India Communists Forum

[mandangi]

I am administrator of website http://indiacommunists.proboards61.com Our website contains information about leftist movement and parties in India. Our website gives ideas and suggestions for Indian leftists.

[Red Heretic]

cool site!

[mandangi]

We started that website for educating Indians about communism. Some international communists also posted messages in our website. Freedom, Democracy and Human Rights are severely suppressed by capitalist politicians in India. We wish all people in India to enjoy Democratic Human Rights.

[Ice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 02:38 PM
We started that website for educating Indians about communism. Some international communists also posted messages in our website. Freedom, Democracy and Human Rights are severely suppressed by capitalist politicians in India.
I don’t understand why you guys still talk about Maoism in India. CPI(M) has clearly shown the working class a way and I think it is better if you people join the CPI(M) because, Maoists in India are going in a wrong track. They are in the jungles for almost 40 years and they haven’t achieved anything except, hatred from people from all over the country.


We wish all people in India to enjoy Democratic Human Rights.

Don’t ever think of democracy or freedom under the rule of some armed men.

[mandangi]

In those days, Communist Party of India(CPI) also used to have weapons. CPI was very popular before 1951. CPI(Marxist) was formed by split of CPI after leaving weapons. Their popularity reduced after leaving weapons. Maoist party was not founded 40 years back. CPI(ML)Peoples War Group was founded in 1980. Now CPI(ML)Peoples War Group became CPI(Maoist) and Moaist Communist Center(MCC) merged with CPI(Maoist). 120 districts in India are ruled by CPI(Maoist) parallel government. In West Bengal, CPI(Marxist) is doing anti-Marxist works like following world bank policies. If CPI(Marxist) dont support imperialism, i would also vote for them. I support CPI(Maoist) because they are doing some thing better against capitalism and imperialism. Attempting to kill world bank agent Chandra Babu Naidu is one of the attempts against imperialism.

[Ice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 02:06 PM
In those days, Communist Party of India(CPI) also used to have weapons. CPI was very popular before 1951. CPI(Marxist) was formed by split of CPI after leaving weapons. Their popularity reduced after leaving weapons.
I don’t care about CPI, they followed wrong policies and I am sure they will dissolve the party soon. Even Osama is popular and does it mean that, he is fighting for the right cause? Popularity has nothing to do with communism, CPI(M) is following the correct line and as a result they are enjoying peoples support and we are not against violence; we have to wait for the right time and strike hard.


Maoist party was not founded 40 years back.

Actually I was talking about the Naxals on the whole.



120 districts in India are ruled by CPI(Maoist) parallel government.

When did the Maoists contest in elections? And which parties do you mean by parallel governments?


In West Bengal, CPI(Marxist) is doing anti-Marxist works like following world bank policies

Ok then, what do you want them to do in West Bengal now?


If CPI(Marxist) dont support imperialism, i would also vote for them.

When did they support imperialism?


support CPI(Maoist) because they are doing some thing better against capitalism and imperialism. Attempting to kill world bank agent Chandra Babu Naidu is one of the attempts against imperialism

What’s the use in killing Naidu? The capitalists will replace Naidu with another criminal in no time and so, it is the system and not the individual and you support the Maoists just because you think that killing Naidu is doing something against the capitalist system. You cannot change the system by simply killing people alone.

[mandangi]

When did the Maoists contest in elections? And which parties do you mean by parallel governments?Maoists did not contest in elections. But they are running parallel governments in 120 districts with support of people. Some districts are fully under control of CPI(Maoist).

CPI(Maoist) is not extremist party. We don't support extremism. We too criticise incidents like R.Udayagiri jail break etc. But we don't criticise incidents like attacking world bank agent Chandra Babu Naidu.

[Ice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 12:37 PM
But they are running parallel governments in 120 districts with support of people. Some districts are fully under control of CPI(Maoist).



CPI(Maoist) is not extremist party. We don't support extremism. We too criticise incidents like R.Udayagiri jail break etc. But we don't criticise incidents like attacking world bank agent Chandra Babu Naidu.
Prove it!

It would be great if you can provide with the names of those districts under the Maoists control.


We too criticise incidents like R.Udayagiri jail break etc.

Then why do you support the Maoists?


But we don't criticise incidents like attacking world bank agent Chandra Babu Naidu.

So, you support the Maoists just because they kill some capitalists?

Keep this in mind, nothing is going to change if the Maoists kill Chandra Babu Naidu
or any other capitalists.

[mandangi]

Pro-imperialists are much more dangerous than capitalists. What is wrong in attacking them? Indian politicians win in elections by buying votes with money and liquor packets. They work by orders of pocket organizations of America like World Bank and IMF. They want to make India as permanent slaves of imperialists.

[Ice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:42 AM
Pro-imperialists are much more dangerous than capitalists. What is wrong in attacking them?
There is nothing wrong in attacking them but the point is, there is no use in attacking them.


Indian politicians win in elections by buying votes with money and liquor packets. They work by orders of pocket organizations of America like World Bank and IMF. They want to make India as permanent slaves of imperialists.

CPI(M) does no such things.


But they are running parallel governments in 120 districts with support of people. Some districts are fully under control of CPI(Maoist).

You have made that statement before and now, I want proof for that.

[mandangi]

You have made that statement before and now, I want proof for that.Go to Jharkhand and ask people. 16 of the districts of Jharkhand are fully under control of Maoists.

[Ice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 04:57 AM
Go to Jharkhand and ask people. 16 of the districts of Jharkhand are fully under control of Maoists.
Names of those districts please.

[mandangi]

Ranchi, Hazaribagh, Palamau, Garwah, Latehar, Lohardaga, Godda, Koderma, Sahibganj, Santhal Parganas etc etc. Go to any of these districts and ask people.

[Trotsky.jr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 03:35 PM
Ranchi, Hazaribagh, Palamau, Garwah, Latehar, Lohardaga, Godda, Koderma, Sahibganj, Santhal Parganas etc etc. Go to any of these districts and ask people.
BJP is ruling Ranchi but still you don’t have any problem in calling Ranchi a district controlled by the Maoists. You can control people with guns, but still people prefer to in those districts still prefer BJP and you shameless people don’t have ant problem in calling those states, Maoist controlled.

Look at West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura you cannot see even a single village ruled by the BJP or the Shiv Sena. So you think the Jarkand people are better evolved or the people living in the states ruled by the CPI(M). I don’t think there is any need in visiting those districts and asking those people about Maoists, people living in those districts have made their intensions clear and again, the Maoists don’t control anything in India.

[Brownfist]

I would like for the CPI(M) supporters to explain how their party was willing to make an agreement with Microsoft in which if Microsoft invested in W. Bengal the CPI(M) would garuntee no strikes for 10 years. Also, perhaps they could explain why the party has accepted the inevitability of neo-liberal globalization and has decided to operate within the framework of this. I think that the Maoists are the only people really organizing the rural and tribal populations. I mean this can be demonstrated in the regional nature of the CPI(M) and CPI, rather than a national leadership. The CPI(M) has strayed from its own party's criticisms of the CPI in 1962. I mean today the CPI(M) is working and supporting the national bourgeoisie... something that was unacceptable and caused the split in '62. They disagreed with Kruschev's secret letter, however, I dont think that the CPI(M) membership even remembers that debate. I would like to hear from the CPI(M) supporters what are the real differences between the CPI and CPI(M) today. I would say none! I know that in the late 90's that the CPI actually suggested a merger between the two parties which was unacceptable to the CPI(M) leadership. Furthermore, I think the fact that the CPI(M) supported the National Front government from the outside despite the fact that the BJP was involved in it, and Jyoti Basu's arguement that the CPI(M) should have shown direct support, and would regret the failure to do so over time is extremely damning. The CPI(M) today is more interested in ensuring that they can continue to gather votes, than have any kind of revolution in India, and this brings me back to the question of 1962 differences. In 1962 it was argued that revolution could not be possible if the party was involved in elections, and the CPI was repimanded for this. What is the CPI(M) doing today? Only engaging in parliamentary politics.

[Brownfist]

Oh by the way... to the CPI(M) people... I have a distribution house in Toronto called Krantikari Publications and Distributors and I wanted to distribute the CPI(M) publication People's Democracy. Currently we distribute two Indian publications by CPI-ML (Kanu Sanyal) and People's March. I would like the distribution house to distribute the monthly journals of as many left parties in India, so that it is non-sectarian and that people know what is going on. If anyone is interested please message me. That goes for anyone involved in CPI and CPI-ML (Liberation), although I disagree with the politcs of these parties doesnt mean that people should not read them. Actually when I was in India in Jan/Feb I purchased a lot of CPI(M) publications and met a number of cadre.

[mandangi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 12:04 PM
Look at West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura you cannot see even a single village ruled by the BJP or the Shiv Sena. So you think the Jarkand people are better evolved or the people living in the states ruled by the CPI(M). I don’t think there is any need in visiting those districts and asking those people about Maoists, people living in those districts have made their intensions clear and again, the Maoists don’t control anything in India.
Activities of hindu fundamentalist organization Rashtriya Swayam Sevak(RSS) are more even in Kerala. Self pro-claimed Marxists fight some times with RSS. In Kerala and West Bengal, capitalist and pseudo-secular party Congress is taking indirect support of hindu fundamentalists. in center level, CPI and CPI(Marxist) are supporting Congress. CPI(Maoist) never supported fundamentalist organizations of any religion and they did not accept their support. In Andhra Pradesh, CPI(Maoist) killed many activistists of hindu fundamentalist party Bharatiya Janta Party(BJP) when Chandra Babu Naidu was Chief Minister. Some people even deserted Telugu Desam and BJP parties.

[Trotsky.jr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 06:35 PM
Oh by the way... to the CPI(M) people... I have a distribution house in Toronto called Krantikari Publications and Distributors and I wanted to distribute the CPI(M) publication People's Democracy. Currently we distribute two Indian publications by CPI-ML (Kanu Sanyal) and People's March. I would like the distribution house to distribute the monthly journals of as many left parties in India, so that it is non-sectarian and that people know what is going on. If anyone is interested please message me. That goes for anyone involved in CPI and CPI-ML (Liberation), although I disagree with the politcs of these parties doesnt mean that people should not read them. Actually when I was in India in Jan/Feb I purchased a lot of CPI(M) publications and met a number of cadre.
I am really happy to here this from you, I can make arrangements for that but how many copies would you like to buy every week? Once you give me the information about the number of copies I will contact the CPI(M) office and inform you about other details through PM and would you like to distribute any of the books published by the CPI(M).

[Brownfist]

What is the name of the CPI(M) monthly theoretical journal or is it only weekly. I think we would be initially interested in getting 5 copies per week. We would have to ask for a month's to be sent at a time as weekly it would cost too much money.

[Brownfist]

Also I am interested in the Marxist which is the quarterly journal of the CPI(M). I would be interested in 5 copies of that as well... and 1 copy of each back issue as far as possible.

[Brownfist]

Also Mandangi do u know where i can get copies of the selected works of mao vol. 6, 7, and 8. they were published by the publishing house affiliated with cpi-ml(pw) and were sold in Andhra.

[Brownfist]

Are the comrades from India still around? I will be back in Delhin July so I would like to meet some more revolutionary comrades while I am there.

[subham]

Comrades, instead of engaging in endless debate, it is better to join hands and shake off sectarian politics and try to resolve our ideological conflicts through talks.