Get me out of here - emigration out of the USA

[commie kg]

This question is mainly for the people who have emigrated out of the US already.
I'm only in high school now, but after college, how easy is it to obtain a job in a foreign country?
I'm looking at Slovenia as a possible new home, I have family there where I can stay for a little while. Now I just need to finish school and learn the language... Does anyone have any suggestions or tips for getting out of this hellhole?

[4514]

this is far fetched but if you marry someone with english blood, you will be entitled to a uk passport allowing you to live almost anywhere in europe,
or if you marry a kiwi or aussie you be allowed into either country to live,
4514

[Kapitan Andrey]

commie kg...Oh boy!!! You are the good one!!! I support you!!! Get out of there quickly!!!
But it's sad, that I can't help you!!!

4514...Ha-ha...I like your signature!!! :biggrin:

[Disgustipated]

I'm not sure about other countries but if you have a grandfather from the UK, you have the right to a UK passport.

My grandfather was born in Scotland and I have gotten the paperwork from the British consulate. I want to travel by boat a bit more and I don't consider it safe to travel as a US citizen, so I'm gonna fill out the stuff and get the UK passport. Although, now I'm not sure it will be any safer than the US one.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Muaheheh

Now we are talking about passports, I have the choice of 3 nationalities, Russian, Afgan and Dutch.

Which one should I choose?

[Pete]

So I can get british citizenship because my dad was born there? Wierd. I say run north to Canada.

[Angie]

Quote from 4514:
this is far fetched but if you marry someone with english blood, you will be entitled to a uk passport allowing you to live almost anywhere in europe, or if you marry a kiwi or aussie you be allowed into either country to liveSpeaking as an Australian, I'd say choose another country. Our government's just as fucked over and if we can't keep our own leader in line - which clearly we don't seem to be able to do - then just how much better are we exactly?

[redstar2000]

Going into exile is hard. It will take a long time to feel at home in your new country. You will encounter people who will instantly dislike you because you are from America. And there will be things, perhaps, and certainly people that you miss.

In practical terms, Canada is a good first stop for Americans...still relatively easy to enter as long as you look decent and have money with you. You can go anywhere from Canada.

If you don't "look" middle-class but are fluent in Spanish, Mexico is easy to enter...but beware of the police--shaking down the parents of American kids is a main source of income there.

In terms of radical political activity, I think France and Germany are going to be "where the action is" over the next two or three decades...Italy might also be in that number.

In terms of personal freedom, the Scandinavian countries plus Holland lead the world...and are all very unlikely to get involved in any imperial adventures.

If there is a limited nuclear war anywhere in the northern hemisphere, there's only one choice: New Zealand.

Two countries that would have been on my list a couple of years ago are now questionable: England and Australia now have "anti-terrorist" campaigns of their own and can be expected to use repressive laws against anti-capitalist political activists without regard for traditional civil liberties.

Most countries will accept foreign students. Can you get parents/relatives to pay your way into a foreign university? Are you smart enough to win a scholarship? Once you're actually there, it is much easier to plod through the bureaucracy and get your citizenship.

A note of caution. Until you have your citizenship, keep an extremely low profile with regard to radical (or any kind of) political activity. Don't get arrested for anything until you're a citizen.

It's probably better, psychologically, to put aside any thoughts of ever returning. It is always "possible" that things might improve dramatically here...but only a fool would bet on it. The evidence is quite convincing in my view; America is well on its way to becoming the Fourth Reich.

Anyone who can get out, should.

:cool:

PS: Do I need to add this? No one should come here for any reason whatsoever.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

commie kg you're welcomed to stay in Venezuela.You don't need papers just a tourist visa and then you stay.
That's how our 4 million imigrants did It:biggrin:

[CompadreGuerrillera]

DONT GO DONT LEAVE ME HERE!!!!
acutally u can do whatever you want, just consider, us commies who stay in America and chose to support our comrades, will have one less from our revolutionary roster, you could change the tide of battle!! we need you guys in the USA, now more than ever, you cant turn your back on your people and your comrades!! dont leave us here to get overwhelmed by the fascists, if you leave, and we all leave, we will have given the enemy the victory, you wouldnt want that now would you?
please reconsider comrade, please, for the revolution!

[redstar2000]

CompadreGuerrillera, I understand your feelings. Nevertheless, I think a young American radical can ultimately do much more from outside the United States than s/he can do as a prisoner in an internment camp inside the U.S.

The battle inside America has, in my view, already been lost. I hope I'm wrong. But if I'm not, then everyone who can be saved from a sinking ship should be.

That's my opinion.

:cool:

[CompadreGuerrillera]

actually, we wont be arrested unless no1 is arround to speak up for their comrades, when they come for us remaining
i strongly urge you to reconsider your choice, besides, if no revolutionaries are here, who is gonna educate the ppl and convince them to rise up? no1!!
we cant just abandon all hope because fascism is prevelent here, that is retreating, do young radicals retreat? Do young communists just "give up"
i dont care if there are fascists, i am staying here, and continuing my activism, please stay behind, help your comrades who WILL NOT give up on a country that needs our help!

[Pete]

"at first they came for the jews...."

[MJM]

Change jews to arabs, eh crazypete.

Good advice from redstar, of course. Keep yourself out of trouble and graduate from college if you can last that long. From there almost any country will give you citizenship or let you work there. I'd go for Europe too, or maybe south america somewhere.

If you can't do that a highschool english pass may get you into an asian country teaching english to young kids. Or you can buy a phoney degree in Hong Kong for around 20$ US. It helps if you do have a high level of english language skills. If you want out, just get out, things have a way of working themselves out once you take action.

[Disgustipated]

...and then (they most definitely) they came for me....

[Pete]

MJM, just quoting a poem of a German catholic (or protestant) from Hitlers time.

"...and there was no one left to speak out for me"

[Felicia]

Quote: from commie kg on 11:51 pm on Mar. 17, 2003
This question is mainly for the people who have emigrated out of the US already.
I'm only in high school now, but after college, how easy is it to obtain a job in a foreign country?
I'm looking at Slovenia as a possible new home, I have family there where I can stay for a little while. Now I just need to finish school and learn the language... Does anyone have any suggestions or tips for getting out of this hellhole?

haha, I'll tell you what I'm doing. (you need to be 17-18 at least...... so by the time you get out of high school)
I'm taking an TESOL course (teaching english to speakers of other languages) and you can go to pretty much any country in the world and teach. Some countries require a university degree but most don't. If Slovenia's what you have your eye on, than this would be an easy way to get there...... if you don't mind teaching :biggrin: (and they will offer you language lessons in their language when you get there) I went to a seminar about this just last night, so a lot of stuff is fresh in my mind... if you want to ask me some questions :) Here's a link to a website (http://www.globaltesol.com) Don't worry, it's credible.....and canadian :P

OR you could just come to Canada :biggrin:

[Hyde]

[quote]Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:33 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
MJM, just quoting a poem of a German catholic (or protestant) from Hitlers time.

Here's the whole poem.

"First they came for the communists.
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the Jews.
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists.
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics.
But I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me, and by that time,
there was no one left to speak up"

- Pastor Martin Neimoeller

[CompadreGuerrillera]

thats a sad poem, sad, but tru at any rate, that teaches us to speak out agianst Fascism and its oppression

it should also be noted that it teaches us to speak up, and not cower away from fascism, which leaving the US and abandoning your comrades is. the point is if many of us leave, there will be none left to speak out for us, we will only have a miniscule voice(we already do) so we dont need to make it worse, please stay

(Edited by CompadreGuerrillera at 12:49 am on Mar. 20, 2003)

[praxis1966]

I joke about moving to a foreign country but I think I'm gonna stay here. I think that the first decade of the twenty-first century is gonna make the 60's look like the 50's. The shits been perculating around here for years. Just look at the protests at the DNC and RNC in L.A. and Philly, or before that Seattle and Washington at the WTO and IMF conventions. Or you can take heart in all the anti-war protests that have occured most recently.

Just wait untill this war actually starts for real. Talk about people taking to the streets en masse. I for one plan on being the next Abbie Hoffman. How about you?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'm with you Commie kg, since the whole Iraq thing, I've been absolutely appaled by some of the things I heard around here, and now I just want to leave. The other day I was listening to this libertarian (supposedly moraly liberal; economicaly right) guy on the radio, he said something about how in the US there is freedom of speech, but there will be concequences for what you say. I believe he was reffering to how Americans are reacting to the many Hollywood celebrities and how they're speaking out against Bush, but if there's freedom of speech, what are the concequences all about?!?! I also heard this guy on the radio say how Tom Dashle (sp?) should be voted out of senate and how everyone should be behind the president in his efforts against Iraq.

Frankly, I have never seen such an authoritative attitude, I'm absolutely appaled and I think I'm moving away from this hellhole!

[Resorte]

Move to Cuba and help the revolution

[Resorte]

How many comrades from the US?

[KRAZYKILLA]

Libertarians appeal to the "working" class of AMerica with there "ethics;" however, they GO to the rich of america... its a mind game they're just trying to paly with us.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Resorte on 10:34 pm on Mar. 20, 2003
Move to Cuba and help the revolution


That is exactly what I would do--- Either that or Canada. Maybe Germany because I have some friends there...

Gots to go! Gots to go!

[Resorte]

YerbaMate, where are you from?

[Resorte]

I’m thinking of moving back to Argentina and militate in a political party related to Che’s ideas (I haven’t find one yet). I have been living in the US for five years going from illegal immigrant to career firefighter and having a wife and two children I should feel pretty accomplished but living in the Mecca of capitalism made me feel the opposite. I want to be on the other side (my wife thinks I’m crazy, she is American of course) helping people, educating myself so I can teach others that there are choices, we just have to make them. I think education of the people is the key for the revolution.

I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. - Ernesto Che Guevara

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Resorte on 1:05 pm on Mar. 21, 2003
I’m thinking of moving back to Argentina and militate in a political party related to Che’s ideas (I haven’t find one yet). I have been living in the US for five years going from illegal immigrant to career firefighter and having a wife and two children I should feel pretty accomplished but living in the Mecca of capitalism made me feel the opposite. I want to be on the other side (my wife thinks I’m crazy, she is American of course) helping people, educating myself so I can teach others that there are choices, we just have to make them. I think education of the people is the key for the revolution.

I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. - Ernesto Che Guevara


I was born and raised in California, Resorte. And I'm still there!

I think that is a fantastic idea you have about forming the group in Argentina dedicated to Che's ideas. If it ever get's off the ground, be sure and let us all know! :)

[Soul Rebel]

In response to YerbaMates advice to go to cuba- good luck man and be prepared. I did it man and it is some hard work. However, i will be doing it again. once you go youll never want to leave.
P.S. if anyone wants a picture of anything in cuba, such as che's face at the plaza of the revolution let me know by posting a message here. ill scan and send.

[ChiTown Lady]

It sounds to me like you already have something of a plan Commie Kg. You mentioned Slovenia – you have family there. I don’t know what the requirements for ultimately staying in Slovenia are though.

Actually, I am doing just that – getting out of here. I am moving to Costa Rica in July. But the requirements to get into Costa Rica are not easy. You either have to marry a Costa Rican, or prove an income from a foreign source.

Most countries will let you in if you marry a citizen of that country. Something to think about. Many many people marry Americans to qualify to move here – so why not marry someone from somewhere else to move there? But I would hope that you would find someone who you love before you marry – marrying for love is always the best way to go, I think. Of course there is no reason why you couldn’t genuinely fall in love with someone from another country – is there?

Good Luck! I hope you find a way to do it.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from SenoraChe on 2:28 am on Mar. 22, 2003
In response to YerbaMates advice to go to cuba- good luck man and be prepared. I did it man and it is some hard work. However, i will be doing it again. once you go youll never want to leave.
P.S. if anyone wants a picture of anything in cuba, such as che's face at the plaza of the revolution let me know by posting a message here. ill scan and send.


I would LOVE a picture of Che's face at the plaza, SenoraChe. Scan and send!

Tell me more about why it would be hard in Cuba.
Also tell me why I would not want to leave.

Muchas gracias! :)

[Disgustipated]

I also would like to hear about moving and living in Cuba. I'd love to see some pictures.

[Soul Rebel]

Ok- Personally i think that living in cuba is not bad. I absolutely loved cuba and can't wait to get back. You will not find kinder people than the cuban people. They will sit there and talk to you for hours and answer any questions you have. They will also show you around and explain the history of things to you. This may seem like an obvious statement or suggestion, but just back sure you know some spanish. There are people down there who speak english, but its alot easier for you to know spanish too.

Now the hard part is getting into Cuba, especially from the U.S. I went there from the U.S., and did it legally. You have to go through another country, meaning you gotta stop somewhere else, hop on a plane, and go to cuba. You have to get a special visa too when in havana. When i go back in december im going directly from spain with my spanish passport which will make it easier.

If you do it you will love it. I think about Cuba everyday. I met so many wonderful people and truly felt at home. It was just amazing.

I'll post some pix and explanations with the pix:)

I forgot to mention- if you go, save 25 bucks for the taxes. You need to pay them at the airport in order to leave the country.

(Edited by SenoraChe at 3:14 pm on Mar. 25, 2003)

[YerbaMateJ]

Thanx SenoraChe. I can't wait to go!!! I have the feeling I will feel the same way you do. Looking forward to the pictures...

[Resorte]

I' m from Argentina but I live in the US, I heard that the only way that I could go to Cuba is from another country, but even if lets say I go to Argentina and then to Cuba I wouldnt be able to use my American money because that would be feeding the cuban economy, so I would have to find a third person who sponsor my trip without spending a single cent on my part of my hard earned money.
I think is bullshit that I'm not free to travel to Cuba and smoke their cigars

[Felicia]

Quote: from Resorte on 8:30 am on Mar. 26, 2003
I' m from Argentina but I live in the US, I heard that the only way that I could go to Cuba is from another country, but even if lets say I go to Argentina and then to Cuba I wouldnt be able to use my American money because that would be feeding the cuban economy, so I would have to find a third person who sponsor my trip without spending a single cent on my part of my hard earned money.
I think is bullshit that I'm not free to travel to Cuba and smoke their cigars


Can't you just get your money changed at the bank? when you get to cuba, just make a trip to the bank, they'll exchange it for ya. Or you could very easily catch a flight from canada to cuba, and have your american dollar changed to the canadian loonie, and then change that when you get to cuba (if they won't change the US dollar, but I think that they accept the US dollar as currency in some places, for tourism reasons probably) :)

[Resorte]

Felicia, I don’t think the US currency is the problem, the fact that no one coming from the US is allow to go to Cuba (except Cuban citizen or people that have relatives) that is part of the blockage, so even tough I’m argentine because my income source comes from the US economy, I’m not allowed to spend that money in Cuba, because that would be helping Cuba.

(Edited by Resorte at 5:54 pm on Mar. 26, 2003)

[Felicia]

oh, I guess when I see it that way....

[YerbaMateJ]

Like SenoraChe said, there are legal ways to go to Cuba from the u$a, but from what I've read it's full of legalities and a pain in the ass. However, I think President Clinton made Cuba/u$a cultural and educational exchange trips legal. Like if you go with a university. Maybe even a language exchange program.

I so resent the fact that the u$ government makes it such a hassle. It seems like such a punishing spirited thing---the whole embargo situation. But that is a whole other thread...

[Soul Rebel]

Money isnt really an issue when going to cuba. You are allowed to use U.S. currency, I used it the whole time. I seriously encourage you to use U.S. money if you go, it has greater value so in a way you are helping the country and the people.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from SenoraChe on 11:27 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
Money isnt really an issue when going to cuba. You are allowed to use U.S. currency, I used it the whole time. I seriously encourage you to use U.S. money if you go, it has greater value so in a way you are helping the country and the people.

And that is exactly what I want to do. When are you going again, Senora Che? Maybe I can come with you! I would need someone to show me around who knows Spanish and English. I'm working on my Spanish now... but I'm sure I'll need a bit of help. Let me know!

YMj:biggrin:

[Soul Rebel]

Yeah, of course i would love the company!!! Im going back in january (2004) or feb, right after i graduate from college. We could definitely pull it off, meet up at an airport or something :)

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from SenoraChe on 11:43 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
Yeah, of course i would love the company!!! Im going back in january (2004) or feb, right after i graduate from college. We could definitely pull it off, meet up at an airport or something :)

What a coinkydink! I finish college around September 2003! Where do you live right now again?

Let's do it! January is the perfect time to go, right? The 44th Revolution celebration!

Let's keep in touch about this, okay?

YMj :biggrin:

[alphaduc]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 9:44 pm on Mar. 20, 2003
The other day I was listening to this libertarian (supposedly moraly liberal; economicaly right) guy on the radio, he said something about how in the US there is freedom of speech, but there will be concequences for what you say. I believe he was reffering to how Americans are reacting to the many Hollywood celebrities and how they're speaking out against Bush, but if there's freedom of speech, what are the concequences all about?!?!


I heard that too; however, what he means is that if a NAZI gas station owner is driving you crazy with his rantings, then he can't complain when you take your business down the road. I guess some of the hollywoods were getting upset that the right wing is going to boycott them.

Who really cares? The Hollywoods already have an insane amount of money. And what are the rights going to do by boycotting the movies? Stay home and read a book? Maybe a copy of "Guns & Ammo".

[Iepilei]

I was reading somewhere for a University of Havana Medical school program that said US citizens are not allowed to spend more than 100 per week, or something along those lines. Anything on that?

[Soul Rebel]

I do know that there is a limit on money, but I dont know if it is 100 a week. I think that would be difficult because if you are staying at a hotel, it would be crazy expensive, so you would be spending more than that. I'll check my papers and see what it says.

YerbaMate- I live in CT, USA. Yep, January is the perfect time. To celebrate the Rev. they put of billboards and posters everywhere. Its fun.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from SenoraChe on 8:44 pm on Mar. 27, 2003
I do know that there is a limit on money, but I dont know if it is 100 a week. I think that would be difficult because if you are staying at a hotel, it would be crazy expensive, so you would be spending more than that. I'll check my papers and see what it says.

YerbaMate- I live in CT, USA. Yep, January is the perfect time. To celebrate the Rev. they put of billboards and posters everywhere. Its fun.

Right on. I'm there.

YMj:biggrin:

[Iepilei]

I just re-read it and it's per day, not week.

[Disgustipated]

SenoraChe & Yerba....I'll meet you down there. I'll be going by sailboat...Jan. 2004 is a good time frame if leaving the US East Coast in Oct. (I'm in the Boston Area)

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 11:18 am on Mar. 28, 2003
SenoraChe & Yerba....I'll meet you down there. I'll be going by sailboat...Jan. 2004 is a good time frame if leaving the US East Coast in Oct. (I'm in the Boston Area)

By sailboat---Cool. All by yourself?

We'll see you there!

[Disgustipated]

Nope, wife and 2 cats. :cheesy:

BTW...does anyone know if you're allowed to move there, or is it like most places that you have to leave for a short time and then re enter and get a new visa? If it's impossible to emigrate to there, how long can you stay on a visa?

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 8:54 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Nope, wife and 2 cats. :cheesy:

BTW...does anyone know if you're allowed to move there, or is it like most places that you have to leave for a short time and then re enter and get a new visa? If it's impossible to emigrate to there, how long can you stay on a visa?

GREAT question! SenoraChe or Larissa help!

And I have a cat too. I need info about bringing animals in...

YMj:biggrin:

[Soul Rebel]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 11:18 am on Mar. 28, 2003
SenoraChe & Yerba....I'll meet you down there. I'll be going by sailboat...Jan. 2004 is a good time frame if leaving the US East Coast in Oct. (I'm in the Boston Area)


Why are you going by sailboat? You could go by plane like i am. I did just 2 months ago and I got there fine without any problems. If you definitely want to go let me know so some of us can meet up and go together. It would be great if we went as a small group, like 5 or 6 people. If not im gonna stay with some people i know down there. Let me know, me and yerbamate are already talked about it :)

[Soul Rebel]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 8:54 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Nope, wife and 2 cats. :cheesy:

BTW...does anyone know if you're allowed to move there, or is it like most places that you have to leave for a short time and then re enter and get a new visa? If it's impossible to emigrate to there, how long can you stay on a visa?


In order to live there you have to pay a fee every two months i believe. And yes you would have to get a visa. As for how long the visa lasts, it depends on what you are there for.

[YerbaMateJ]

I need to vent. I am so fucking disgusted---excuse my French again.

I am a student in college--- I'm living with the folks until I'm done. I work part time at my school and go to school full time. Unfortunately, I don't have this big fat job with big fat benefits. In fact, I don't have medical insurance.

Last week I was spending the night at my friend's house about 40 miles from my home. This doesn't usually happen, but I suffered a really bad asthma attack in the middle of the night. Soooo----we went to the local urgent care. They had me breathe through a tube, took my vitals, etc etc. They gave me a perscription for an inhaler and some pills and I left. Felt a whole lot better. I must have been there a total of 30 minutes. All well and good.

UNTIL I GOT MY FUCKING BILL. $458.00!!!!

Four-hundred and fifty-eight fucking dollars for this 30 minute visit to an urgent care.

There is NO WAY I'm going to pay that off anytime soon. No way. And I'm not asking "daddy" for the money. I'm sure he doesn't have it anyway.

My point? Here it is: In CUBA my visit would have been absolutely free. Fucking free.

I'm grateful I got that bill. It reminds me of why The Revolution is so important.

And why I want to extricate myself from this distasteful system.

I know there are people around the world with worse problems than I have. I don't have bombs going off in my neighborhood (yet) and I have been very fortunate in life.

Thanks for the forum.

YMj:)

[Resorte]

I feel for you Yerba MateJ, The health care system in America is a shame!!!. I come from a country where health care and education are free and I think that is the way America should be. I think if you move to Cuba you’ll be better of. This is my view of the facts

According the Census Bureau more than 41 millions Americans do not have health insurance, 11 millions of those uninsured are children. Pharmaceutical and Insurance companies combined with the American Medical Association opposed the initiative of former President Bill Clinton to create a health care system for every American because it was against their economical interests. Bill Clinton was not the first president to propose a national health system, in 1949 President Harry Truman called for a nation-wide "system of pre-paid medical insurance which will enable every American to afford good medical care.” More than fifty years later the problem remains unsolved and is only
getting worse. Ray Scheppach, president of the National Governors Association, announced in representation of the fifty states the need for budget cuts in Health Care and Education for the year 2003 due to a 40 billions dollars deficit nationwide. The Defense budget will not be cut and it is over 355 billion dollars. The U.S. is the only industrialized country that doesn’t provide a Health Care System for their citizens.

[YerbaMateJ]

Yes---It is a shame and a disgrace, Resorte. And I know there are people in this country that are in even worse situations than my little asthma attack.

Like Che said, imperialism "turns men into bloodthirsty beasts."

Truly barbaric in every sense of the word.

"CUBA SI!" is all I have left to say.

YMj:)

[Resorte]

My perception is that in America doctors are consider the elite of the society, not for the job they do but for the money they make. Imperialism turn DOCTORS into bloodthirsty beasts. Hopefully we will change the system allowing every American access to free health care

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Resorte on 12:13 pm on Mar. 29, 2003
My perception is that in America doctors are consider the elite of the society, not for the job they do but for the money they make. Imperialism turn DOCTORS into bloodthirsty beasts. Hopefully we will change the system allowing every American access to free health care


It's gonna take a Revolution. But I'm up for it. How about you?

YMj:biggrin:

[Resorte]

I believe that we are in need of a change, and the change has to come from the inside out. I don’t think any armed revolution is going to overthrow the US government but for some people outside the US they see it as the only way because they don’t have the options that we do, which is to change the minds of the American people, to change the media that controls the people and to change the government that oppress the poor countries around the world. I believe that is our duty as Americans to educate the people and to provide them with an alternative option other than a brutal capitalism.

Hasta la victoria siempre!!!


(Edited by Resorte at 5:37 am on Mar. 30, 2003)

[esposa]

Well, I have to agree with Resorte. I think that the people of the US need to decide for themselves that a change is needed. By using violence, or terrorism, you are uniting the people. No one asks why you killed the people, only simple who do they need to kill in order to feel justice has been served. Right now, corporate America has a power much stronger than any group can over throw. They have a strong advantage over the politicians and political views. They get to come in to most peoples houses all day long. I know for myself, either the tv is on, the computer is connected, or I am out driving consume the products of these corporations. However, there is very little time in my day where I am forced to think about what is happening in other parts of the world, or even of the violence that is occuring in my part of the world. A change will come when the people are forced to see their children shooting each other in the richest neighborhoods of America. Then they will ask why and begin to fight for change.

[Disgustipated]

Quote: from SenoraChe on 7:23 pm on Mar. 28, 2003

Quote: from Disgustipated on 11:18 am on Mar. 28, 2003
SenoraChe & Yerba....I'll meet you down there. I'll be going by sailboat...Jan. 2004 is a good time frame if leaving the US East Coast in Oct. (I'm in the Boston Area)


Why are you going by sailboat? You could go by plane like i am. I did just 2 months ago and I got there fine without any problems. If you definitely want to go let me know so some of us can meet up and go together. It would be great if we went as a small group, like 5 or 6 people. If not im gonna stay with some people i know down there. Let me know, me and yerbamate are already talked about it :)





We live on our boat. It's just easy to just sail it down. My thoughts are that we would just pull into Marina Hemingway and stay right there.

[Larissa]

Doug, you live on a boat!!?? WOW!! may I move with you? I have a husband and two cats :biggrin:

No kidding (my she-cat is about to have siamese kittens soon)

(Edited by Larissa at 10:19 pm on April 22, 2003)

[Larissa]

Quote: from YerbaMateJ on 6:15 pm on Mar. 28, 2003

Quote: from Disgustipated on 8:54 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Nope, wife and 2 cats. :cheesy:

BTW...does anyone know if you're allowed to move there, or is it like most places that you have to leave for a short time and then re enter and get a new visa? If it's impossible to emigrate to there, how long can you stay on a visa?

GREAT question! SenoraChe or Larissa help!

And I have a cat too. I need info about bringing animals in...

YMj:biggrin:
Yes, you can emigrate to Cuba but you need to do a lot of "paperwork stuff" and it costs some money. Tourist visas are good for 21 days to one month, and students visas are good up to three years. I have a permanent visa because I'm married to a Cuban who has not "renounced" to his nationality and has a permit that allows him to live in a foreign country so he can fly back and forth whenever he wants to. (Cuban privileges :cool: )

(Edited by Larissa at 10:25 pm on April 22, 2003)

[Urban Rubble]

So what's the deal with sailing there ? If I had a boat could I just cruise it on down there ? Also, to all of you who are talking about Jan 04, I would LOVE to go to Cuba. I was going to go to Jamaica but I would have to go by myself. I wanted to see Marley's tomb and some other shit, but I would definately rather go to Cuba. I'm from Seattle so we would have to meet up somewhere.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Are there any travel restrictions for UK citizens entering Cuba?

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Muaheheh

Now we are talking about passports, I have the choice of 3 nationalities, Russian, Afgan and Dutch.

Which one should I choose?

GO the Afghan one, it should make travels more interesting, try to go to the states on it :)

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Larissa on 6:18 am on April 23, 2003
Doug, you live on a boat!!?? WOW!! may I move with you? I have a husband and two cats :biggrin:

No kidding (my she-cat is about to have siamese kittens soon)

(Edited by Larissa at 10:19 pm on April 22, 2003)


Yes, we live on our boat. I kind of like to call it living "off the grid". The cool thing about it, is that it's like not really being a citizen. Most people I meet equate your life and success' by your house, cars etc. I have lived on a boat for almost 20 years. It's a great way to have an ocean view without paying 100's of thousands of dollars. :wink: We have made a bunch of offshore trips on the boat and it is completely self sufficient. This year we will add a watermaker as well. Power is provided by wind generators and solar panels.

Here in New England believe it or not there is a fairly large population of "liveaboards" (I like to refer to us as interred American ex-patriots :biggrin:

Everyone come on board...we'll get the media together, and have the news channels film the boatload of people going TO cuba! That'll cause some commotion on the nightly news!

The deal with sailing to Cuba, from everything I've been told by people who have done it is, that you arrive there, check in and get a 1 year cruising permit. This allows you to sail around the entire island (as long as you fill out an itinerary). They also, at that time issue you a 3 month visa. After that 3 months, the usual trick for sailors, is to leave for a couple of days or a week, and then come back and get another 3 month visa. I personally would much prefer going through the paperwork and time and set up residency there. Larissa, that is good news that that is possible.

Congratulations on your impending arrival of kittens! We have 2 Blue Point Birmans (which look like really furry Siamease) as well.