Smoking Ban In The UK

[Hate Is Art]

Pretty disgusting really, what ever happened to a little bit of freedom?

Does anyone actually agree with this?

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[fernando]

I agree with you on that one!

EDIT: I meant to say that I agree with you that its disgusting that the government bans smoking

[FriedFrog]

Im not a smoker, but I disagree with an outright ban. I'd be okay for a ban in places that served food, but I think banning it even in bars is too far.

And they even banned it in workers clubs. What a joke. Another attack on the working class with a pro middle class law.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 19 2006, 05:47 PM
Does anyone actually agree with this?

More people than you'd think....

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...opic=46380&st=0 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46380&st=0)

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[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 06:33 PM
Im not a smoker, but I disagree with an outright ban. I'd be okay for a ban in places that served food, but I think banning it even in bars is too far.

And they even banned it in workers clubs. What a joke. Another attack on the working class with a pro middle class law.
Really?

So who's working in pubs as barpeople, waiters and glass collectors then?

This is the best law the UK parliament has passed in years.

[bolshevik butcher]

I agree with it. An outright ban on smoking would be wrong but in enclosed public places fair enough.

[timbaly]

I don't think an outright ban is justified, however if the ban is only for enclosed areas, like restaurants I don't mind. Even if the ban is for bars I don't particularly find it to be negative. Smoking in public places should be restricted for a simple reason that I'm sure many people agree with; "That shit is gross!"

[fernando]

Hmm split a bar up in two...one part would be the normal smoking section, the other one would be the non smoking section. I dare to bet on it that the non smoking section would be practically empty and highly boring.

You want fresh air and go out? Well stand outside then :rolleyes:

[Roses in the Hospital]

So who's working in pubs as barpeople, waiters and glass collectors then?

I did, and that's partially the reason I support the ban. It's all well and good people having the freedom to slowly kill themselves, but I'd rather I didn't have to be exposed to it...

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 08:46 AM
Hmm split a bar up in two...one part would be the normal smoking section, the other one would be the non smoking section. I dare to bet on it that the non smoking section would be practically empty and highly boring.

You want fresh air and go out? Well stand outside then :rolleyes:
thats what we have in australia. and i support it. most of my friends work in bars, and about 50% of them don't smoke or want to smoke, and don't want to smoke other people's smoke even more :P

[Matty_UK]

I suppose people not smoking is probably a good thing, but personally I think the ban is a reflection of how self-centred we are becoming under capitalist society. With people becoming far more obsessed with their private property, they become more obsessed with their appearance, their health. Personally I think passive smoking is a no-brainer; there is very little scientific evidence to suggest people actually get cancer from it, and even then it is in extreme situations, and the desire for a ban comes from a general dislike of people smoking.

I don't see what is wrong with having a smokers section and a non-smokers section. What I don't like about it is how increasingly there are things people can only do in the privacy of their own home. In a capitalist society, pubs will eventually be on their way out as the need to have your own personal space and belongings becomes greater, and this is one more step in that direction and I find it deeply depressing.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Matty_UK
In a capitalist society, pubs will eventually be on their way out as the need to have your own personal space and belongings becomes greater, and this is one more step in that direction and I find it deeply depressing.

This is a good point. There's even a name for it in the U.S. It's called "cocooning".

You never leave your house or apartment unless you have to. And whatever minimal socializing you do is done in your home or someone else's.

There's even been a book written about the gradual abolition of "public space"...Bowling Alone by Robert D. Putnam.

It would be interesting if someone were to research how smokers' behaviors have changed since the imposition of all the smoking bans.

I know in my own case that I deliberately avoid non-smoking environments whenever possible and, when I must enter one (grocery store, public library), spend as little time in them as possible.

When I was younger, I greatly enjoyed train travel...but now I travel only by private automobile since smoking is completely banned on all intercity trains in the U.S.

If I were not already retired, I'd have enormous difficulty getting a job now. I'd probably end up having to work "from home" on the internet...and just forget about all the time I spent socializing with co-workers.

In San Francisco, the anti-tobacco puritans are now pissing and moaning about the clouds of cigarette smoke at the entrances of office buildings from all the smokers forced to go outside and smoke. You can see where they're going with that: a total ban on smoking in public anywhere.

If I were young and wanted to go to a university now, I'd probably have to do it "on line"...as colleges and universities in the U.S. are increasingly banning smoking on the whole campus.

During my brief academic career (1960-62), I actually smoked in all my classes...it was normal, believe it or not.

Yes, life in late capitalist society is depressing...and likely to become more so.

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[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 06:42 PM


This is the best law the UK parliament has passed in years.
you SERIOUSLY think that? you fascist. it impinges on free will, and i want the right to go have a cuppa and a fag! anyway, its bad for pubs cos while people are out smoking, theyre not drinking

[bolshevik butcher]

Well i think the minimum wage was slightly better......

[Taevus]

I think that if people want to smoke, its their choice and they should be allowed to do that. Equally though, non-smokers shouldn't have to inhale (harmful) second-hand smoke, but I guess if you go to a bar/restaurant/other place, you're going there knowing that people will be smoking there, so it's your choice. I thought smoking/non-smoking sections were fine personally.

[piet11111]

funny they never bother implementing something like a wine tax.
or anyother tax that is mostly directed against the rich.

coïncidence ? i think not.

[Cult of Reason]

I find this all quite ironic and even curiously amusing. There is widespread publicity about a law for which the positive effects are minimal (except for the choking aspect, which I can sympathise with as my late father smoked) and which will make the lives of a large group of people just that little bit worse. Hooray for government!

Bastards. If they really cared about public health then the people they would go after would not be the smokers but the CEOs of the tobacco companies. I can imagine the scene now: "Mr X., you have been found guilty of the murder of in excess of 3 million individuals..."

Where does their right to enforce this come from anyway?

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 20 2006, 04:48 PM
Well i think the minimum wage was slightly better......
Yes, I would agree with that. It's the best law since the minimum wage was introduced.

[Coolpie]

I personally think the ban is a little extreme, though i dont think Non-smokers like myself should have to inhale other peoples smoke. People have the right to kill themselves :ph34r: !!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Smoking does have it's benefits (http://smokingbenefits.ytmnd.com/)

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by chairmanmick+Feb 20 2006, 03:36 PM--> (chairmanmick @ Feb 20 2006, 03:36 PM)
[email protected] 19 2006, 06:42 PM


This is the best law the UK parliament has passed in years.
you SERIOUSLY think that? you fascist. it impinges on free will, and i want the right to go have a cuppa and a fag! [/b]
And I don't want lung cancer.

[patrickbeverley]

I am saddened by the ban, mainly because I liked the atmosphere of smoky pubs. But even I must admit that there are some very strong arguments in favour of the ban.

<sigh> I don&#39;t really know what to think.

[Conghaileach]

I used to work in a bar, and I can say that I completely support the ban.

[Eoin Dubh]

Anti-smoking crusader&#39;s cancer has spread

Heather Crowe, the former waitress well-known to Canadians for her anti-smoking TV commercials, met reporters on Friday to demonstrate once again the toll cancer can take.

Crowe, a lifelong non-smoker, was diagnosed with lung cancer after waiting tables in a variety of smoky restaurants for 40 years.

Now the cancer has spread to other parts of her body, leading Crowe to enter a palliative care unit in Ottawa&#39;s Elizabeth Bruyere Health Centre this week.


Doctors have told her she now has 11 tumours in her brain and a painful one on her spine, along with the lung cancer that was diagnosed in 2002.

"I want Canadians to understand where I am," she said. "All along people have been saying, &#39;Oh no, how can she be sick?&#39; And I keep saying to everybody I meet, &#39;Watch and see. Watch and see. I&#39;m not joking. It&#39;s real.&#39;"

Crowe said she hopes showing people what she&#39;s going through will lead to nationwide bans on smoking in workplaces and public spaces.

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...ader060224.html (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/02/24/cancer-crusader060224.html)

[Body Count]

I&#39;m not really for or against any laws that capitalist countries impose....

But even as a smoker, I understand why non-smokers are tired of it.

It really is a disgusting habit that I should quit.

[Monty Cantsin]

I support the ban, I’m not a smoker, and the smoke makes me feel sick I really don’t want it around. Most people don’t smoke anyways. As other’s have said think about the workers in bars that have to put up with it. A total ban on smoking in enclosed spaces such as bars and so forth would be welcome.

rioters bloc, isn’t there already some restrictions on smoking in bars? I remember the government was brining in some changes relating to it.

[piet11111]

the funny thing is the poeple that wanted the ferry between my island and the mainland to be smoke free where fighting one another when they heared the bar (smoking still allowed) would get them an additional 100 euro&#39;s if they worked there for a month.