People!What do you think about Chechnya??? - I hope, you are

[Kapitan Andrey]

I'am Russian, and I want to know:"What do you think about situation in Chechnya?"

I hope, you are disagree with those damn "separatists"!They killed a lot of russians and other people, but this war is loosed by our army, because we can not fight against even the half of this nation!!!

Suddenly, many pro-yankist countries psichology is:"Everething that bad for Russia, is GOOD for us!!!"
And that because they help those bandits with information and amunition!!! )-:

[elisabeth]

Of course i disagree with the separatists, but I also think that war is not the first solution that comes in handy. But...hmmh.. if they can't come and talk first... what happens then...?

[Kapitan Andrey]

...yes-yes...I remember everething...1994-1995...31 of December...Grozniy...DEATH,SCREAMS, [email protected]$ING CHECHENS.....that was Eltsin's order, DAMN HIS SOUL!!!

I HATE ELTSIN!!! Stupid idiots...They have thrown us to DIE in the streets of Grozniy...many young guys died in that battle...

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I think the chechen rebels are the same shit as the albanians ,first they just wanted Kosovo now they want Macedonia.To me this is not a war for freedom just a war of interests do freedom fighters finance themselves with drugs?Well that's what the Chechen terrorists do.And I agree they only suport them because their bad for Russia.But then why doesn't the US suport the IRA or ETA?It's simple really those organizations are agaisnt the countrys which obey any decision "the defender of democracy" gives.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Thank you for your support!!!

Of course I hate those "separatists", but war in Chechnya is became a "money wash" for some of ours generals/BIG buisnessmen and others who want to be reach by BLOOD OF OUR SOLIDERS!!!

This is some kind of plan:

1)"Traitors" support terrorists with weapons.
2)Terrorists kills our soliders.
3)"Traitors" ought to support our soliders with food and other, but they don't do it, and put MONEY FOR FOOD in their pocket!!!

...or something like this...

This war is loosed...it is bad, but it is the true!!! )-:

[Pete]

The IRA recieves alot of funding from the Boston business community. Damn nationalism:S

[Just Joe]

the Chechens deserve there own nation. Russian imperialism needs to end.

[CheViveToday]

I know too little about the conflict between Chechnya and Russia to really comment. I never support people [this goes for either side] who immediately think fighting is the answer. I'm just wondering, is there anything that would provoke the Chechens to lash out? I believe I've heard something about Russian troops in their land? That could anger me as well.

[Kapitan Andrey]

just joe...shut up your FU**ING mouth!!!

My country is not capitalistic or imperialistic!!!
I'm not against the Chechens as nation, I'm against this damn "separatists-terrorists"!!!

CheViveToday....sorry I did't understood your position...

[Just Joe]

Russia is capitalist smart guy. its also imperialist as it rules over Chechnya; a country that has a different language, culture and race of people, than Russia.

maybe if your boys got out of Chechnya, you wouldn't have to worry about 'terrorism'?

and quit the tough guy talk, keyboard commando.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...why am I talking with such UNinformated idiot!?
If you don't know anything, I'll tell you:

31-th of August 1996...Õàñàâüþðòîâñêîå ñîãëàøåíèå-(hard to tell on english) peasce with Free Chechnya!
So...and what then? After several months (in January) FU**ING terrorists attaked city Kizlyar and town Pervomayskoe...78 innocent civilians has been killed and >100 were wounded by your lovely terrorists!!!

So...What do you think now!?

[LOIC]

The problem is that it's hard to have any information about what happened in Chechnya because journalists are not allowed there.
It's for sure a reason to be wary.
Moreover there are more and more testimonies about the atrocities made in Chechnya by the russian army(murders, tortures, rape...).
So I know too little about the separatists to have an opinion but I'm sure that putin is just a bloody killer.

(Edited by LOIC at 3:05 pm on Feb. 12, 2003)

[Just Joe]

kaptain, i support Chechen independance. nothing to do with terrorism. the terrorists are Islamic fundamentalists so i don't support there views.

why do you think Russia has the right to rule over Chechnya?

[Kapitan Andrey]

LOIC:>I'm sure that putin is just a bloody killer.<
DON'T SPEAK THIS WAY ABOUT MY PRESIDENT!!! :angry:

Just Joe:>i support Chechen independance<
So...F**K YOU MORON!!! YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTOOD ANYTHING FORM MY LAST POST!!! :angry:

>why do you think Russia has the right to rule over Chechnya?<
BECAUSE THIS IS OUR TERRITORY!!! :angry:

[Just Joe]

kaptain andrey, you make AK-47 look informative and knowledgeable.

thats a polite way of saying youre a fucking clown who claims to like Che Guevara but dislike the Prolateriat, even though you don't understand the meaning, and supports Russian imperialism over a seperate Chechen nation that has no historic links or similarities in culture, with Russia.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...Shut up you irish-MORON!!!

If you are so stupid idiot, then stop posting here!!!

>Russian imperialism<
Dumb-ass!!! We are democratic country!!!

>seperate Chechen nation that has no historic links or similarities in culture, with Russia<
Idiot!!! Then many other Russian republicks must separate from Russia!? I say NO!!! I leave in one of the conquered by Russian cossaks land names Yakutia...(I'm Russian) We leave with yakuts like a brothers!!! But so IDIOTS and DAMN-SEPARATISTS-TERRORISTS as you want to separate as many brother nations as they can!!!

So...GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! AND F**K OUT WITH YOUR SEPARATIST-TERRORIST OPINION!!! :angry:

[Kez]

This is an imperialist war, Russia being the imperialist nation, therefore as marxists we should take an anti-russian stance on this situation. The workers of russia dont want this war, nobody wants the war except the imperialists and capitalists

Drop the Nostalgia

[Kapitan Andrey]

TavareeshKamo....Êàêîé òû ìíå, íàõåð, òîâàðèù!?
I'm ready to dispute, that you even didn't understood that and that you aren't Russian!!!

Moron...It's too late to walk away from Chechnya!!!
Damn >eltsin<!!! I hate him!!! Because of him all of this happened!!! Now we can't go out, because we could left the terrorists nest behind us!!!

[Kez]

no im not russian (so what?)

The situation in Chechnya must be solved in a marxist lenist route, through self-determination,
once this has been done a socialist federation can be establishedd with russia in the caucases.

You arent a marxist while you look at national and ethnic differences, this is a class struggle comrade, not bullshit imperialist war

[redstar2000]

Kapitan Andrey, I think you misunderstand the nature of the che-lives message board.

If you are looking for cheerleaders to support Russian imperialism in Chechnya...you will probably not find any.

And even those who are critical of the Chechnyan separatists will probably only criticize their violence and their Islamic fundamentalism...you will not find anyone who thinks that Russia today has any kind of "historic right" to retain possession of the conquests of the czars.

You appear to be a simple Russian nationalist...and not any kind of leftist at all...at least judging by your posts to this thread. In particular, your defense of Russian President Putin is inexplicable in any terms that could be considered "leftist".

The fact that your own country has restored capitalism and now behaves in the same way towards other countries that all capitalist countries behave--imperialism--seems to distress you past the point of rational discussion...you can only fume and curse. And since English is clearly not your native tongue, you don't do it very well.

Naturally, I have no idea what resources are available to Russian speakers on the internet...but you clearly need to begin to educate yourself on the history of Russian expansionism under the czars and on some basic Marxist ideas.

And perhaps you could also look for a non-political message board to practice your English. I'm not trying to make you look bad...I'm just offering the best advice that I can.

:cool:

[Just Joe]

REDSTAR! why i talk with uninform IDIOT!!!!!

Russia can not be imperialist because we is democratic!!!! IDIOT!!!!!

i love che but FUCK all prolaters!!!! prolateris support Lenin who was German spy during world war 2!!!!! you uninform IDIOT!!11!!!111!!

if you are stupid idiot stop posting on here because i am Russian and we kill Chechens because is our territori!!!! IDIOT!!11!!!11!!111!

[redstar2000]

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

And a big !! and !!! to you too. :cheesy:

:cool:

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...Yes!!! You are right! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Tavareesh Kamo...I have nothing to talk with you!

redstar2000...
>I think you misunderstand the nature of the che-lives message board.<
You are wrong!

>If you are looking for cheerleaders to support Russian imperialism in Chechnya...you will probably not find any.<
I'VE ALREADY SAID:" WE ARE NOT IMPERIALISTS!!!"

>You appear to be a simple Russian nationalist<
FUCK YOU, MORON!!! :angry:
>and not any kind of leftist at all<
I'm a socialist!

>but you clearly need to begin to educate yourself on the history of Russian expansionism under the czars and on some basic Marxist ideas.<
FUCK YOU AGAIN!!! I know my history! :angry:

>And perhaps you could also look for a non-political message board to practice your English.<
My English is not your business!!!

>I'm not trying to make you look bad<
Wrong!

[kylie]

(Edited by feoric at 11:51 am on May 20, 2003)

[Pete]

Ok Kaptain.

1. Provide proof that Russia is not imperalist. America is a sort of democracy and is an imperialist nation. Britain has had limited democracy for centuries and has been imperialistic.

2. There are different kinds of socailists. Are you a Democratic Socialist? Or a Social Democrat who thinks that that is socialism? Or a form of National Socialism from Russia? I am not insulting, just trying to find out your shade of red.

3. Define your take of Imperialism please, that will smooth somethings out. I think you are taking it differently then we are appling it causing confusion.

4. Joe try not to make fun of him because his grammar is not as good as yours.

5. I have an understanding that Putin is not a socialist in anyway, and is only reversing what the CCCP did in your country, turning it into a capitalist country. Am I mistaken? Why, if I am?

6. LEARN TO TAKE CRITICISM AND YOUR NATIONALISM MY GET YOU BANNED FROM THIS PART OF THE BOARD. Just a warning.

Pete

[Kapitan Andrey]

1)Don't call me kapTAIN!!! I'm Kapitan!
2) About 6th...Oh-oh-oh...I'm SO sceared!!! HA-HA-HA!!!
_____________________________________________

1) Only I can say:" I live here, I know what is happening, but proofs...We got alot of freedoms: of wors, of writeing, of mind...

2) I'm a new kind of socialist - "temperate socialist"!!!

3)Didn't understood.
4)About Putin...something is right...

[kylie]

ok kaptain,

1) Only I can say:" I live here, I know what is happening, but proofs...We got alot of freedoms: of wors, of writeing, of mind...


well by that logic everyone in america knows more about the US governments corruption than me. so why are they still in power.

[RedPirate]

The Yanks don't feel totally whats bad for Russia is Good for Us, Its more like the people who can't thnk for themselves so they have ot have someone else tell them what to do. Anyway, just that does suck man, and I think it should end, Since I am Anti-War... But thats me, no harsh comments please.... Though you have a point

[oconner]

ok...CERTAIN people are getting slightly worked up about this, let's discuss this in a calm and rational manner lol.
I find personally that much of the anti-Checnen propaganda comes from the fact that the majortiry in the region are Muslim. I also believe that there is a separte Checnen culture, proven my the fact that they are not called Russians and are treated as ousiders. While I agree that they have killed many Russians it can't be denied that the Russians have killed many non-combatants. Anyway, this is my opinion, no doubt many people will disagree :)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Damn it! Of course I disagree!!!

For example:
"Today HE/SHE(Chechen) is smiling to you...second day HE is bandit-terrorist and SHE is setting a bomb near market place!!!
OR...
...on second night HE'll kill you!!! (lol...HE'll is like HELL!!!)

Understood why?

[Just Joe]

right, because every Chechen is a terrorist. put down your copy of pravda and look at the situation you clown. and don't just respond with a torrent of incoherent gibberish.

Chechnya is not 'your' territory. it is Chechnya not Russia. the people have had imperialism imposed on them for years and they deserve there own state.

[Pete]

Sorry kapItan!

1. What is a 'temprete' socialist as you put it?
2. Americans have freedoms, but they are still imperialistic. Give me sources. Links. Books to go read. That kind of thing.
3. What do you mean by imperialism?

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...Fuck you, irish pig! My English is not perfect, but it is not your business!!!

>right, because every Chechen is a terrorist<
Shut up! I didn't said that!!! There are loyal Chechens!!!

>put down your copy of pravda and look at the situation you clown.<
Fuck you again! I'm not reaging Pravda, I'm not clown!

>Chechnya is not 'your' territory. it is Chechnya not Russia<
Stupid idiot!!! Chechnya is been conquered by Russian Empire long time ago!!!

This is UN-logical!!! Alright, may be we must give back Kaliningrad and whole Kaliningradskaya oblast' to Germany!? I don't think so! Give back south Kurillskiye isles to Japan!? I don't think so!

Ultimatum:

We will "free" Chechnya with this conditions:

1)Turkey must give back "nortern Kipr" to KIPR!!!
2)Spain must "free" Basks!
3)u.s.a. must give back Puerto-Rico to Spain!
4)u.s.a. must "free" Hawai !!!
5)Indonesia must "free" East Timor
6)China,India and Pakistan must "free" Kashmir!!!
7)Turkey and Iraq must "free" Pushtunes!!!
and others....

Do you see? FOOL!!!

[Kapitan Andrey]

CrazyPete...Temperate socialism in my own way!

Sorry...I can't give you any link...I don't know how to do it!

Imperialism...hm...
1) The name of country ending on(Roman, German, Russian)...Empire.
2)When the country conquers new territory or RESOURCES, by war!(as u.s.a. want to do with Iraq)
3)When Imperator is ONE leader of the country!

[kylie]

Stupid idiot!!! Chechnya is been conquered by Russian Empire long time ago!!!



so you say this, yet still maintain:
I'VE ALREADY SAID:" WE ARE NOT IMPERIALISTS!!!"



you say chechnya should stay a part of russia because you conquered it. well uh, this is part of what imperiailists do.

We will "free" Chechnya with this conditions:



so you're not willing to take the lead? instead you will only do something if everyone else does the same? well apart from a few, all countries are capitalist, and as capitalism is a cause of imperialism, you ARE imperialist.

Shut up! I didn't said that!!! There are loyal Chechens!!!


you said one day chechens are
Today HE/SHE(Chechen) is smiling to you...second day HE is bandit-terrorist and SHE is setting a bomb near market place!!!

so how can you tell if there are loyal chechens? and what do you mean by 'loyal' anyway? submissive?

(Edited by feoric at 12:46 pm on Mar. 4, 2003)

[Pete]

Ok. So atleast your recongize Russia as being Imperial. Stuff is fitting in, and my confusion is working away. Thank you :)

I think you should look into selfdetermination instead of forcing people to stay part of the Russian Empire. If Chenya wants independance LET THEM. If the Kurrilllyske Islands want to return to Japan LET THEM. If that want to stay with the Russian Federation then LET THEM.

[Pete]

To add a link go [ URL=<thelink> ] <Text> [ /URL ]

Just remove the spaces and where ,<thelink> is put the link (with out the triangle brackets) adn the name of the link goes in <TEXT>

[Kapitan Andrey]

A-A-ARRR!!!! I'm mad!!! Feoric, supid-moron-idiot-dumb ass!!!

>Stupid idiot!!! Chechnya is been conquered by Russian Empire long time ago!!!<
>I'VE ALREADY SAID:" WE ARE NOT IMPERIALISTS!!!"<
And so what? If you don't know history go to school !!! (For the IDIOTS!!!)First there was Russian Empire, then Soviet Union, then Russian Feuderation!!! (If IDIOT didn't understood...) Long time moved from Conquering Chechnya to our time!!!

>...you ARE imperialist. <
Hmm...You, bastard, making me feel myself an imperialist!...lol...

>Shut up! I didn't said that!!! There are loyal Chechens!!!
you said one day chechens are
Today HE/SHE(Chechen) is smiling to you...second day HE is bandit-terrorist and SHE is setting a bomb near market place!!! <
You are an IDIOT again...hmm...so let's begin our lesson mr.MORON!!!
Some of them are FUCKEN OUT by all this war, they want to work and live in peace!!!
But there is a part of Chechens,they are IDIDTS like you! They want to searate from Russia BY FORCE!!! It's unuseful!!! There are also nonChechen-TERRORISTS...arabs,negers,FUCKING-ukrainian snipers!!!
...understood anything?

[Kapitan Andrey]

You didn't understood anything...I'm tired to speak with you! :sad:

[kylie]

There are also nonChechen-TERRORISTS...arabs,negers,FUCKING-ukrainian snipers!!!


are you for real? if you are, then uh...

(Edited by feoric at 12:44 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)

[Pete]

can you link me to a site about that please? *intently interested!*

[Alexius Comnenus]

I can see a lot of strong debate ongoing here so I might post as well.

My opinion:Independent Chechnya
-Withdrawal of Russian forces within 2 years
-Special ties with Russia(financial,cultural,etc)
-Self-determination
-Dismantling of any terorist group acting on its soil

One thing I saw.Puerto Rico should be given independence(there is an interesting article in National Geographic this month)

"Freedom is not given,it's always taken with blood and pain"

[Kapitan Andrey]

CrazyPete...sorry, but I don't know where to get it!

Alexius Comnenus...Hmm...Where are you from to speak this way? Are you a Greek?

>Puerto Rico should be given independence<
:) ...yea!

About my message from 4th of March:

The real my opinion is that 1,3,6 and 7 my "conditions" MUST be done!!!
About 2,4,5...I don't care of them!
I'm not support bask-terrorists!!!
I support Indonesian occupation of East Timor!!!
4th...huh...they won't give them freedom anyway!

[Alexius Comnenus]

Kapitan wht a clever boy!

Yes I am Greek(how did you imagined that?)

[Pete]

I agree with Comneus's points...except specail ties. If a people want to be free, they go solo.

[sapunkaa]

Sorry Capitain Andrey!
But Russia is imperialistic if she doesnt gibe chechnya the right to be independent!
Its the same like in israel. Israel ist to imperialisitc if she doenst give the palastinians the right to be independent. but there is something else. israel is very very very little, so they wont give it fast to the palastinians, because the land will be even smaller. but really, dont you see hopw big russia is? whats the problem?? in israel are too terrorists who killed thousands of people but they too dont have the right to occupate palestine.

give chechnya the right to be independent!
solidarity with the people in chechnya and palestine!

[Azygous]

The Chechnyans should be free if they want to be free.

[Zelena Hracka]

Quote: from Azygous on 5:32 am on Mar. 12, 2003
The Chechnyans should be free if they want to be free.

So do the Kurds of Turkey, but the Americans are labelling them as bloody terrorists that have to be stopped.

We have to keep our crucial allies, don't we?

[Kapitan Andrey]

Alexius Comnenus...Hey!..I respected your opinion and you! And what did you answered me!? :confused:

"Kapitan wht a clever boy"
R-r-r-r...Now I'm not respect you!!!:angry:

Azygous,sapunkaa Fuck all of you idiots!!!
>Sorry Capitain Andrey! <
Fuckin' IDIOT!!! I've already said: write it as Kapitan!!!

>but really, dont you see how big russia is?<
Fuck you moron!!! I knew it without you!!! And so...let everebody take part of Russia!? FUCK YOU!!!!!

>solidarity with the people in chechnya and palestine!< AND >The Chechnyans should be free if they want to be free.< Big final... FUCK YOU!!!

[Larissa]

I know very little about Chechenya, but somewehre I heard (despite the terrorist acts) they resembled Che's guerrilla, is this so?

......

I found this article "Chechens claim Russians blow up corpses", what do you think about it?
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/03/13/...pses/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/03/13/chechen_corpses/index.html)

[Just Joe]

i doubt the Chechens would like Che. they are mainly Islamic Fundamentalists. nevertheless, they still have a right to a homeland that was stolen off them by Russian imperialists.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...
>they still have a right to a homeland that was stolen off them by Russian imperialists<
Shut up, you stupid dumb ass!!! Their "right to a homeland" wasn't ever stolen!!! They were "only" conquered!!!

Larissa...No, this is false! F**ing terrorists use very violent methods of war, they kill alot of innocents! They are Nacists(anti-Russian)!!!
Everething is could be the same is only stile of arabian-terrorist Hattab...he weared beard and beret...that is all...he's been killed by our FSB agent!

[Just Joe]

conquered means stole, kaptain. it is called imperialism or even colonialism.

and you are a racist, kaptain. although like a lot of words, you probobly don't know the meaning of it. its probobly your english which isn't your fault, but youre still a complete bufoon.

[Larissa]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 3:05 am on Mar. 14, 2003
Just Joe...
>they still have a right to a homeland that was stolen off them by Russian imperialists<
Shut up, you stupid dumb ass!!! Their "right to a homeland" wasn't ever stolen!!! They were "only" conquered!!!

Larissa...No, this is false! F**ing terrorists use very violent methods of war, they kill alot of innocents! They are Nacists(anti-Russian)!!!
Everething is could be the same is only stile of arabian-terrorist Hattab...he weared beard and beret...that is all...he's been killed by our FSB agent!

Ok, I see.

[Pete]

JustJoe, your avatar resembles Ciaran's. I keep thinking he is the one saying the disgracefully comments. Clean your vocab, and the rest of us may learn something from Kapitan.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Shit...this is mistake...two messages...who cares!?

(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 6:45 am on Mar. 15, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Larissa...your welcome! :)

CrazyPete...Yea!!! Right!!!
Damn it!!! How did you became a comandante so fast !? Did you asked Malte to promote you!?

Just Joe...using avatar of another man calls PLAGIARISM,dumb ass!!!

>and you are a racist<
Fuck you, moron! I'm not!

>bufoon<
I'm really don't know what is it means, but I always can answer you - Fuck off, bith!!!

[Just Joe]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:47 am on Mar. 15, 2003
JustJoe, your avatar resembles Ciaran's. I keep thinking he is the one saying the disgracefully comments. Clean your vocab, and the rest of us may learn something from Kapitan.


learn? learn what? how to act like a fuckwit 101?

[Just Joe]

Just Joe...using avatar of another man calls PLAGIARISM,dumb ass!!!

considering were both Republican Socialists, and the starry plough has long been a symbol of the Irish labour movement, i'd say the chances of us having similar avatars are high. i'll change it just for my slow witted Russian comrade though.

>and you are a racist<
Fuck you, moron! I'm not!

you said, "negers" in the other post. knowing your literary idiocy, i assumed you meant to say ni**ers as in the common insult for dark skinned people. correct me if i'm wrong and i'll apologise for the comment.

>bufoon<
I'm really don't know what is it means, but I always can answer you - Fuck off, bith!!!

ordinarily, i'd of left this 'debate' posts ago. but your moronic gibberish just makes me laugh so much, i feel obliged to continue replying.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Just Joe...
>you said, "negers" in the other post. knowing your literary idiocy, i assumed you meant to say ni**ers as in the common insult for dark skinned people. correct me if i'm wrong and i'll apologise for the comment.<
When they making me VERY ANGRY I call them NEGERS!!! But in other situations I call them just "black-man" or something near...

>i'd of left this 'debate' posts ago<
Go on! I'm not holding you here!

[Pete]

YOU TWO STOP FLAMING EACHOTHER. JOE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY THEN FUCK OFF. WE CAN LEARN FROM WHAT ANDREY IS SAYING BY READING WHAT HE TYPES. ENGLISH IS NOT HIS FIRST LANGAUGE, AND I BET YOU CANNOT CYPHER CYRILLIC OR UNDERSTAND THE SOUNDS YOU GET FROM IT IF YOU CAN SO LAY OFF HIM. IF YOU STOP FLAMING COMRADE ANDREY HE WILL NOT HAVE THE PRESSURE OF AN ASSHOLE BREATHING DOWN HIS NECK. ANDREY YOU SHOULD IGNORE HIM AND TRY TO FOCUS ON YOUR INFO FOR THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO LEARN

And as for me being a commadante, that comes from how many posts I have (1000+) because I spent so much damn time here.

[mentalbunny]

I'd just like to share my point of view. If people don't want to be governed by an outside body then I think that's fine and Russia's treatment of the Chechens is appaling. I don't like the idea of lots of little states, I'm all for one world-wide community with no state boundaries, although obviously there are problems with this and some areas will be too densely populated while others, like more arid parts of the world for example, will be empty.

Anyway, what's the big deal? Why can't Chechnya be seperate?

[Just Joe]

crazypete, do you have the ability to read what Andrey says? the man claims to support Che Guevara, but is anti-Socialist, is anti-working class, is pro-imperialism and is a racist. if you want to learn from this man, then thats up to you. but don't insult my intelligence pretending i should actually take what he says seriously. he can speak English well enough to flame just about everyone who disagress with him. hes admited in the last post he likes to sometimes call black people 'negers' when he gets angry. do you take this man seriously?

[Pete]

Joe. you are flaming him STOP IT. I am trying to figure out what he is saying. What his message is. It is confused in all of his "fuck you bastard" that are directed at you.

Andrey write your complete opinion, and all you know with out any profanity so we can read your thoughts.

[mentalbunny]

Please could someone give me a bried history about the struggle for independence and also why Russians don't want to let go. It would be much appreciated.

(oh and shouldn't this thread be in a different forum, like politics or something?)

(Edited by mentalbunny at 5:29 pm on Mar. 17, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

CrazyPete...thanks, but it doesn't worked!!!This irish moron continues his "flamings"!!!

mentalbunny...
Yoy said ->struggle for independence <-

Of course everething started because of it, but soon this conflict stopped to be a "War for freedom"!!! It became a "War for money"(by the way,by each side!) for bloody money !!!

We can't just get out of there because Chechnya could became a HIVE OF INTERNATIONAL-TERRORISTS!!!

j j...>the man claims to support Che Guevara<
I'm not "claims", I SUPPORT!!!

>but is anti-Socialist<
no I'm not!

>is anti-working class<
Are you dumb!? I said that abour damn-stupid proletariat of 1917-192* years...

>is pro-imperialism and is a racist<
FUCK YOU, irish moron!!!

[Pete]

>is anti-working class<
Are you dumb!? I said that abour damn-stupid proletariat of 1917-192* years...

>is pro-imperialism and is a racist<
FUCK YOU, irish moron!!!

Andrey, thanks for the info, but if you keep flaming Joe he will only flame back SMARTEN UP ASWELL.

[Kapitan Andrey]

CrazyPete...I just can't leave alone message witch mocking me!!!

[Pete]

Try. If you do it, he will look the fool to mock you if you show the respect not to. And visa versa.

[Just Joe]

crazypete, i can't figure out if your blind, or just having trouble disecting andreys posts.

do you need anymore proof of this mans intelligence other than looking at his responce to my accusation of imperialism and racism?

"FUCK YOU, irish moron!!!"

and don't flatter yourself andrey into thinking this is a flame war. i wouldn't waste my time. i find it funny to see your idiotic responces; nothing more.

[Kapitan Andrey]

"FUCK YOU, irish moron!!!"

Of course I said that, because you are a blind!!!
I've said that I'm not racist and imperialist for 100000...times!!!

[Just Joe]

the irony.

[Pete]

*sigh* Some of the terms he uses may be vague. It is not his first langauge joe. I'm sure if you tried to speak a forgien language you would have troubling getting your point across. I will try no more. Have fun boys.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Guys!!! You are SO fast!!! Or you got fast computers!?

Only 1-2 minutes passed...and you answered!!!
By the way, are of you(both) use home computers, or you use Internet on your work?

[Pete]

I work at a retail store so I walk around making stuff look pretty. I bought myself a computer for when I go away to universtiy in 5 months. So I am at home.

[mentalbunny]

Can anyone give me some real info on chechnya?

[kylie]

the site ive learnt the most about chechnya at is http://www.chechnyanews.com/

though i doubt captain andrey will like it much.

[mentalbunny]

#Moderation Mode

Just trying out my new toys! I've wanted to move this for ages...

Moved here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=3196)

[Kapitan Andrey]

Damn you, >mentalbunny<!!!

What have you done!? What's the point of replacing this forum!?


feoric...of course I don't like it!!! This site supports separatists-terrorists!!! They also call them >rebels< they are not rebels they are not even HUMANS!!!

Those "rebels" who were deceived by terrorists in first chechen war, has changed their side already! Now they are serving to us in chechen militia and (most skilled in) "OMON".
Now we are fighting against the SEWERS OF MANKIND(terrorist,ruso-phobs and mercenaries)!!!

[kylie]

feoric...of course I don't like it!!! This site supports separatists-terrorists!!! They also call them >rebels< they are not rebels they are not even HUMANS!!!
so your arguement is that because they oppose russias imperialistic wishes, they are not human?

Now we are fighting against the SEWERS OF MANKIND(terrorist,ruso-phobs and mercenaries)!!!
almost as if you think its YOU who is fighting for your freedom.

[Kapitan Andrey]

feoric...I see you are another separatistic dumbass!!!

Well...They are not humans because they kill mour soliders not only by rifles...ect. Those beasts killing our soliders by knifes!!! They cut them parts of their bodies!!! Well!? Are you happy to hear that!?

Who said that we are fighting for freedom!? No, we are fighting for Integrity of Russian Federation!!!

[Appex]

ENDLESS GENOCIDE AT CAUCASUS
AND
CHECHEN TRAGEDY

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/endless_...cide-index.html (http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/endless_genocide-index.html)

FIRE DANCE OF NGOS IN CAUCASUS

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/Humanita...xperiences.html (http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/Humanitarian_Experiences.html)

Council of Europe report on the conflict in Chechya
http://www.kafkas.org.tr/english/Ajans/200...n%20Chechya.htm (http://www.kafkas.org.tr/english/Ajans/2002/subat/07.02.2002_Council%20of%20Europe%20report%20on%20t he%20conflict%20in%20Chechya.htm)


WAR TORN CHECHNYA

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/ajans/War_torn_Chechnya.htm

You can look this web site for information about Chechen-Russian Problem

[Kapitan Andrey]

I can't reach your sites, but I'm sure that it is pro-separatistic!!!

[Appex]

you must be neutral, all the Chechens are not terrorist and I think both sides have faults. its ok

[Kapitan Andrey]

Stupid! I'm by OUR side!!! About faults you are right, but terrorists MUST DIE!!!

P.S:Work with your English!

[Appex]

Yes, terrorists must die, both Russian terrorists and both Chechen terrorists.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/grozny/

http://www.peaceinchechnya.org/

http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/vLCE/Ru...hnya&Expandview (http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/vLCE/Russian%2BFed.%2B-%2BChechnya?OpenDocument&StartKey=Russian%2BFed.%2B-%2BChechnya&Expandview)


(Edited by Appex at 4:43 pm on Mar. 29, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

...get lost with your links!

WE HAVEN'T TERRORISTS!!! THERE ARE ONLY CHECHEN TERRORISTS and MERCENARIES-TERRORISTS!!!

[Kapitan Andrey]

Referendun is finished, they need a new government!!! Loyal and peaceful Chechens want to live in peace with Russians!!!

[Just Joe]

Theres already been a thread on this Andrey. This "refferendum" really is for show. I gave the example of how Irish people voted for the Good Friday Agreement, but still 85% of the free state want re-unification. The chechens want Russian soldiers to stop coming into there towns and raping there women and blowing up there homes. They see this vote as the only way to stop this. Russian imperialism will eventually be defeated in Chechnya.

Mods note I haven't flamed once in this thread and am expecting Andrey to do the same.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Quote: from Just Joe on 12:33 pm on April 3, 2003
The chechens want Russian soldiers to raping their women...

Sounds funny! This isn't true, even their propaganda didn't told that!!!


Quote: from Just Joe

Mods note I haven't flamed once in this thread and am expecting Andrey to do the same.

Don't worry, be happy!

About blowing up the houses:

HA!!! When separatists-terrorists came to their house to live some-time, or to heal, or to shot down the helicopter everething is "fine" for civilians, they are silent, but when our solides came to ask them:" Who was it, do you remember them..." They are starting to SHOUT:" GET OUT, WHY DID YOU CAME TO ME!? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!"

So we HAVE TO crush this house! Where is garanty, that they(terrorists) willn't do the same action again!?

[Kapitan Andrey]

Fresh(bloody) news...

Civilian bus were blown up by the radio-mine!!!

8 !!!CHECHEN!!!(JJ, that's for you!) civilians died, 28 wounded, 11 of them is near to die...

3 women, 2 kids, 2 men...other body were founded by PARTS...there are LAKES OF BLOOD...

This action made another part of Chechen people to hate "separatists-terrorists-mercenaries"!!!


[sarcasm]So, jj, what do you tell me now!? I guess:

1)" It was an acident, this mine was placed to use against Russian-occupants-imperialists-ect..."
2)" This is untrue, I don't belive you, you are ~lieing~, separatists are good and russians are bad, russians must go away or die, ect..."
3)" This is provocation! Russians did it, they want to kill all the Chechens!!!
4) (another answer in your stile!)

If you choose 1st, you will be right...by part, because colonn of russian cars and APC's passed this place several minutes before!

(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 6:09 am on April 4, 2003)

[kylie]

kapitan andrey you support the russian imperialistic actions towards chechyna yes?
Stupid! I'm by OUR side!!!
well seeing as how imperialism is a derivative of capitalism, you must therefore support capitalism too right?

P.S:Work with your English
i dont think you are in a position to be criticising others on their english.

[kylie]

About blowing up the houses:

HA!!! When separatists-terrorists came to their house to live some-time, or to heal, or to shot down the helicopter everething is "fine" for civilians, they are silent, but when our solides came to ask them:" Who was it, do you remember them..." They are starting to SHOUT:" GET OUT, WHY DID YOU CAME TO ME!? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!"

So we HAVE TO crush this house! Where is garanty, that they(terrorists) willn't do the same action again!?


by that logic we should have dropped a nuclear bomb on germany after defeating hitler.

Sounds funny!
hillarious.

Fresh(bloody) news...
the fact that they were willing to risk killing their own people(assuming this report is true) shows how desperate they are.

(Edited by feoric at 8:59 am on April 4, 2003)

[Just Joe]

Sounds funny! This isn't true, even their propaganda didn't told that!!!

Just two links to sites about Russian war crimes. One documenting rape:-

http://www.muslims.org/webnews/messages/105.html
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/03/chech0330.htm

HA!!! When separatists-terrorists came to their house to live some-time, or to heal, or to shot down the helicopter everething is "fine" for civilians, they are silent, but when our solides came to ask them:" Who was it, do you remember them..." They are starting to SHOUT:" GET OUT, WHY DID YOU CAME TO ME!? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!"

So we HAVE TO crush this house!

ever wonder why the people don't co-operate with the Russians? because they don't want them their.

I struggled to understand youre second post but I'd imagine that act was a miscalculated one and one that I'd condemn.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Kaptain Andrey I myself have the Russian nationality too and spent part of my childhood in Moscow and other parts of the USSR.

I must admit that I don't know much about the war in Chechnya.

But if the Chechnyans are oppressed by Russian Imperialism, they have every right to fight them. (If it's the case)

But on the other hand, it could also be a sort of "freedomfight" like in Afganistan.

Where the largest of the population did support Communism, but still the anti-soviets claimed to be fighting for the freedom of Afganistan. And fighting a "communist-invasion", while a large part of the Soviet program in Afganistan consisted of building Afganistan rapidly up.

So my support depends on what sort of case it is.

I think it's both, so I do support the libertian leftist groups and not the religious forces.

And yes, Russia is now hard working to built up it's Imperium, they have to.

If they don't get greater incomes, nationalism, crime, social problems will raise and eventually Russia will fall apart.

So they have 2 choices, building a larger Imperium and income or getting back to Communism and bet the rich influental bastards don't want communism back.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Quote: from Just Joe on 12:52 pm on April 4, 2003
ever wonder why the people don't co-operate with the Russians? because they don't want them their
Did you read my second post, moron?


Quote: from Just Joe on 12:52 pm on April 4, 2003
I struggled to understand youre second post but I'd imagine that act was a miscalculated one and one that I'd condemn.


If you didn't understood that, than you are IDIOT!!! I said that terrorist made action against innocent CHECHENS!!!

feoric...>by that logic we should have dropped a nuclear bomb on germany after defeating hitler.<
IDIOT!!! MORON!!! FOOL!!! un-logican!!!
Wolkssturm ended soon after the defeat of Germany!!!


CCCP...Ha! So why did you moved to Holland? You don't love RODINA!?!?!? Can you speak Russian?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

We moved because we believe that we had better chances in Holland than in Russia.

I could speak Russian, but my parents still can.

[El Barbudo]

How is going communist party in Russia? I heard he's strong, but are there any chance so Russia can get communist again?

[Kapitan Andrey]

CCCP...chances? What chances?


El Barbudo...may be they are strong now(near to 1/4 of Russia support them)...
BUT THEY SHALL NEVER COME BACK!!!

[apathy maybe]

I must admit I have not read all the posts (too many) but I do have one thing to say.
SELF DETERMINATION NOW.
apparently the Russians don't want an independent Chechnya for the same reason the Turks don't want an independent Kurdistian. Oil.

[Kapitan Andrey]

>apparently the Russians don't want an independent Chechnya for the same reason the Turks don't want an independent Kurdistian. Oil.<

Wrong! There are SUCH a LITTLE oil in Chechnya...this is unrentable to extract it!!!
We are only arfaid of NEW NEST OF TERRORISM!!!

[apathy maybe]

There is an oil and gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Chechnya. With out control over it Russia could not control the flow. Hence they ignored the decleration of independence by the Chechyans in December 1991.

http://www.covertaction.org/full_text_69_03.htm
http://www.amina.com/article/wha_oil.html
http://www.amina.com/article/wha_oil.html
http://www.creativeresistance.ca/world-awa...ood-for-oil.htm (http://www.creativeresistance.ca/world-awareness/2002-june01-chechnya-more-blood-for-oil.htm)

[Kapitan Andrey]

>pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Chechnya<
A-a-a!!! You should remind me before!..OF COURSE!!!

THIS IS OUR TERRITORY, THIS IS OUR ECONOMY, THIS IS RESOURCES!!!

Kurdistan wasn't ever been tUrkish!!! This isn't their land, this is not their resources!!!

[apathy maybe]

Let me see umm, The Ottoman Turks were in all of the Middle East right up until the end of WWI at which point the British and French split the Empire in such away that no one minority was a majority in any of the mandates. Turkey thus, had Kurds as did Iraq and others. With the break up of the USSR in December 1991, the various republics were told to grab all the independence they could get. Many imediantly declered themselves independent including Georgia, Armenia and Ukraine. And Chechnya (in Nov 1991 aparently).
In the 19th century, the czars ordered the annexation of both Chechnya and Ingushetia to the Russian empire. During the seven decades of Soviet rule, there were no notable rebellions in the region, but when the USSR began to disintegrate in 1991, the Chechens sought autonomy, first from Ingushetia, and later on complete independence. In 1991, Gen. Dohar Dudayev declared Chechen independence, dissolved Parliament, held elections, and was proclaimed the winner.
Russia's economy doesn't come into it. Russia is a large country with large minreral wealth.


http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/dr...its/4_15/2.html (http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/4_15/2.html)
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5554.cfm
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/1999/09/...0921115518.html (http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/1999/09/F.RU.990921115518.html)

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p01s02-woiq.html

http://www.ukraine.com/forums/showthread.p...3?threadid=4613 (http://www.ukraine.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=4613)
http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/814.cfm
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chechnya1.html
http://www.proutworld.org/features/chechnya.htm

[Kapitan Andrey]

I haven't much time to look at your "sites".

...All the same...


Shit, I've already said that before:" That was eLtsin's fault!!! I hate him!!!"
...and:"...now we must finish the "job", because we don't want to get a "NEW TERRORISTS NEST from "independent" Chechnya!!!"

[apathy maybe]

It may well have been Yeltsin's fault, but that doesn't detract from the fact that Chechnya should be independent if the people of Chechnya (not of Russia as a whole) want it.
The sites were only there for reference, what I was saying stands on its own.

[Kapitan Andrey]

...Referendum has shown us, hat THEY NEED US TO RE-BUILD THEIR HOME, ECONOMY...

Peaceful Chechens want to WORK for their future with Russia!!!

[MARX MAN]

This is all crap, if every nationality in the world wanted a separate state to themselves it just wouldnt work!!! Anyway if the CIA wasnt supporting the "Sepritist" movment in chechnya the rebels wouldnt be able fire a single shot. They are supporting them to keep Moskow in line, as in not going to far in there anti-american stance. And all this shit about "WAR CRIMES" so on, well think of it this way, they do the same things sometimes worse!!! Most of the Chechen population wants to live peacefully with the Russians. the media keeps making a fuss about what goes on in there....... PROPEGANDA

[Kapitan Andrey]

What's wrong with your vocabulary!?

"Sepritist"-wrong.
"Separatist"-right.

PROPEGANDA-wrong.
PROPAGANDA-right.


CIA...I belive in this...FUKCKING yankee know one thing:

"The thing, that bad for us, is good for Russia.
The thing that bad for Russia, is good for us."

I hate them...I remember the news( 3-4 months ago) about destroyed separatist band..."They were dressed in nato's uniform and with their ammunition...except weapons."

[Kapitan Andrey]

Another group of chechen-separatist(I stress-only chechens!) surrendered to federal forces!

It shows us, that mind reaches them - THEY NEED TO WORK!!! BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO LIVE!!!

[Kapitan Andrey]

People, say something...don't be so apolitical!!!

[Gaddafi]

Of course I am horrified too to hear of terrorist attacks on innocent people (CIVILIANS) in the Russian Federation by the Chechen Mujahadin (although that incident in Moscow were hundreds died as a result of nerve gas was the fault of two factors, the Rusian military and lack of planning. Although the acts of the Mujahadin are inexcusable and I do sympathize, but has not the Russian army committed attrocities gaint many Chechen civilians as well? I mean a entire people would not be willing to throw away their lives and kill innocent peopleif they have not experienced hardship and lost loved ones themselves, look at Palestine and Northern Ireland as good examples! I mean has not the city of Grozny beenreduced to rubble? However please do not misunderstand what I am saying, I do not at all condone the Chechen Mujahadin, but as we all know there are of course two sides to all sad stories!

[Kapitan Andrey]

Yea-yea-yea...I can undestand you...

...As I long time ago said:

"All this started from our first (mother-fucker-)president >eltsin<...He ordered to sturm Grozniy..."

Time passed, people of Chechnya saw what are those "freedom fighters" doing to innocents...SLAVE TRAIDING...KILLINGS...DISTATERS...RAPEINGS...(in 2,5 years of independence)...

Another aspect...we left Chechnya, so?! There must be kind'a peace!!! But no! They aren't "freedom fighters", they are bandits and terrorists!!! They attacked Budyonovsk on our territory...captured hospital...killed hundreeds...

SO!? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO!?

Only fight them!!! But this is wery hard, because yankee's support terrorists!!!

[apathy maybe]

Kapitan Andrey it is not that people are apolitical but really the issue has been quite throughly discussed in this thread.
But I will put my view again, if the Chechens want independence (through a Referendum or whatever) they should get it else if they don't, why then let them stay with Russia. Economies don't come into it.

[truthaddict11]

Andrey you say Chechnya because so conquered by Russia its rightfully yours? Does that mean because the US has conquered so much that it justifies their genocide or because Israel "conquered" Palestine its ok what happens to them. I am sure all that Iraqi oil is america's now since we conquered them.
I SUPPORT CHECHNIAN INDEPENDENCE

you are nothing but a fool hardly a leftist

[Kapitan Andrey]

truthaddict11...Then FUCK OFF FROMHERE!!!

apathy maybe...I can tell you again...
People want independence...OK...they need money to rebuilt everething...OK...terrorist organisations offer to give them money for placeing their bases in Chechnya...SO WE GOT ANOTHER TERRORIST STATE!!!

[truthaddict11]

first off dont degrade yourself with your flamming serious buddy its really fucking annoying. your exclamation not to give the Chechnians thier own self determination is stupid by saying that then you must also defend what anti-arab Zionists are doing in Palestine. Well they will create a "terrorist state" all because of some fundie wackos like the Hamas or Islamic Jihad. A support for a free Chechnya is not a support of terrorism.
You will now probally bring up the theater incident now, well guess what? All those hostages died because of the Russian used of gas from your so called "leader" Putin. The Rebels had only killed 2 up till then, But I guess it all cops practice to "shoot first and ask questions later eh?"

[Urban Rubble]

Kapitan Andrey,

I find it funny you are giving people English lessons. If you're going to tell people how to speak maybe you should learn this : It's rebuild, not rebuilt. It's organization not organisation. It's placing, not placeing. It's not, "Kurdistan wasn't ever been tUrkish" it's "Kudistan hasn't ever been Turkish".

I could go on with more but I think you get the point. Don't tell someone how to speak when you can't do it yourself.

[Kapitan Andrey]

...another terract against innocents!!!

21 or 40 people died...70 wounded...and you still call them "freedom fighters"!?

2/3 of dead and wounded people are just innocent civilians!!!

They arn't even people...they are bloodlusty beasts-terrorists!!!

[mentalbunny]

Urban Rubble, in english is it organisation, in American it is organization. You are clearly american. Don't tell KA to speak american, it is the language of imperialism! (Jokes, don't worrry!).

(Edited by mentalbunny at 4:03 pm on May 13, 2003)

[chamo]

Do you ever stop to question the terrorists motives? Their families, husbands, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, parents, have been killed by the Russian army. If all your family was wiped out because of imperialism wouldn't you think about doing something to the country that did this to you? They were prepared to die for their independance, their families had died for nothing, they could at least make a stand. As one Chechnyan woman rebel put it, "We die either here or in Chechnya."

However, the tactics were not completely correct, an "Our Home is Russia" conferance would have been a better target.

After all the Chechnyans were gassed and sleeping in the theatre the Russian special ops, whenever they saw one of the female rebels, shouted out "got the *****" and shot her in her sleep.

It was most likely brought on because The World had forgotten the war, no-one seemed to care how many died in the conflict. They have their publicity now, happy?

[NeedForRevolution]

Quote: from happyguy on 5:27 pm on May 13, 2003
Do you ever stop to question the terrorists motives? Their families, husbands, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, parents, have been killed by the Russian army. If all your family was wiped out because of imperialism wouldn't you think about doing something to the country that did this to you? They were prepared to die for their independance, their families had died for nothing, they could at least make a stand. As one Chechnyan woman rebel put it, "We die either here or in Chechnya."

However, the tactics were not completely correct, an "Our Home is Russia" conferance would have been a better target.

After all the Chechnyans were gassed and sleeping in the theatre the Russian special ops, whenever they saw one of the female rebels, shouted out "got the *****" and shot her in her sleep.

It was most likely brought on because The World had forgotten the war, no-one seemed to care how many died in the conflict. They have their publicity now, happy?


i have to agree with happy terrorism against russian civilians is not correct but terrorism of the russian army isnt either........

[chamo]

"I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it." - russian soldier

Truly sickening.

"Without atrocities, we'll get nowhere in Chechnya. We have to be cruel to them. Otherwise, we'll achieve nothing." - 21-year-old russian soldier

Stupid, attrocities brings terrorism to Russia.

"The easiest way is to heat your bayonet over charcoal, and when it's red-hot, to put it on their (Chechen) bodies, or stab them slowly. You need to make sure they feel as much pain as possible. The main thing is to have them (Chechens) die slowly. You don't want them to die fast, because a fast death is an easy death. They should get the full treatment. They should get what they deserve. On one hand it looks like an atrocity, but on the other hand, it's easy to get used to. I killed about nine people this way. I remember all of them." - Andrei, russian soldier

I have no idea how anyone could bring themselves to do this or talk about it.

"Our commander told us all the time, 'There's no such thing as a Chechen civilian.' " - russian conscript

Logically, neither is there such a thing as a Russian civilian.

"So there will be one Chechen less on the planet, so what? Who will cry for him?" - Gennady, 24-year-old russian paratrooper

His family.

"I would kill all the (Chechen) men I met during mopping-up operations. I didn't feel sorry for them one bit." - Boris, russian soldier

http://www.amina.com/war/rusquote.html

[truthaddict11]

Truly sickening quotes

[Kapitan Andrey]

Urban Rubble...get lost...RUBBLE!!!

happygay...well...

"I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it." - russian soldier

Cool!!!She deserved it!!! :biggrin:
Those women-snipers are shooting at the inguen, not head or body!!! Remember:"Violence generates violence!!!"

"Without atrocities, we'll get nowhere in Chechnya. We have to be cruel to them. Otherwise, we'll achieve nothing." - 21-year-old russian soldier

True! Even in 19th century there was tactic of "Burned land"...and we won that time!!!

"Our commander told us all the time, 'There's no such thing as a Chechen civilian.' " - russian conscript

If that is true...may be that commander lost his friend in battle...who knows...there can be reasons! But this is incorrect!!!

"The easiest way is to heat your bayonet over charcoal, and when it's red-hot, to put it on their (Chechen) bodies, or stab them slowly. You need to make sure they feel as much pain as possible. The main thing is to have them (Chechens) die slowly. You don't want them to die fast, because a fast death is an easy death. They should get the full treatment. They should get what they deserve. On one hand it looks like an atrocity, but on the other hand, it's easy to get used to. I killed about nine people this way. I remember all of them." - Andrei, russian soldier

1)...it wasn't me.
2) I can tell it again :"Violence generates violence!!!"
3)MAIN: It must be terrorist, not civilians...if they wasn't civilinans...I support Andrey!!!
4) ...Ha, I 1000...times told, that they CUT HEADS and GENITALIAS of our soliders...and making other VIOLENCE!!!:angry:

"So there will be one Chechen less on the planet, so what? Who will cry for him?" - Gennady, 24-year-old russian paratrooper
and
"I would kill all the (Chechen) men I met during mopping-up operations. I didn't feel sorry for them one bit." - Boris, russian soldier

Hmm...Disagree!!!

...from that terract already 59 people died:10 children, 17 women...repeating - 2/3 are INNOCENT CHECHENS!!!:angry:

Another terract happened yesterday...12 innocents died and 4 men was bodyguards of (I don't know ho to day...) "Gouverner"...

Terrorist-kamekazee was woman...fuckin' *****...:angry:

And you think all those terrorist-kamekazee deserved heaven!? NO!!! THEY DESERVED HELL...9th RING OF HELL!!! :angry:

[apathy maybe]

I am sorry Kapitan Andrey if you feel that the Chechens deserve what they get, you are right however, about Violence generating violence. The problem being who is going to stop first? The Russians started it when they didn't let the Chechens have inderpendence in 1991. Now both sides must stop, if the Russian army pulls out of Chechnya then the violence will stop. Then a proper plebisite can be held. But to stop violence in Chechnya as in Palistine the occuping army must pull out. I am sorry if you disagree with this.

[chamo]

Sorry to hear you are such a racist Andrey.

You don't seem to be able to see any resolve for the Chechen conflict. All you want is the blood of Chechens.

And then the Imperialist Russian Army commits atrocities against Chechen civilians which you support, and then you are angry when they fight back to stand up for themselves.

[truthaddict11]

if you think the chechneyans deserve that treatment Andrey then you are a lilttle twat
i suggest you leave here and come back when you pull your head out of your ass.

[chamo]

I propose that Kapitan Andrey joins the army and gets himself blown up in Chechnya.

Neither side is "right" in the conflict. However the army of a country that is part of the United Nations cannot commit mass attrocities and then try to justify it.

The only reason Chechens are blowing themselves up is because they have no other choice; they are going to be killed by the Russians anyway.


"I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it." - russian soldier

Cool!!!She deserved it!!!
Those women-snipers are shooting at the inguen, not head or body!!! Remember:"Violence generates violence!!!"


That female sniper was shooting at the Russian Army because they were making an incursion into a Chechen area; she was defending her home so that her family would not be slaughtered by the soldiers, she had no choice. No person, especially a woman, deserves to be ripped apart for that.

The only solution to the problem is for Russian troops to pull out of Chechnya and give the people their independance. Chechens are fighting and killing the Russians because they are making their imperialist military action on the people. Withdrawing from Chechnya would not leave a "hive of international terrorists", it would stop the terrorism and the fighting. The seperatists would have no need to keep fighting.

You are not a leftist, Andrey. You are an imperialist, a nationalist and a racist.

[kylie]

Kapitan Andrey, i cant believe what i just read you post. either grow up, or get off this forum. surely he can be banned for what hes said, chiak47 got banned for much less.
while i doubt theres much point, and will just generate another stupid post from this moron:

Cool!!!She deserved it!!!
Those women-snipers are shooting at the inguen, not head or body!!! Remember:"Violence generates violence!!!"
so you say its good this woman got killed, but then admit that violence will cause more violence. so you actually want the Chechens to attack you more?


4) ...Ha, I 1000...times told, that they CUT HEADS and GENITALIAS of our soliders...and making other VIOLENCE!!!
You have freely admitted that the Russian soldiers commit acts just as bad, if not worse.


Terrorist-kamekazee was woman...fuckin' *****...
so as well as being anationalist, imperialist supporter, and racist, you are also sexist?

[Kapitan Andrey]

apathy maybe...I can talk to you in such voice.

Russians started it when they didn't let the Chechens have inderpendence in 1991.

...We was afraid of MASS INDEPENGANCE of our republicks...

Russian army pulls out of Chechnya then the violence will stop.

...false! And you know it! They are terrorist! During their independance they attaked Russia several times!!! In Budenovsk and Krasnoznamensk!!! They are bandits-terrorists and sewers of EARTH!!! THEY MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

happyguy...moron! Am I said something racistic!?Fuckin'-IDIOT!!!

I propose that Kapitan Andrey joins the army and gets himself blown up in Chechnya.

Don't worry...I'll kill all those terrorists and then I will come to Belfast, find you and KILL YOU!!! :angry:

That female sniper was shooting at the Russian Army because they were making an incursion into a Chechen area; she was defending her home so that her family would not be slaughtered by the soldiers, she had no choice. No person, especially a woman, deserves to be ripped apart for that.

How do you know!? Did you participated!? I don't think so!!! So this is bullshit!!!

You are not a leftist, Andrey. You are an imperialist, a nationalist and a racist.
Fuck you, again! :angry:

truthaddict11...Fuck you too!

feoric...ha! Don't worry, I will survive, but you will suffer!!! :biggrin:

so you actually want the Chechens to attack you more?

Of course NO! But what do you suppost to do!? To set this ***** free!? MORON!!!

You have freely admitted that the Russian soldiers commit acts just as bad, if not worse.
They started to use tortures first!!!

you are also sexist?
No.

[Urban Rubble]

Kapitan Andrey, not only are you an imperialist, you are also a moron. You couldn't even think of a better insult to me than "Get lost... Rubble !!". Nice.

All I was doing was pointing out that your English is poor, so why try to critique others ? That's good you know a second language, I wish I could say the same. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that you are a moron. If you want people to listen, try replying with some facts instead of calling everyone who disagrees with you juvenile names.

[sin miedo]

Honestly, I don't know why anyone is bothering with this guy anymore. Everything that can be said has been said and he still refuses to debate without flaming, just drop it.

[chamo]

Kappie-tan Andrey

That female sniper was shooting at the Russian Army because they were making an incursion into a Chechen area; she was defending her home so that her family would not be slaughtered by the soldiers, she had no choice. No person, especially a woman, deserves to be ripped apart for that.

How you know!? Did you participated!? I don't think so!!! So this is bullshit!!!

I know that is what happens. What else would some Russian soldiers with armoured personnel carriers be doing operating in Chechnya? Looking for a hotel for the night, I don't think so.

happyguy...moron! Am I said something racistic!?Fuckin'-IDIOT!!

Yes, you are....

"...false! And you know it! They are terrorist! During their independance they attaked Russia several times!!! In Budenovsk and Krasnoznamensk!!! They are bandits-terrorists and sewers of EARTH!!! THEY MUST BE DESTROYED!!!" - You calling the Chechens terrorists, and sewers of the Earth who must be destroyed.

"fuck you you Irish pig" - I take particular offence to this.

"Today HE/SHE(Chechen) is smiling to you...second day HE is bandit-terrorist and SHE is setting a bomb near market place!!!
OR...
...on second night HE'll kill you!!! - Just replace "Chechen" with "Jew" and....

Fuck you, again!

truthaddict11...Fuck you too!

feoric...ha! Don't worry, I will survive, but you will suffer!!!

Such intelligent remarks.

Don't worry...I'll kill all those terrorists and then I will come to Belfast, find you and KILL YOU!!!

We happen to have terrorism here too caused by British Imperialism. It started once the British arrived, and finished in the South once they left the Free-State.

you are also sexist?
No.

So you say... yet you also state..

"set this ***** free!?"

"Terrorist-kamekazee was woman...fuckin' *****..."

"Those women-snipers are shooting at the inguen, not head or body!!! " - Likely to be an untrue generalisation.


Russian army pulls out of Chechnya then the violence will stop.

...false! And you know it! They are terrorist! During their independance they attaked Russia several times!!! In Budenovsk and Krasnoznamensk!!! They are bandits-terrorists and sewers of EARTH!!! THEY MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

Once the Army pulls out there is no need for the terror attacks and violence. Both sides can live in peace from each other.

You seem to be incapable of intelligent speech and debate and instead resort to constant flaming. Do you see anyone else doing it? You should feel embarassed; it's not big and it's not clever.

(Edited by happyguy at 1:04 pm on May 17, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

happygay

You calling the Chechens terrorists, and sewers of the Earth who must be destroyed.
You are SO stupid you even can't understand what I meen! I meen chechen terrorists must be destroyed !Not innocent chechens!

We happen to have terrorism here too caused by British Imperialism. It started once the British arrived, and finished in the South once they left the Free-State.
Are you scared!? Yes you are!!! :biggrin: Soon...I'll come to your house and SHOT you!!! I can't wait...I'M COMING!!! :biggrin:

about sexism: OK...then if you angry on woman how do you suppose to insult her? (Don't tell me, that you are very intellegent! I willn't belive you!)

Once the Army pulls out there is no need for the terror attacks and violence. Both sides can live in peace from each other.
You are moron!!! You didn't understood anything I told you!!! There is one way! Go away, from this topic!!!

sin miedo...because evereone are against me and Russia!!!

[chamo]

You are SO stupid you even can't understand what I meen! I meen chechen terrorists must be destroyed !Not innocent chechens!

Possibly because you don't, actually you refuse, to convey it in a leligable manner. You could have mentioned that you were refering to Chechen terrorists rather than calling me stupid.

Are you scared!? Yes you are!!! Soon...I'll come to your house and SHOT you!!! I can't wait...I'M COMING!!!

Yeah, I'm shivering in my boots because of an internet threat from a jackass kid in Russia who claims he will fly over to my country with his gun, find me and shoot me.

about sexism: OK...then if you angry on woman how do you suppose to insult her?

You dont' call her a "*****". It is an offensive slang word for a whore. Do you call ever men *****es?

You are moron!!! You didn't understood anything I told you!!! There is one way! Go away, from this topic!!!

I understand perfectly what you have said in this thread. Apart from all the flaming; I can't understand why you did that. I have my own views and I don't particularly see the current situation of military occupation and limited freedoms doing much for the Chechen or Russian people.
If you want the Russian troops to stay in Chechnya then you must accept and expect the fact that there will be terrorist attacks on your people.

It is my wish to be able to leave this topic because there is a lack of intelligent debate and comments from you. However, when I am insulted I feel I must respond.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Do you call ever men *****es?
No.

However, when I am insulted I feel I must respond.
Ha! Me too! :biggrin:

jackass kid
Now, my respond. You are little sucker-motherfucker! Are you happy now!? We can continue it forever, but sometimes I want to end it, but in that times you starting to insult me! :angry:

If you want the Russian troops to stay in Chechnya then you must accept and expect the fact that there will be terrorist attacks on your people.
They will attack us anyway...if you still think, that they are "freedom-fighters" you really didn't understood anything!


(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 2:24 am on May 22, 2003)

[chamo]

happygay

Don't tell me you're homophobic as well...

Do you call ever men *****es?
>No.

Then why women?

They will attack us anyway...if you still think, that they are "freedom-fighters" you really didn't understood anything!

What reason would they have?

[Urban Rubble]

How can you call yourself a communist ? You're such a blatant Imperialist that I'm starting to think you don't know the meaning of the word.