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Edelweiss
15th February 2006, 02:53
Civilised humanity must take a stand in defence of freedom of expression, against Islamists and racists

Source: http://www.wpiraq.net/english/2006/OWFI-F....ssion100206.htm (http://www.wpiraq.net/english/2006/OWFI-F.Expression100206.htm)

The recent controversy over some caricatures of Mohammed gave the Islamists an opportunity to wage a hysterical protest internationally. In many cases, this took a violent form and was clearly aimed at silencing those who dared to even portray Mohammed.

In these demonstrations - across the world and in London, the very heart of Europe - many of the banners on show were emblazoned with shameful slogans. These included - Those who insult Islam must be beheaded and Freedom go to hell plus various other fatwas and threats against cartoonists and others who have the temerity to insult Islam.

This is not the first time these forces have attacked peoples rights in the Middle East and Europe. Many writers, singers, even barbers and doctors have been targeted in the last 30 years let alone the enslavement of women in the Middle East under the pretext of the defence of the honour of Islam. The furore over these caricatures is simply an excuse to stage another worldwide campaign to attack the right of freedom of expression. They want to turn Europe into yet another battlefield for their foul ideas.

It is vital for all decent people to be aware of the agenda behind these attacks on the rights to expression, and belief - the aim is to impose Islamic law all over the world. Political Islam is coordinating on an international level to gain momentum in a campaign against the achievements of progressive social movements who, after centuries of struggle, have won many advances for secularism. They now want to gain a privileged status under the umbrella of multiculturalism to excuse their crimes against Muslims, people of other faiths as well as non-believers.

This reactionary campaign complements and acts to provoke further racist responses from people like Nick Griffin, the leader of British National Party, a fascist organisation that targets non-indigenous people and non-whites in the UK.

Western governments have nurtured political Islam, helped the Iranian regime come to power and then maintained Taliban rule in Afghanistan. Their hypocritical tolerance and embrace of regressions of cultures under the auspices of multiculturalism has promoted religious divisions and raised a generation of brain-washed fanatics with identity crises that adherence to political Islam. These compromised governments cannot stop such groups and cannot silence them any further via compromise.

The only forces that can successfully stand against these attacks on human achievements are those of civilised humanity of the world. Our task is to organise a front of progressives, secularists and leftists to defend these precious achievements of humanity - including freedom of speech, expression and freedom of choice, personal rights and liberties. This must be unconditional and universal and that must also mean that Islam, like any other religion or belief system, must be prepared to be criticised, questioned and critically evaluated.

We call upon all freedom loving people, organisations and individuals to join us in this struggle to defend civil liberties and strengthen the progressive camp against the two poles of racism and Islamic fascism in Europe and worldwide.




Join our campaign.

There will be a series of activities in London and elsewhere to publicise our fight for the protection of freedom of expression.


The details of these activities will be announced soon.



-Organisation of Womens Freedom in Iraq-UK (OWFI)

-Middle East Centre for Womens Rights (MECWR)

-International Federation of Iraqi Refugees (IFIR)

-International Organisation for Iranian Refugees (IOIR)

-Iranian Civil Rights Committee (Iran CRC)

-Organisation for Emancipation of Women Iran (OEWI)



For further information please contact:

Houzan Mahmoud

Email: [email protected]

Tel: 079 56 88 3001

Tel: 079 51 433386

ElCheanarchy
15th March 2006, 02:45
That is all very true it even says that in that Koran, they are not fascists throught, they are overzealous holy warriors. There ideas are close to fascism and no better by any means however. They are a threat to all who love freedom.


from the Koran "[2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers"


many more can be found here (http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html)

RNK
15th March 2006, 03:49
The recent controversy over some caricatures of Mohammed gave the Islamists an opportunity to wage a hysterical protest internationally.

"The Islamists"?

Do you realize that you have blatantly labelled and stereotyped an entire ethnic group in that one sentance?

Before you try to campaign against Racism in the world, deal with your own.

Martin Blank
15th March 2006, 05:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 10:52 PM

The recent controversy over some caricatures of Mohammed gave the Islamists an opportunity to wage a hysterical protest internationally.

"The Islamists"?

Do you realize that you have blatantly labelled and stereotyped an entire ethnic group in that one sentance?

Before you try to campaign against Racism in the world, deal with your own.
Idiot. This was written by Iraqis (who are having to deal with both imperialist slaughter and fundamentalist attacks disguised as "resistance") and Iranians (y'know, Iranians -- people who have been fighting the fundamentalist regime in Tehran since 1979?). I think they have a better understanding of "the Islamists" than you do.

Miles

Fascist-Hunter
15th March 2006, 06:06
@Ernest

"Islamist" is not the same as "Moslem". And there are also white "islamists", so it is not racism.



There ideas are close to fascism and no better by any means however. They are a threat to all who love freedom.
Exactly

Amusing Scrotum
15th March 2006, 17:25
Originally posted by Ernest
Do you realize that you have blatantly labelled and stereotyped an entire ethnic group in that one sentance?

Obviously not content with that, you have done the exact same thing.

By assuming that they meant "Arabs", you have said they they are saying "all Arabs are Islamists". However, as I have pointed out to the many ( :( ) defenders of Islam on this site, there are many Arabs who gotten rid of their Medieval Superstition - Islam.

As Miles pointed out, this piece was written by some of these people - just have a look at the bottom of the piece.

However, if you wish to continue making the equation Arab (brown) = Muslim, then there isn't much I can do to help you.

ElCheanarchy
15th March 2006, 20:57
Islamists and Mujahedeen prevert Islam and intrept the Koran, as there duty to make the whole world under Muslum control, Isamaist may or may not support or wage Jihad ( lesser= armed Holy War and it support, grater= agenst sin), Mujhedeen ( commanly tanslated as Jihadist, lit strugglers ) always do I could go in to more detail but Im sure u get the point. Unfortuanly many( not most or all) Muslums are Islmaists due to Islmasit dicatorships. Islmaist have been around since Islam was created, but only recently has it become what it is now.

Amusing Scrotum
15th March 2006, 22:12
Originally posted by ElCheanarchy+--> (ElCheanarchy)Islamists and Mujahedeen prevert Islam....[/b]

(Emphasis added.)

I think the word you are looking for there is pervert (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pervert) and with regards the Mujahedeen, I'm not aware of a single Islamic scholar who considers their actions in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union "un-Islamic".

From the Islamic point of view, the "anti-Soviet jihad" was supported by Islamic "tradition" if you will.

As to whether some of the more fanatical Islamists "pervert" Islam, that is controversial. There are numerous verses of the Qu'ran which could be used as Islamic "justification" for their actions.

I suppose the controversy mainly takes on two distinct variations....

1) There are two ways of dealing with "infidels" that I know of in the Qu'ran.

The first way, is that Allah "will deal with infidels" - that, when they die, Allah will deal out the punishment or that he will deal out the punishment on Earth, i.e. cause floods, earthquakes and so on.

This, offers a kind of "passive" approach to "infidels". However, this can be said to offer encouragement to kill "infidels" as well. I think it was a Christian General who once remarked "kill them all, God will judge them" and this "side" of the Qu'ran could be interpreted in the same way - that you should kill "infidels" and leave the judgement up to Allah.

The second way, as it were, of dealing with "infidels", is far more provocative. Basically, it states: JUST KILL THE BASTARDS!

The "scholars", no doubt, spend years debating this shit!

2) The second part of the controversy, doesn't really have all that much to do with Islam.

Basically, the elements of the "Muslim bourgeois" who just want to make money, don't really have time for all that "infidel" shit - after all, if you kill the "infidels", who is going to buy your products! :lol:

So these guys, much like some of the early western bourgeoisie, argue for a "toned down" version of Islam. Basically, they want to ignore all the really nasty stuff.

These guys, who argue for a kind of "secular Islam", are, if you will, the real "perverter's" of the Islamic faith and some of the Religious authorities in the Islamic world, would and do, argue that they should be killed.

Needless to say, there is "perversion" of Islam, but the fundamentalists ain't doing it!


Originally posted by [email protected]
....Isamaist may or may not support or wage Jihad....

Actually, all Muslims should, theoretically, support "jihad" and it is the type of action that is considered "jihad" which is controversial.

Basically, there are two "jihads" - the little and the big. The "little jihad" is a single action, like a suicide bombing, where as the "big jihad" constitutes living you life along the lines of Islamic law.

The "little jihad" and what actions can be placed under it, is the most controversial of the two "jihads".

What has happened, is that over the years, various historical events have been proclaimed "examples" of the "little jihad" - the "anti-Crusade jihad" and so on.

Without going into it to deeply, basically, enough events have been proclaimed "examples" of "little jihad" for there to be significant blurring of what a "little jihad" actually means.

Therefore, all is really needed now is for a Muslim Religious "authority" to issue a fatwa against some poor bastard and for this to have some similarity with a previous historical event, for the fatwa to be "legit".

Which means in reality, that all is really required for someone to be "fatwad" (if that is even a word!), is for them to have pissed off some Islamic scholar.


ElCheanarchy
Islmaist have been around since Islam was created, but only recently has it become what it is now.

The "Islamists" were much worse before! :o
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Been as this thread has evolved into a discussion on Islam, I'm going to move it to the Religion sub-forum. :)