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Janus
3rd March 2006, 02:28
Source: Associated Press


WASHINGTON - The Senate on Thursday gave its blessing to the renewal of the USA Patriot Act after adding new privacy protections designed to strike a better balance between civil liberties and the government's power to root out terrorists.

The 89-10 vote marked a bright spot in President Bush's troubled second term as his approval ratings dipped over the war in Iraq and his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina. Renewing the act, Bush and congressional Republicans said, was key to preventing more terror attacks in the United States.

Bush applauded the Senate for overcoming "partisan attempts to block its passage." The House was expected to approve the two-bill package next week and send it to the president, who would sign it before 16 provisions expire March 10.

"This bill will allow our law enforcement officials to continue to use the same tools against terrorists that are already used against drug dealers and other criminals, while safeguarding the civil liberties of the American people," Bush said in a statement from India.

Critics held their ground. A December filibuster led by Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., and joined by several libertarian-leaning Republicans, forced the Bush administration to agree to modest new curbs on the government's power to probe library, bank and other records.

Feingold insisted those new protections are cosmetic.

"Americans want to defeat terrorism and they want the basic character of this country to survive and prosper," he said. "They want both security and liberty, and unless we give them both — and we can if we try — we have failed."

Some lawmakers who voted for the package acknowledged deep reservations about the power it would grant to any president.

"Our support for the Patriot Act does not mean a blank check for the president," said Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who voted to pass the bill package. "What we tried to do on a bipartisan basis is have a better bill. It has been improved."

Not enough even for the bill's chief sponsor in the Senate, Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa. After prolonged negotiations produced a House-Senate compromise, Specter urged his colleagues to pass it even as he promised to introduce a new measure and hold hearings on how to fix it.

For now, Bush and his Republican allies savored a significant victory. For months, their tough-on-terror image has been tarnished by the revelation that the president authorized a secret domestic wiretapping program. The report in December gave Democrats ammunition for their charge that the Bush administration had run amok in its zeal to root out terrorists.

With the help of some Republicans, they blocked a vote on whether to renew the law before 16 provisions expired on Dec. 31.

GOP leaders were unable to break the gridlock, so Congress opted instead to extend the deadline twice while negotiations continued. In the end, the White House and the Republicans broke the stalemate by crafting a second measure that would curb some powers of law enforcement officials seeking information. Both will be sent as a package to Bush.

This second bill — in effect an amendment to the measure renewing the 16 provisions — would add new protections to the 2001 antiterror law in three areas. It would:

• Give recipients of court-approved subpoenas for information in terrorist investigations the right to challenge a requirement that they refrain from telling anyone.

• Eliminate a requirement that an individual provide the FBI with the name of a lawyer consulted about a National Security Letter, which is a demand for records issued by investigators.

• Clarify that most libraries are not subject to demands in those letters for information about suspected terrorists.

Passed in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the original Patriot Act expanded the government's surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers.

The renewal package would make 14 of 16 temporary provisions permanent and set four-year expirations on the others.

The renewal includes several measures not directly related to terrorism. One would make it harder for illicit labs to obtain ingredients for methamphetamine by requiring pharmacies to sell nonprescription cold medicines only from behind the counter.

Another focuses on port security, imposing new criminal sanctions and a death sentence in certain circumstances for placing a device or substance in U.S. waters that could damage vessels or cargo.

Feingold's chief ally, Sen. Robert C. Byrd (news, bio, voting record), D-W.Va., said the package was not enough to check what he described as a presidential tendency through history of "always grabbing more power."

"The erosion of freedom rarely comes as an all-out frontal assault," warned Byrd, the dean of the Senate. "Rather, it is a gradual, noxious creeping cloaked in secrecy and glossed over by reassurances of greater security."

The "no" votes came from Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., and Feingold, Byrd and seven other Senate Democrats: Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, Patty Murray of Washington and Ron Wyden of Oregon.

Sen. Daniel Inouye (news, bio, voting record), D-Hawaii, did not vote.

It seems that this renewal would make some of the provisions of the Patriot Act permanent. However, the most controversial ones such as the authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications won't be. Either way, the government could still easily abuse this power and keep it a secret. So everyone, watch out!

Zak
3rd March 2006, 16:57
They have been abusing there power and keeping it secret for a long time. Bush recently admited it. What worries me more is that they detain US Citizens deaming them enemy combatents, and give them no trial. It goes against everything The United States was started over.

Orange Juche
4th March 2006, 20:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 01:25 PM
They have been abusing there power and keeping it secret for a long time. Bush recently admited it. What worries me more is that they detain US Citizens deaming them enemy combatents, and give them no trial. It goes against everything The United States was started over.
Well, supposedly started over.

The United States was formed by a bunch of rich white males, who wanted a republic to represent the rich white males. They had no concern for "democracy" for women, blacks, ect. Essentially, the United States has been nothing but a steaming pile of red white and blue bullshit since day one.

Tekun
5th March 2006, 13:02
Originally posted by MeetingPeopleIsEasy+Mar 4 2006, 09:12 PM--> (MeetingPeopleIsEasy @ Mar 4 2006, 09:12 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 01:25 PM
They have been abusing there power and keeping it secret for a long time. Bush recently admited it. What worries me more is that they detain US Citizens deaming them enemy combatents, and give them no trial. It goes against everything The United States was started over.
Well, supposedly started over.

The United States was formed by a bunch of rich white males, who wanted a republic to represent the rich white males. They had no concern for "democracy" for women, blacks, ect. Essentially, the United States has been nothing but a steaming pile of red white and blue bullshit since day one. [/b]
Mos definitely brother

Whats sad to see and hear, is that people's are not as concerned with this as they should be
They're more concerned with who's gonna win the Oscar, then with the future of their lives in this country
Pathetic!

Dreckt
6th March 2006, 00:59
The United States was formed by a bunch of rich white males, who wanted a republic to represent the rich white males. They had no concern for "democracy" for women, blacks, ect. Essentially, the United States has been nothing but a steaming pile of red white and blue bullshit since day one.

And how was the rest of the world at that time? Was the UK any better? The colonies the Europeans established overseas? The US was never perfect, but certainly much better than feudalism in Europe, where none but the king had the power.

The US started as the land of the free, but now it is one of the most hostile countries in the world. Europe has surpassed the US in terms of freedom and human rights. Until recently, at least where I am, where my state is a slave to the US demands.

Sabocat
6th March 2006, 10:53
The US was never perfect, but certainly much better than feudalism in Europe, where none but the king had the power.

Instead, in the U.S. we had a bunch of wealthy land owning, slave owning, white guys who became the ruling class, representing other wealthy land owning, slave owning white men. What's the difference?



The US started as the land of the free

Unless of course you were an indigenous Native American. It wasn't so free for them.

Personally, I think the most frightening aspect of the Patriot act and it's renewal, is that it allows creation of a "National Police force" The patriot act allows this new National Police force to take over law enforcement in any location nationwide they deem is a "security threat".

Zak
16th March 2006, 02:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 10:56 AM
Personally, I think the most frightening aspect of the Patriot act and it's renewal, is that it allows creation of a "National Police force" The patriot act allows this new National Police force to take over law enforcement in any location nationwide they deem is a "security threat".
Yeah, think KGB. I always thought "Department of Homeland Security" sounded alot like something out of Soviet Russia.

Zak
16th March 2006, 02:44
Originally posted by MeetingPeopleIsEasy+Mar 4 2006, 08:47 PM--> (MeetingPeopleIsEasy @ Mar 4 2006, 08:47 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 01:25 PM
They have been abusing there power and keeping it secret for a long time. Bush recently admited it. What worries me more is that they detain US Citizens deaming them enemy combatents, and give them no trial. It goes against everything The United States was started over.
Well, supposedly started over.

The United States was formed by a bunch of rich white males, who wanted a republic to represent the rich white males. They had no concern for "democracy" for women, blacks, ect. Essentially, the United States has been nothing but a steaming pile of red white and blue bullshit since day one. [/b]
Right, but you have to compare it to other places at the time. They didn't consider blacks, woman etc, to be people. It was pretty revolutionary at the time to say a country should have no king and that people should be protected from the government. That when a government becomes oppresive it is the duty of the people to overthrow it.

It should also be said not all of the framers of the constitution thought slavery was acceptable, some of them tried to abolish it.

Franklin said "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." This speaks directly to the patriot act.