Originally posted by Comrade Marcel+Jul 13 2006, 08:37 AM--> (Comrade Marcel @ Jul 13 2006, 08:37 AM)
[email protected] 13 2006, 01:29 AM
l find it interesting that you can accuse PET of being an oppressive ruler yet your Sub name is a Neo-Maoist of sorts.
I'm glad you find it interesting, since you are a bit of a stupid fool, I'll try to explain it to you.
There is a huge difference between oppressing people in the name of capitalism and imperialism, and oppressing people in the name of socialism. I support the dictatorship of the proletarian and I support socialism. I want enemies of both to be oppressed.
Putting that aside, how "oppressive" Mao was is irrelevant to the conversation, since he was the leader of the Chinese people. The Chinese people should chose their destiny and overthrew Mao if he was oppressive to them. This is the First Nations, Quebec and Kanada and we are talking about those who are in the power structure here.
Mao Tse-Tung was much more oppressive than Trudeu was. He only oppressed Canadians for a week.
Actually, he oppressed mostly Quebec people during that week, but every single day he was in power was capitalism and colonialism; and therefor oppression towards many people, a continuation of oppression that has existed in Kanada since it's foundation. Not to mention imperialist domination of other nations.
It's really sad that you play into the bourgeois tradition of letting bourgeois politicians off the hook for oppression, but blame individuals when it comes to socialism. Very western chauvinist of you; not surprising since you sounded like a Kanadian/white nationalist from the get-go.
He eventually let those leftists go too.
Sure, after weeks of interrogation, finger printing, terrorizing, collecting data, etc. But that's not the point anyways. If they were any sort of threat, would they have been let go? Of course not. And by your own logic (forthcoming in this reply) it was the right thing for him to do, so why is it not right for the dictatorship of the proletarian? Or do you just like western capitalism better?
This is the typical "white man's burden" of imperialist country workers, and unfortunately, it even comes out of the poorer provinces (Quebec and Maritimes).
He also was the one that put through legislation on Universal Healthcare.
Actually, you need to get your facts and history straight. Health care was first established in New France (Quebec).
Generally Tommy Douglas gets credit for pioneering health care in Kanada; but realistically it was pushed forward by masses of people, including doctors, farmers, workers and even communists. These bourgeois politicians simply gave in to demands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#History
PET is definatly Canada's best Prime Minister.
PET is dead, so how can he be the best? If you are arguing he was the best, I'm certainly not going to disagree that he was good for a bourgoeis system. But WTF does that mean to communist?
It means this:http://www.firstfoot.com/Kulture/Images/dogshit.gif
BTW, have you ever even read anything by PET or on the national/Quebec question in Kanada? If not I can suggest some readings for you.
Also, this was Canada's first terrorist attack.
How was it a terrorist "attack"? A "terrorist attack" usually defines a non-demostic source as the instigator, well this attack took place inside Quebec/Kanada and was instigated by Quebecois, and therefor counts as a domestic terrorist act.
Also, it was not the first one. The first one was in 1969 by FLQ and the result was not martial law; martial law was a year later with the kidnappings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terro...tacks_in_Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_attacks_in_Canada)
Plus, I persynally wouldn't count it as terrorism because they went for military and political targets. However, they didn't have mass support so it was fringe. But in Marxist definitions it must be both a non legit target and have no mass support to be terrorism. Or do you just prefer Bush, CNN and Fox definitions?
What the fuck is Pierre Trudeau supposed to do? Sit by and do nothing or give into their demands?
Well, of course he wouldn't. But what does this have to do with approx. 1,000 leftists that had absolutely nothing to do with the FLQ, except maybe that some of them supported Quebec sovereignty?
If you think that then you truly sir, are an idiot.
Someone here is definately an idiot. :lol:
I am of the belief that you never negotiate with terrorists. Why? Because if you give into their demands, you tell all the other terrorists that they can win.
You sound like Harper. But guess what? Your full of shit. Quebec is it's own nation, so the issue is not as simple as that. We are talking about a nation oppressed and occupied for a long time. Arresting 1,000 others who had nothing to do with it is hardly going to stop fringe insurgencents though, is it?
Ireland was different because the acts of aggression were from the English and the Irish were retaliating. Bloody Sunday went from peaceful to bloody and all the blame lies on the British.
Of course it is different. Every situation is different, but to say that the aggression/oppression was not coming from Anglo-Kanada is pretty damn ignorant. Also, who cares where the blame should lie? The situation is quite simple, when a nation is not granted sovereignty then the people have a right to fight for it, by any means necessary.
And another thing man, Quebec is not, was not, and never will be an oppressed province since nearly every single fucking Prime Minister is from Quebec.
First of all, that's not even true. The majority of PM's through history where not French-Kanadian. Check for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_of_Canada
Second, even if it was true it means fuck all. The majority of oppressed nations have domestic born leaders but they sell out their nation to imperialism. Brain Mulroney was born in Quebec, WTF does that tell you?!?
If you want oppressed Canadians, go to the Maritimes, we still got it good, just not as good as everyone else.
This is of course true, but irrelevant, because Quebecors aren't Kanadians, they are Quebecois.
We the butt of the jokes in Canada because we're regarded as simple minded folk.
Many Martimers are simple minded folk. This doesn't mean that they are stupid or unintelligent, just that they are living in conditions that have them thinking a certain way, and the bourgeois want them this way. They are a massive source for the fish industry and also make up a large percentage of the armed forces/navy.
That man who the FLQ murdered, was not a threat to them, he had done them no physical harm and therefore should not have been killed. He was an innocent. Innocents are always off limits.
Innocent??? He was a fervent anti-nationalist and spokepersyn for the Anglo-bourgeois oppression. He was also the fucking minister of labour, inacting policies directly related to worker's oppression in Quebec! How you can call this scoundrel an innocent is beyond me. [/b]
For what ever reason you support Mao is pointless, you support Mao, who was ruthless, cruel, and oppressive to the extreme.
Quebec isn't an occupied nation, it was part of the fucking confederation. Quebec wouldn't survive as it's own country, it's to dependant on the rest of the country. There isn't a gigantic culture difference either because French is commonly spoken in New Brunswick and Ontario. I think you been smoking to much of that crystal meth, besides, we let Quebec decide if they wanted to seperate, they said no. So you lose!