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[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well i saw this film.

Nothing great, and really long.

Nevertheless, it had some interesting bits. like the red army faction. and some German woman who talks "pure" dialectic.

However, every Palestinian i saw was a terrorist, and had a cleche AK. they were portrayed as evil madmen. while the Israeli 'terrorists' were classed assassins and were painted in a friendly honorable way.

has anyone else seen it? do you think it was totally bias?

[Charles]

I havnt seen it but i already hate it, with the whole isreal good palestine bad, it sounds stupid and ignorant.

but tell me more about the red army faction bit

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well the red army faction were a pro-soviet organisation. they were called the bader meinhof too. I dont think you ever see them directly, but both the palestinian and isreali terrorists are very aware of them.

the Isreali group, who the film follows, even pretends to be red army faction, when they accidentally meet up with some palestinian terrorists.

the film even ends, in New york, and the closing shot is a landscape of the two towers. not subtle at all!

[BillHicks]

propaganda? is this even a question anymore when referring to a Spielberg film?

[The Grey Blur]

It's not a bad film, and it's not great propaganda either.

Just keep repeating to yourself when it shows the Israeli athletes being slaughtered - "hundreds killed in the refugee camps, hundreds killed in the refugee camps"

Fuck Israel

[timbaly]

It's not a bad movie at all, it's very well acted. You can easily argue that it's anti-israeli or anti-palestinian. The israeli agents are definetely humanized in the film but at the same time the main character becomes sick and disilluisoned with his job and goes against some of the israeli government orders he recieves.

[which doctor]

The RAF had a small part when they were in Lebanon (I think) living in that apartment.

[jaster]

without sounding to unprofessional, well duh!
bottom line is that is a mainstream american movie and of course it is going to have an element of propaganda in it, although i do beleive that speilberg honestly tried to make it at least semi-nuetral. however when you only talk to the israelis (which he obviosley did) you can only get one side of the story, and he cant talk to the palistinians because either they are all dead or he would not be alowed into the OT.

on a somewhat related issue, when Ariel Sharon was about to be put on trial for the Sabra/Shatila massacres in 1982, all of the witnesses were ?mysteriosly? killed in car bombs and the like.

[Edelweiss]

Well the red army faction were a pro-soviet organisation. they were called the bader meinhof too.

Unprecise. First of, the RAF never was openly pro-Soviet, although they got secret support of the DDR. Second, only the first generation of the RAF also was decribed as the "Baader-Meinhof Gang" for obvious resons.

[Comrade Marcel]

The movie was very well done, the acting superb IMO. Also, when the Israeli agents assassinated someone, it was usually less then perfect. For example, when they shot the Ductch womyn assassin, they dropped the rounds when reloading, and a lot fo the time the seemed to be very akward when they were doing it. To me it seemed somewhat realistic.

I didn't really buy how slack the KGB agents were though, that part seemed to sit with me as dumb.

The politics was pro-Israel and pro-AmeriKKKan, but it was at least somewhat critical of both.

The representation of Palestinian politics is shit. We all know there is a wide aray a views, from straight up national liberation, to Islamic Fundementalism to Marxists(-Leninists) in the Palestinian liberation movement. Instead all the Palestinians were painted as terrorists and didn't dialogue much at all. The one exception was in Athens when the Israelis met with some Palestinians in the "safe house" and pretended to be RAF. During a brief discussion with each other well smoking on a starewell, the Palestinian is portrayed as a complete anti-Semite who wants to see Israel completely wiped out. I think Speilberg tried to juxtapose the Palestinians feeling of wanting a homeland, a nation with similiar feelings of the Jews.

I definately recommend the movie.