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Intifada
15th February 2006, 15:48
An Australian TV channel has broadcast previously unpublished images showing apparent US abuse of prisoners in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail in 2003.
The images on SBS TV are thought to be from the same source as those that caused an outcry around the world and led to several US troops being jailed.

The new images show "homicide, torture and sexual humiliation", SBS said.

They are part of a court case in the US. A judge has ruled they can be published but the case is continuing.

The broadcast of the images comes at a time of increased tension between Muslim nations and the West over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

'Live rounds'

One of the videos broadcast on the SBS programme Dateline on Wednesday appears to show prisoners being forced to masturbate to the camera.

Other video footage appears to show a prisoner hitting his head against a wall.

The channel said he was a mentally disturbed patient who became a plaything of guards who practised ways of restraining him.

Some photos are said to show corpses. There are also images of prisoners with body and head wounds.

Some of the pictures have now been re-broadcast on US networks and on Arab satellite channel al-Arabiya.

SBS journalist Olivia Rousset told the BBC one of them showed a senior Iraqi officer being treated for a throat wound received after he resisted being transferred within the camp.

Some of the new photos showed soldiers who have already been convicted for their part in the abuse, including Lynndie England and Charles Graner, the man prosecutors said was the ringleader in the scandal.

A number are versions of the photographs that caused outrage when they were initially leaked in April 2004, including the prisoner wearing a hood and hooked to wires.

SBS also said it had received reports that some prisoners were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets during a prison riot and started using live rounds instead.

Convicted

A spokesman for the US defence department told the BBC News website: "The abuses that occurred were tragic and damaged our country's image.

"However, the images portrayed were not part of a legal, authorised interrogation process, but were taken as part of isolated, unauthorised incidents."

He said none of the 12 major reviews since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke had shown the department had sanctioned or encouraged abuse.

Analysts say the reaction in the Muslim world may depend on how widely the images are shown. In Iraq, the emergence of the images come amid tension caused by the release of a video appearing to show UK troops beating Iraqi civilians.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says al-Arabiya is broadcasting half a dozen of the new Abu Ghraib images, though it has refrained from showing the most shocking.

The images are part of a group of more than 100 photographs and four videos taken at Abu Ghraib and later handed to the US army's Criminal Investigations Division.

In September a New York judge ruled in favour of a request from the American Civil Liberties Union for the pictures to be released.

The judge rejected the government's arguments that publication could fuel anti-US feelings. The Dateline programme says the government is appealing against the decision.

US President George W Bush has said the Abu Ghraib abuse was a "disgrace".

Nine junior soldiers have been convicted - some are serving jail sentences. All senior US commanders were cleared except the commander in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time, Janis Karpinski, who was reduced in rank from general to colonel.

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4715540.stm)

rioters bloc
15th February 2006, 16:01
ye, i watched it on dateline on sbs tonight...

first time i saw dead people at abu ghraib. and the interrogation room filled with blood, and then the corpses, and the heads beaten half in... made me retch repeatedly.

15 of the photos published on smh. be warned - graphic.


http://www.smh.com.au/ftimages/2006/02/15/1139890768716.html

ColinH
15th February 2006, 19:03
I got curious at how different outlets would cover this so I took a peek at CNN's website. I couldn't get the video to load so I looked at their gallery and half of the pictures were the old ones, and none of the newer brutal, bloody pictures were shown. Very toned down.

jaster
15th February 2006, 20:12
here is a link to a good follow up from it.


http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives...%20Peshawar.htm (http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2006%20News%20Archives/February/15%20n/Pakistani%20Cartoon%20Protests%20Largest%20Yet,%20 Attacks%20on%20Western%20Companies%20in%20Peshawar .htm)

Noah
15th February 2006, 23:07
RB...in that link of yours, is there a prisoner with semen in his mouth?

barret
15th February 2006, 23:24
This maybe a stupid question, but why where the pictures taken in the first place? Quite obviously if they were ever found they'd stirr up a lot of trouble...

drain.you
15th February 2006, 23:33
This is so horrible that I really cant express how I feel about this anymore. All the abuse of prisoners and the citizens of Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, its sick. How can humans do this to each other?
Seeing new stuff emerge in the news everyday is destroying my will to live. What is the point in even being alive if we can't change any of this. I want revolution for equality and peace but it feels like we can never achieve this and all I can see is humans fighting with one another and acting like barbarians.
This shit is horrible. I can't do anything to help, I feel so powerless... :-(

Tekun
16th February 2006, 00:09
Typical of US oppressors
They've done it in earlier conflicts, so this shouldn't surprise anyone who is open minded

The Abu Ghraib investigation was a mockery, the real culprits were not punished, and even if they were, the punishment did not equal the crime

Hopefully the Iraqi's continue to resist usurpation

Comrade Yastrebkov
16th February 2006, 11:33
The sick thing is, that how many pictures have been taken? A couple of dozen? But in reality this sort of thing goes on, and has been going on ever since the start of the war. These pictures are only the tip of the iceberg.

On a BBC interview a defence analyst said something like "these soldiers are operating in tough conditions, with a lot of stress, is it any wonder they sometimes lose control?". What a disgusting thing to say. Imagine me going on air and saying "the nazi occupants of Poland in WWII were operating in stressful conditions, is it any wonder they got pissed off and gassed people?" - fucking ridiculous. They shouldn't be there in the first place.

Eoin Dubh
16th February 2006, 11:49
I wonder the effect all this will have, and the legacy of hatred for a long time to come. Abu Ghraib photos on the one hand, beheading videos on the other. Nauseating. Man's inhumanity to man, which war causes, is really incomprehensible to me.

Let's have one final war...... International Class War! :hammer:

rioters bloc
16th February 2006, 11:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 10:34 AM
RB...in that link of yours, is there a prisoner with semen in his mouth?
i'm not sure, but it looks like it hey? the colour/texture doesnt look like saliva or phlegm or vomit...

Dark Exodus
16th February 2006, 13:26
Where is the evidence that this was widespread?

drain.you
17th February 2006, 00:42
Where is the evidence that this was widespread?
Well from a leftie perspective most of us are quite critical of the state and since they have been trying to hide these images from us then surely there are other events they are hiding. Also logic and history will tell us that an invading force doesnt often stick to human rights and the majority of the time, torture, rape and assault occurs.
Also of course, remember all the other footage to have came from Iraq alone over the past years.

Janus
17th February 2006, 00:49
These photos were totally sick and disgusting. Much of this stuff was probably authorized by higher ranking officers but were blamed on the lower ones in order to prevent a major scandal. It would just seem strange that the base commander would decide to do this on his own without pressure from his superiors.

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if this type of event occured in other prisons but just hadn't been leaked out yet. Prisoner abuse is somewhat typical in prisons. There was even an experiment done on it by some university psychology professors. They took regular college kids and made them play prison. The result was that the "guards" soon began acting abusively towards the "prisoners" who became somewhat apathetic.

drain.you
17th February 2006, 00:54
Much of this stuff was probably authorized by higher ranking officers but were blamed on the lower ones in order to prevent a major scandal.
Thats how corporate crime works too, the higher ones authorise it but everyone is a part of it so its hard to prosecute individual people and so not much happens. Maybe a few of the soldiers that have been visibly seen by the public will be forced into arrest and such just so society doesnt get pissed off and revolt against the capitalists.

ReD_ReBeL
17th February 2006, 01:06
who keeps filming all this shit what goes on in prisons?

Seong
17th February 2006, 01:13
Anyone know how these photos got leaked in the first place?

I can't believe that sick bastard is smiling. When I saw the blood I was on the verge of tears. Now I'm just very, very angry.

Drain.you I feel pretty powerless too. But the fight must continue. We could really use the help of some regular posters. Look for the WCP.

www.globalteen.net (http://www.globalteen.net)

Janus
17th February 2006, 01:18
Someone within the base must have filmed it, mostly likely a soldier. Though he may have done it for his personal enjoyment. The press must have heard accounts of it and then somehow gained hold of these images.

Dark Exodus
17th February 2006, 02:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 01:09 AM

Where is the evidence that this was widespread?
Well from a leftie perspective most of us are quite critical of the state and since they have been trying to hide these images from us then surely there are other events they are hiding. Also logic and history will tell us that an invading force doesnt often stick to human rights and the majority of the time, torture, rape and assault occurs.
Also of course, remember all the other footage to have came from Iraq alone over the past years.
They will try to hide it regardless I think. We don't really know.

I do not accept the explanation that this is widespread and that thousands of those currently occupying Iraq are commiting such acts. This is not only unlikily in itself but it would be extremely hard to keep under wraps (Al Jeezera, not to mention the BBC and loads of other journalistic orginisations would be all over it).

Just look at the recent story about the group of British soldiers beating up those teenagers. That was in the news for a long time considering its magnitude in comparison with what goes on daily in Palestine (For example).

Severian
17th February 2006, 08:04
More photos here (Salon.com) (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/portfolio.html)

Salon.com article about the photos and internal army documents they've recently acquired (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/)


Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 05:51 PM
This maybe a stupid question, but why where the pictures taken in the first place? Quite obviously if they were ever found they'd stirr up a lot of trouble...
Because that wasn't obvious to the people taking 'em. They didn't think they were doing anything illegal; in fact they thought their actions were authorized by their superiors. So why not snap some souveneir photos to chuckle over later?

Which, tacitly, they were. And many of these interrogation methods had been explicitly authorized for use in Afghanistan - for example, at Bagram Air Force Base, where prisoners were beaten to death.

And of course no officer or CIA interrogator has been prosecuted even after the torture became publicly known.

Severian
17th February 2006, 08:08
Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 16 2006, 07:53 AM
Where is the evidence that this was widespread?
For starters:

Abuse of Captives More Widespread, Says Army Survey (http://refuseandresist.org/war/art.php?aid=1388)(New York Times article)

I've got a lot more bookmarked, though probably a lot of the links have expired. It's a well-documented - even officially admitted - fact that torture of prisoners occurred many places besides Abu Ghraib. And there are numerous prisoner deaths which appear to have been caused by torture, even going by the military's own investigations.

In several cases beside Abu Ghraib, enlisted soldiers were prosecuted. No officers that I know of offhand. Sentences were light in most cases, usually not even involving jail time.

Cases worse than Abu Ghraib are known for a fact, admitted officially, in a few cases the subject of court-martials. Abu Ghraib is just the one where photos were made public.

Now a fair bit of that is old. The media hasn't been paying a lot of attention to the issue recently.

It may be that most of the torture has been outsourced to the new Iraqi army and police. Did you see the thread with the article where a U.S. general finally admits the new Iraqi government is operating a death squad?

If not, here it is. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46390&st=0&#entry1292022345)

Dark Exodus
17th February 2006, 12:53
Then I stand corrected.