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rioters bloc
19th February 2006, 11:22
The Advertiser (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18191176%255E911,00.html)

Abbott vow to fight on
Glenn Milne
19feb06

UNDETERRED by his loss over RU486, Health Minister Tony Abbott is determined to continue his anti-abortion crusade.

Mr Abbott has now put a plan to Cabinet which aims to bypass all counselling services to women now provided by abortion clinics.

The plan, worth more than $50 million, would result in the Federal Government directly funding church-affiliated groups such as Lifeline (an arm of the Wesley Mission) and Anglicare to provide alternative counselling.

Mr Abbott believes counselling offered by abortion clinics is fundamentally predisposed towards going ahead with termination.

He has argued in Cabinet that professional advice should be at arm's length from abortion providers.



ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1573345.htm)

Opposition questions church pregnancy counselling plan

The Federal Opposition is wary of an idea by Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott to fund church groups to provide counselling to pregnant women thinking of an abortion.

Mr Abbott is expected to take the plan to Cabinet this week as part of a range of measures to reduce Australia's abortion rate.

He is seeking Cabinet's approval for a $50 million plan involving a 24 hour pregnancy support hotline and Medicare rebates for counselling.

Opposition health spokeswoman Julia Gillard says she hopes the Minister is not making health policy to suit his wounded pride over the RU486 matter.

"I hope that we're not going to see health policy made to salvage Tony Abbott's wounded pride, rather than for good reasons," she said.

She says Labor would support a Medicare rebate for counselling, provided it was made available on a more broader basis.

"I'm not suggesting churches would manipulate it but I'm saying that not every woman who is dealing with the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy would choose to be counselled by a church," she said.

"She might choose to be counselled by someone else and she should be able to make that choice."

Mr Abbott says he is confident church organisations are more than capable of providing professional counselling services for women considering an abortion.

He says a number of church groups including Anglicare have demonstrated their capacity to give professional health services over many years.

He says there is widespread support for reducing the abortion rate claiming even members of Parliament, who voted in favour of the controversial bill to give the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) control over the abortion pill RU486, think there are too many abortions in Australia.
Democrats

Meanwhile the Australian Democrats have called for agencies which stand to receive federal funding to provide pregnancy counselling services to be accredited to ensure they offer unbiased information.

Democrats Senator Natasha Stott Despoja hopes church-based groups are open about their views on abortion if they are to be funded for providing the service.

"It would be good to have a national accreditation system to determine how government funding is spent in this area and to make sure that women are getting the best services preferably unbiased services and those services that look after the needs of women first and foremost," she said.

Nothing Human Is Alien
19th February 2006, 13:04
That's quite a government you've got down there.

What's the popularity of fully legalizing women's reproductive rights down under?

rioters bloc
19th February 2006, 13:32
last i heard [yesterday], 85% of australians believe in a woman's right to choose. i just heard it on the news, dont know what the source is.

Clutch
20th February 2006, 07:56
Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 19 2006, 11:59 PM
last i heard [yesterday], 85% of australians believe in a woman's right to choose. i just heard it on the news, dont know what the source is.
If you heard it on ACA, then the source is most likely ACA.

praxis1966
20th February 2006, 10:41
A few seemingly obvious observations:


The plan, worth more than $50 million, would result in the Federal Government directly funding church-affiliated groups such as Lifeline (an arm of the Wesley Mission) and Anglicare to provide alternative counselling.

Mr Abbott believes counselling offered by abortion clinics is fundamentally predisposed towards going ahead with termination

Perhaps the last sentence is true. Perhaps abortion clinics would counsel towards termination. However, the author seems to ignore the fact that faith-based counseling services would obviously be predisposed towards carrying the pregnancy to term. It doesn't really seem like he's after equanimity. Unspoken hypocracy if you ask me, which, I know you didn't.


"I'm not suggesting churches would manipulate it but I'm saying that not every woman who is dealing with the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy would choose to be counselled by a church," she said.

Much stronger arguments are available, such as the one above.


He says there is widespread support for reducing the abortion rate claiming even members of Parliament, who voted in favour of the controversial bill to give the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) control over the abortion pill RU486, think there are too many abortions in Australia.

Maybe they voted in such a manner in the hopes that women could swallow a pill instead of having their stomaches sliced open. Perhaps, women could terminate pregnancies before they began (ie the fifth day after conception; when the egg implants in the uterin wall) not unlike what happens when men use condoms.



Mr Abbott says he is confident church organisations are more than capable of providing professional counselling services for women considering an abortion.

And a shark is capable of going vegetarian.


He says there is widespread support for reducing the abortion rate claiming even members of Parliament, who voted in favour of the controversial bill to give the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) control over the abortion pill RU486, think there are too many abortions in Australia.

Perhaps voting in such a way because it's much more pleasant to swallow a pill than to have your guts ripped open and a Hoover inserted.

rioters bloc
20th February 2006, 11:51
does anyone know how church-based abortion counselling works? ive heard that in at least some places in the US, they give you the options of termination, parenting, and adoption. and if you choose to terminate, they refuse to give you any more information or refer you to a surgeon or anything, as that would be aiding a murder.

cormacobear
20th February 2006, 14:41
There are groups in the States providing counciling that are even more reprehensible than what you've described, the psychological abuse they've been discovered to employ would make abu graib interrogators cringe. I also know church groups that provide fair balanced and appropriate counciling services. I'm absolutely against government funding for religious counciling on any subject.

The government should simply fund seperate clinics hwere trained psychologists and psychiatrists provide advice on this subject free of charge outside of the medical infrastructure or religious organizations. If the person concerned whishes to recieve ecclesiastical advice they can seek it out.

Amusing Scrotum
20th February 2006, 15:12
Originally posted by rioters bloc
does anyone know how church-based abortion counselling works?

I don't know how "abortion counselling" by the God-squad works, but I've heard some pretty nasty things about "drug rehabilitation" by the God-squad.

The heroin addicts do become former heroin addicts - I think the "success rate" is higher than other forms of rehabilitation. However, they come out of the process raving lunatics constantly babbling about the "lord". :(

It's like they swapped physical addiction for mental instability and then mental instability is more harmful.