac says ***** and he&#39;s a hypocrite, makes sense. You opinion on value judgement means little considering many people consider it one of the best hip hop albums in the 90&#39;s and ever. And who says a song has to be clean to be good? Get off your moral high horse, fucking crass, you sound like Al Gore&#39;s wife. Slap that warning sticker on there. Cover your ears, head for the hills&#33;

Impossible?
If possible standards means allowing and justifying Pac to inundate our neighborhoods with music that disrespects women, proliferates violence, and promotes "thugness"
I&#39;ll pass, and have impossible standards
And this goes for other, not just Pac

Like I&#39;ve said b4, I don&#39;t like when IT says something negative
But compare the filth in Pac&#39;s albums with the 10 negative words (yeah I counted them) in Revolutionary Vol 2
No contest&#33;
Can&#39;t u see the reality, Pac&#39;s image was all about thugness and violence, which he then manifested within his music
Look at the thousands of pics that show him and a gun? Now that&#39;s sense&#33;

Well thats fine, Im not change anyone&#39;s opinion on Pac
If ppl think its one of the best hip hop albums, thats their opinion, but it seems that these same ppl have never heard of BlackStar, Common, or the Roots
But I am gonna show them that what they&#39;re listening does nothing to help us eradicate gang and youth violence, on the contrary it proliferates it


For song to be good, it can be clean or whatever
But please don&#39;t promote violence and drugs
There is enough violence and drugs in the inner city as it is, we don&#39;t need Pac to make that garbage look "cool"

C&#39;mon Hampton, enough with the cheap shots
U seem like a smart cat, if u wanna discuss something, lets discuss it without stupid cheap shots -- Al Gore? :rolleyes:


You must not know what Delores Tucker did. Check out White Manz World and Hold Ya Head both from his last album about women. Is that disrespect and I can assure you that was when he was getting the most ass. (Ohh, I said ass)

She did a great number of positive things for black ppl (though she did work with this hypocritical gov)
Besides fighting gangsta rap and negative aspects of rap, Delores Tucker did alot for Afro American&#39;s during the Civil rights movement
Since Pac lived off gangsta rap and the negative aspects of hip hop, he took exeception for anyone that was trying to clean it up
So he started taking shots at a woman, who just like his mom, did a great number of things during the 60&#39;s
"Delores Tucker you&#39;s a motherfucker / Instead of trying to help a nigga you destroy your brother"
What more help does Pac need, does he want her to look the other way, while he poisons young Afro Americans with violence and drug music??

Not good...

White Manz Wolrd and Hold Ya Head were positive, I wont deny it
He had a lot of positive, and could of done more
But what about How Do u Want It, or I Get Around?
Just compare the number of positive songs and those that are negative
And you&#39;ll see that, even if he wanted to put out good songs, he knew they wouldn&#39;t sell
So as a result, in order to sell and make &#036;&#036;, he put out filth and negativity



Please just stop.

Fred Hampton has shit to do with this, get over yourself.

I wasn&#39;t addressing your post, look it up
Cmon man, don&#39;t try to dismiss me with phrases like "get over yourself"
Lets try to be adults here <_<

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 7 2006, 05:28 AM
wigger&#39;s
This is slang for "white niggers." I don&#39;t think that phrase has very good connotations for anyone, let alone a leftist. So let&#39;s not use it, okay?

[Hampton]

It matters bkuz the majority of those who buy his music were and are young men
As such these young men are so insecure of themselves (due to the age), that they think Pac is cool kuz he raps about murder and drugs
And as a result, unfortunately, alot of these young men start imitating and practicing what they hear
And thats why our streets, especially the ghetto and the barrio, are inundated with violence and poison
This and other irresponsible music is what perpetuates the degradation and ignorance in ppl (there are other reasons of course, but this is a primary one)

The guy had two sides, one like Letter to the President and Hold Ya Head and then another like Hit Em Up. He had more than one emotion and idea that ran through this head which he expressed in his music. People take from both sides, to completely concentrate on the "negative", which I don&#39;t agree with, is false and doing him a misdeed as is to think that his songs did not have violence in them. To think that people don&#39;t have enough sense to figure that hey maybe it&#39;s not a good idea to kill people like rappers do in their music is also doing them a misdeed. Does it happen yes, but it&#39;s not the fault of one man. Tupac even said that the streets are deathrow. His life was an example of what happens when you lose control, much like Huey Newton&#39;s was. He did not die because his music was negative, he died over petty gang shit.


Bro, Pac might have rapped about "the rose that grew from the concrete," but the rest of the garbage that he conveyed makes "the rose...." and its message insignificant
The negative aspects of his music, outweighs the positives
Therez too many ppl who want to be like him, not for the positives, but for the negative (e-thug, wannabe thugs, and the like...)
And I feel that he should stopped it with the we got guns in our muthafuckin belts, kuz it probably would of saved his life

I disagree 100%. He didn’t not die because of his songs, he died because he got involved in gangs and stomped a guy hours before he got shot in response to it. Huey was a crack head for the last years of his life and often shook people down for cash to fund some of the Panther&#39;s programs, does that make the work he did earlier in his life completely "insignificant?" And I&#39;m not comparing Pac&#39;s like work to Huey&#39;s don&#39;t worry.


He made some good songs, but they are insignificant when comparing them against the many more negative songs he made
U can&#39;t justify or downplay the negataive impact that the following songs had on society: Hit Em Up, Troublesome 96, Bomb First, 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, Wonda Why They Call U *****, Fuckin With The Wrong Nigga, I Get Around,..

What negative impact did 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, Bomb First, or Troublesome 96 have? Granted he&#39;s talking about guns and other violence, but he&#39;s telling a story as most rappers do. Does it promote those kind of actions?, I wouldn&#39;t know. And to say that songs like Dear Momma or Brenda&#39;s got a Baby are "insignificant" because he said he fucked Biggie&#39;s wife is crazy.


But the amount of filth and unnecessary violence in Pac songs greatly outweighs any IT songs
Look at it from a neutral standpoint, instead of trying to justify Pac

Filth is such a ridiculous word to use. Is Marvin Gaye&#39;s "Let&#39;s Get it On" or "Sexual Healing" filthy? Or 2/3 of Barry White&#39;s catalog of music? Hate to break it to ya but the whole world is violent, talking about killing Bush or having the Oval Office filled with dead politicans on your CD jacket is also unnecessary and for shock and as well as being poorly photoshoped.


I agree with u about their fan base and such
But IT has a good message in all but 3 songs on Revolutionary Vol 3
Conversely, Pac is the opposite
He makes 3 positive songs on All Eyez on Me, and the rest are filth

So 24 songs completely filth? And I&#39;m not neutral?


Since Pac lived off gangsta rap and the negative aspects of hip hop, he took exeception for anyone that was trying to clean it up
So he started taking shots at a woman, who just like his mom, did a great number of things during the 60&#39;s
"Delores Tucker you&#39;s a motherfucker / Instead of trying to help a nigga you destroy your brother"
What more help does Pac need, does he want her to look the other way, while he poisons young Afro Americans with violence and drug music??

I&#39;m sure she did a number of great things for black people, but she also tried to ban rap altogether, so you can understand why Tupac did not like her. Trying to ban an art form and be a self appointed censor, very democratic and helpful. She also sued his mom after he was dead claiming that the song ruined her sex life, nice lady. Was it a nice thing to say? Maybe not, but what do you expect when you try to take away someone&#39;s job.

And to say that he was poisoning young black men is with no validity, that must mean that you think NWA tried to poison the youth, Ice Cube, Outkast, a hundred others if they mention drugs or guns? But, if people imitate what they hear will they go and try to kill the President? That&#39;s a great message and also very irresponsible.


But compare the filth in Pac&#39;s albums with the 10 negative words (yeah I counted them) in Revolutionary Vol 2
No contest&#33;

Filth, says you and Delores Tucker. People curse when they talk so they curse in rap.


And you&#39;ll see that, even if he wanted to put out good songs, he knew they wouldn&#39;t sell
So as a result, in order to sell and make &#036;&#036;, he put out filth and negativity

Dear Momma, Papaz Song, Brenda&#39;s got a Baby, or Keep Your Head Up didn&#39;t sell? And yes, his other singles had curses in them, but it does not make those three songs erased from history and forgotten by all.

[reddagger]

Seeing how u think Talib and Dead Prez are "cracker haters," I guess you overlook the fact that both Zearle and Sun RA praise and promote them (two white guys promoting "cracker haters")

Comrades,
The right for African-Americans to practice self-determinism is intrinsic to the revolution. Talib and dead prez can say whatever they want about the dominant capitalist white man, what is not cool is thinking that you can section them as racists in this thread about Tupac. dead prez are separated due to ideological differences similar to the debates on this thread. Stic is pushing "bossup" a metaphor for "man up" to mean get money, he is selling a book and working on a solo joint. M-1 is touring with Ghostface and is also struggling with his role as revolutionary and MC. I support dead prez because they are skilled artists with ideologies I support, is not that what everyone is stating on this &#39;Pac debate? That although flawed and on the path of a capitalist sell-out, Death Row pushing his violent side over all else, we know he was a revolutionary struggling to find his struggle, his people, his vision. However, he was killed. He needed a motorcycle trip...

Now, you capitalist roader, revisionist, police, snitch, agent. I am Latino and have always been Latino. Born in D.F. with Argentine “gaucho” father. Will you toss me in the colored club with Talib and dead prez leaving just Sun Ra as race traitor? Get my name out your mouth sell out punk. Run through my music; find me talking about fucking *****es, slapping white boys, killing anyone other then snitches and agent provocateurs. If your beef against me is that I am a race traitor, that make you a racialist or one who view the world through race. I’m a socialist and I fight against oppression, injustice, class antagonism, racism, sexism, gender issues, youth, disabled and people who are finding out tomorrow that they are oppressed. I shit on keyboard liberals.

And unnamed MCs need to stop eating meat, cumming in *****es faces and accept their role as revolutionaries. Clean up the politics, the people need you. Stop dumbing down the revolution.

Solidarity
Z

[APureRevolution]

Listen to Immortal Technique, he is very informed in the struggle against capitalism. Speaks the truth, and is very good lyrically. One of my favorite artist out right now, he actually got a deal with Sony but denied it. He is a true artist and speaks out on politics and other things.