Abuse by US troops

[WUOrevolt]

Warning: VERY GRAPHIC!!!

http://www.granma.cu/espanol/2004/irak-hor...rak-horror.html (http://www.granma.cu/espanol/2004/irak-horror/galeria-irak-horror.html)

[FULL METAL JACKET]

omg my heart just dropped. Is this the female prisoners that were raped by U.S soldiers?

[WUOrevolt]

Yup, and those are just the photos that we are able to see.

[Red Heretic]

I have never felt so much anger and hatred for the class enemy as I feel right now...

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Oh shit... Fucking sick bastards :angry:

[Goatse]

In number 4, why didn't she bite the fucker's cock off?

It would be funny if they'd injected themselves with AIDS the day before.

But seriously though, that's fucking sick. How come they've not been in the papers?

[Red Heretic]

I remember hearing a while back that additional photos had leaked... This isn't really that new as far as I know.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 3 2006, 11:12 PM
I remember hearing a while back that additional photos had leaked... This isn't really that new as far as I know.
Yep, but (in my opinion) these are far more shocking, and the new ones that had been leaked were supposed to be just "more of the same".

[bcbm]

Um, I'm pretty sure the ones with the guys in green fatigues aren't real.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 4 2006, 04:53 AM
Um, I'm pretty sure the ones with the guys in green fatigues aren't real.
Why?

[bcbm]

Because the supposed incidents occured in Abu Ghraib, where everyone wears desert colored fatigues. And they're pretty clearly not in a prison, but probably in a quarry. They're from a cheap porn film, is my bet.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Not all of 'em, they aren't.

[bcbm]

No, just the ones featuring the guys in green having stereotypical porn sex.

[Ian]

Pay attention to the news, you'd know that th blowjob one was from a russian porn site

[WUOrevolt]

Some might be fake, im not sure, but that stuff is still happening to the Iraqi women.

[LeftActivistMonjie246]

(Fake or not, it makes me sick enough to do more then just protest. :angry: )

[Global_Justice]

they are clearly not real.

i hate america, but these are faked. the uniforms arent real US uniforms, and why would they rape women out in the open? and how did GRANMA get hold of them?

[Simon]

Fucking bastards!

[Wiesty]

Yah i read about this a long time ago, it was a porno
(well at least the sex ones)

[TC]

I don't know if the green fatigue uniform pictures are real or staged (i wouldn't put that much into the notion that they're not in desert camo so they can't be real, the US uses private contractors and people from other government agencies to torture people, they don't wear US army uniforms).


However, Granma didn't get any of those photos itself, say they got them from The Washington Post, The New Yorker, CBS and Albasrah.net.

Of those, Albasrah.net (which is an indepedent Iraqi news site based in Basra with a pro-Resistance editorial stance), was the one that i figured was most likely to have fake photos.

I couldn't find those photos on it, however they posted a lot of photos of torture at abu ghraib here: http://albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow1.htm which have not been posted anywhere else to my knowlege.

Albasrah.net linked to an article by La Voz de Aztlan, which contained some of the rape photos with the green fatigued soldiers (not the ones out doors). That article can be found here: http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm (presumably, this is where Granma got the photos, though im' not sure why they were attributed to AlBasrah.net instead of La Voz de Aztlan for some reason) La Voz de Aztlan claimed to have gotten them from a Mexican American soldier and claimed that similar photos were later on a porn site.


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In any case, whether or not rape photos with the soldiers in the green outfits are real or fake (i don't know but i suspect they're fake because the walls don't match the color in the other abu ghraib photos so it looks like they were somewhere else), don't let the American troops off so easily because we know that the Defense Department in fact has photos of Iraqi women (and children) being raped at Abu Ghraib because when they allowed congress to view them, some US Senators gave reports on it to the media:

Republican Senator Lindsay Graham said:

The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.(this can be found here http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4945202/ and elsewhere)

The New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh who viewed the full set of photos told the ACLU:

Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out." (this can be found in a two hour video widely circulated online, just google the contents).

MSNBC reported after the story broke:

[Jim Miklaszewski, NBC Pentagon correspondent (voice-over)]: Rumsfeld then dropped a bomb, revealing that there were more photos, even videos depicting abuses far worse than what has been seen so far.

RUMSFELD: There are other photos that depict incidents of physical violence towards prisoners, acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel, and inhuman.

MIKLASZEWSKI: U.S. military officials tell NBC News, the unreleased images, show American soldiers severely beating one Iraqi prisoner to near death; apparently, raping an Iraqi female prisoner; acting inappropriately with a dead body; and Iraqi guards apparently videotaped by U.S. soldiers raping young boys.
(this can be found here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4945202/)



There was also a story on female prisoners at Abu Ghraib printed in the Guardian:

In December 2003, a woman prisoner inside the jail west of Baghdad managed to smuggle out a note. Its contents were so shocking that, at first, Amal Kadham Swadi and the other Iraqi women lawyers who had been trying to gain access to the US jail found them hard to believe.
The note claimed that US guards had been raping women detainees, who were, and are, in a small minority at Abu Ghraib. Several of the women were now pregnant, it added. The women had been forced to strip naked in front of men, it said. The note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame.

Late last year, Swadi, one of seven female lawyers now representing women detainees in Abu Ghraib, began to piece together a picture of systemic abuse and torture perpetrated by US guards against Iraqi women held in detention without charge. This was not only true of Abu Ghraib, she discovered, but was, as she put it, "happening all across Iraq".

In November last year, Swadi visited a woman detainee at a US military base at al-Kharkh, a former police compound in Baghdad. "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped," Swadi says. "Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.'"

Astonishingly, the secret inquiry launched by the US military in January, headed by Major General Antonio Taguba, has confirmed that the letter smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a woman known only as "Noor" was entirely and devastatingly accurate.... But among the 1,800 digital photographs taken by US guards inside Abu Ghraib there are, according to Taguba's report, images of a US military policeman "having sex" with an Iraqi woman.

Taguba discovered that guards have also videotaped and photographed naked female detainees. The Bush administration has refused to release other photographs of Iraqi women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts (although it has shown them to Congress) - ostensibly to prevent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq, but in reality, one suspects, to prevent further domestic embarrassment.

(this is part of much longer detailed article that can be found here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,3604,1220673,00.html )


Also i'm not sure if people are aware but Salon.com leaked 279 photos, most of which were unreleased (some of which seem to be what the Guardian article was refering to) that can be found here http://salon.com/news/abu_ghraib/2006/03/14/introduction/

In any case, the Pentagon has dropped its opposition to the ACLU court case ( http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/03/28/abu.ghraib/ ) so most of it will probably come out soon.



So in any case, my point is that, regardless of whether or not the green uniform photos are real, there are very similar genuine photographs from Abu Ghraib that members of the media and congress have seen but the general public as not, so while there hasn't been so much outrage relating to them as they've not been released, its publically known that that sort of thing routinely happens there.