Marijuanna

[FidelCastro]

Should this drug be legal? It was illeagleized due to the rich cotton companies fearing it would hamper their cotton sales. I think it should, I use it regurlarly in my free time and it helps relieve stress which is good.

[which doctor]

I see no reason for it not to be legalized.

[OkaCrisis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:43 PM
Should this drug be legal? It was illeagleized due to the rich cotton companies fearing it would hamper their cotton sales.
Same goes for the huge threat it has posed to the lumber industry. Check out this site: Hemp (http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm)

Anyway, it should absolutely be legalized. Imagine if it was run Publicly: the supply and sale could be regulated and taxed. You would immediately eradicate the problem of (only marijuana) drug dealers, and the costs associated with trying to catch them, convict them, and incarcerate them. Plus, they'd be out of a job, because who would buy illegal pot from a "dealer" when you could buy legal stuff from a place like a liquor store.

Market forces would drive prices down, the "quality of the product" will increase (government controlled and regulated would mean no Windex in the stash), and the entire level of bureaucracy (and the costs associtated with running it) that deals with marijuana offences could be eliminated. The personnel could instead focus on catching real violent offenders, and especially "white collar" criminals. Or that money could even be better spent in a million different areas.

There are nothing but pro's to the legalization of pot. Imagine being able to buy a half-ounce from the corner store! :redstar2000:

[Hegemonicretribution]

I think this thread will yield the same results as all other cannabis threads here. Nearly 100% approval. Members that think the government can ever exercise "authority" in capitalism at least, tend to get restricted.

Seen as how (and I am assuming this) most people want cannabis legalised, does anyone think that smoking and driving should be legal?

[cormacobear]

For those of you interested in the fight to end Marijuana prohibition here is a Canadian resource i've found of great use the site has it's own on-line programs and a forum.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/


and their protests are always fun.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 04:37 PM
Seen as how (and I am assuming this) most people want cannabis legalised, does anyone think that smoking and driving should be legal?
It's not nearly as bad as drinking and driving, but still not good.

I would hesitantly say it should be legal.

[piet11111]

to what extent does it influence the ability to drive ?

i agree with legalisation of pot but it should be done with proper information around it.
a lot of anti-drugs arguments are more designed to scare poeple from using it then anything else.
the same goes for alcohol both are done in a sex-talk kinda way too little too late.

the more intersting qestion is how we decide to handle the usage of pot and other soft drugs.
will we simply allow it in a supermarket next to the tabacco or will we restrict its usage to say 5 joints a day ?
and what would be the age restriction ?

and what when we get poeple who are seriously addicted how should we treat them ?
and say we outlawed harddrugs what would we do if we find poeple that are addicted to those types of drugs ?

[OkaCrisis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 12:37 PM
does anyone think that smoking and driving should be legal?
No, people are bad enough drivers as it is.

But, as it is, it's almost impossible to catch "offenders", whether they be drunk or stoned, and making it "illegal" does/will do little to stop the actual problem and will only serve to put money into the pockets of the police/government/legal community after someone has been hurt.

[James]

i can certainly see the pro's in legalising it: e.g. make it safe, get tax off it etc.
I would combine this though with a ban of smoking in enclosed public places.

[James]

I think it should, I use it regurlarly in my free time and it helps relieve stress which is good.

From my experiance, it has made me friends who used it regularly "unstable".
I know many who have since given it up, and are incredibly glad to have done so.

So surely a stress ball would be better? Or even just learn how to calm yourself down?

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 05:36 PM
No, people are bad enough drivers as it is.


Heh! I only really said that because it is an interesting debate. There have actually been some studies claiming that moderate intake can improve driving avility, of course there are studies to contrary. It really is hard to know when science is looking for a particular result, and one that isn't objective truth.

piet11111; personally I don't think there should be any restriction. 5 joints a day may be a lot for some people, but it isn't for others. Also why do "children" have to be protected. Age restriction is well and good, but it won't work unless children know why. If you explain the damage to developing brains, but allow them their own decision many would likely not experiment until they were about 15/16.

[Husky42]

About it being legal to drive while under the influence of marijuana question:

I smoke herb every night. I very much enjoy relaxing with some music smoking and faling asleep. Driving while stoned however should be illegal and no restriction of license per-se but heavy fines that if not paid invalidate your license for a set amount of time.

Reason: When I smoke depending on the amount I smoke I can be mildly stoned where I quit quite easily drive. Or heavily stoned where a car would make me sick. 90% of the time im abit above mild and I know that I am in no condition to drive so I never drive stoned. I would rather be at 100% mental capacity when I drive then at 70% or whatever. I know that I'm not at 100% when stoned.


Legalized, well I'm a smoker so of course I'm going to say yes to the legalization of marijuana.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 01:43 AM
Should this drug be legal? It was illeagleized due to the rich cotton companies fearing it would hamper their cotton sales. I think it should, I use it regurlarly in my free time and it helps relieve stress which is good.
Of course it should be legal. In B.C. it practically is already.

As for driving under the influence, I have got lost in thought and chilling out to my music, I have driven through red lights!
Fortunately it was late at night.
Another time, lost in thought again late at night, I did not realize I was driving at 10 km/hour until I saw a police car in my rearview mirror.
Usually I was super extra careful if driving and smoking, but those two incidents convinced me never to do it again.

[drain.you]

I don't think it should be illegal but it doesnt really matter. Anyone can get hold of it for pretty much any town in UK and we allowed to carry a decent amount on us without getting charged so no problem really :P
suppose it would be nice to be able to buy packets of spliffs from shops tho

[Tekun]

If the people believe that legalizing it would deter crime, then it should be

But personally, I oppose all forms of un-medicated drugs which poison people, in their attempt to relieve stress :rolleyes:

[ReD_ReBeL]

As for driving under the influence, I have got lost in thought and chilling out to my music, I have driven through red lights!
Fortunately it was late at night.
Another time, lost in thought again late at night, I did not realize I was driving at 10 km/hour until I saw a police car in my rearview mirror

Your argueing for it's legality but you have probably stated One of the very many reasons it is not legal.
I'm all for it legal, but we don't need more helpless drivers under the influence. There's too many idiots who do it under alcohol.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 12:13 AM
I don't think it should be illegal but it doesnt really matter. Anyone can get hold of it for pretty much any town in UK and we allowed to carry a decent amount on us without getting charged so no problem really :P
suppose it would be nice to be able to buy packets of spliffs from shops tho
Which part of the U.K. are you from? Most my friends have not been as lucky, and where I live they have attempted to slap supply charges on my friends 3 times for less than an eighth.

O.K. there may have been reasons for this, but you still aren't safe. Although on the way to Glastonbury last year I did pass a joint on a platform, and the plain clothes just told us to put it out, and save it for the festival/when they were out of sight.

[Eoin Dubh]

I see your point, red rebel, yet I am convinced that it is no worse for driving than being whacked out on cold medication.
It is illegal to drive while on "sudafed" for instance.
Driving at 10km/hr is only dangerous if the cops arrest you, but the red light scenario is certainly bad.
Cold meds could probably get you into a similiar situation.
Driving while drunk is way more dangerous than pot. However it should not be underestimated as pot cuts down your reaction time and your ability to realize you are not driving a comfy cloud through the sky, so yes, driving under any influence is bad and should be illegal.

[Atlas Swallowed]

It is a much safer drug than alcohol. I have never heard of marijuana turning anyone violent as alcohol does(unless laced with something else). Marijuana would be hard for government to tax because you can grow it in almost any climate anywhere in the world. I have heard that hemp can be used as an alternative fuel and many other uses. It should be legal and laws against it should be abolished along with government.

[Seong]

I used to drive stoned all the time. Although my reflexes were impaired, this was greatly countered by the fact that I was usually driving 20km under the speed limit. Not to mention grinning my ass off. So I was reducing both the possiblity of a nasty crash as well as my potential for road rage. :P

It can be bad if it is used habitually though. When I was younger and more foolish I smoked it four months straight. I was scared alot as well as a bit scary. :blink:

[hamperleft]

dude, my freind was driving stoned, ran a red light in a jeep, lost the use of the right side of his bodey.

[ricardsju]

Everyone I know who has used it has very bad mental problems mostly anxiety, myself included. But then again we were crazy enough to use it at a very young age and some of it was more likey laced with something (rat poison ?)

[BuyOurEverything]

Everyone I know who has used it has very bad mental problems mostly anxiety, myself included. But then again we were crazy enough to use it at a very young age and some of it was more likey laced with something (rat poison ?)

Or maybe you were just crazy to begin with. Anecdotal evidence is useless.

[AnTi-Right Nation]

I lvie in BC< and thsi is the last thing we need. :angry:

[Janus]

It would probably be better if it were legalised. This may actually reduce some of the criminal acts that occur as a result of it. So far, it&#39;s been legalized in several states in the US and. However, I think that smokers should try to stay home when they smoke it.

[Husky42]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 12:41 AM
It would probably be better if it were legalised. This may actually reduce some of the criminal acts that occur as a result of it. So far, it&#39;s been legalized in several states in the US and. However, I think that smokers should try to stay home when they smoke it.
Only legalized for medical use. Marijauna use is still not legal anywhere in the US because its a federal crime and not a local crime when in posession. I live in Oregon and I&#39;ve been pulled over with a pipe in my car and I always let the officer know and never try to hide it. Cops here have never done anything the two times I was pulled over. Didnt confiscate warn or anything just said thanks for letting me know one wrote a speeding ticket the other let me go :)

[che_diwas]

Marijuana should be legal in the whole wide world. Anyone taking it will not commit any social crimes as of other drug takers....... Booze always creates a enviroment of violence around the world...but its legal....why I cant understand....
If it&#39;s because of health than I see most people dying from booze than from Joint..

Well I smoke it whenever it&#39;s infront of me.... Taking joint and listening to RATM, SyStem of down, Pearl Jam and also reading the Red Literature is my favorite hobby....

Please tell me name of other countries where Marijuana is Legal just like Amsterdamme...

"Dont drink and drive when u can smoke and Fly&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;"

The red salute...

[ricardsju]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 09:17 AM

Everyone I know who has used it has very bad mental problems mostly anxiety, myself included. But then again we were crazy enough to use it at a very young age and some of it was more likey laced with something (rat poison ?)

Or maybe you were just crazy to begin with. Anecdotal evidence is useless.
oh come on it brings out mental illness if you use it alot under 18 its well know, I am not against using as a adult, but youth shouldn&#39;t. A lot of the people I talked of were useing "P" (cheap crap speed), srooms and and other things, someone I knew&#39;s (who once was my friend) sister abused weed and her schizophrenia came out that she may or may not have got later in life, anyway her younger brother did the same thing now he is a greese monkey when he could of been anything (very fucking smart but a real jerk).
Ok well there is not proof in that even If I got someone (his bestfriend? :P ) to post here it still wouldn&#39;t prove it but this may: link (http://webcenter.health.webmd.netscape.com/content/article/105/107823.htm) if you think its bullshit then ask your local legalise Marijuana political party to see what they think&#33;

[Commie Rat]

If it is regulated like alcohol (eg. limits on comsumption. law regarding motoveichle use ect ect) and given the same social status so it is okay to do it public i see no problem.

What is better?
Buying it in 25&#39;s where half of it is grass from some dodgey basterd on the corner then smoking it in the basment when you are scared and nervouse leading to pots eqivalent of a bad trip and possibly ODing and dieing because no one was there to call the ambulance.

Or buying it from a shop or bar where it is labelled and regulated for quantity, quality and strength, doing it in an open happy socialbe atmosphere with faciltites to protect your health and procedures to protect you against ODing.

<_<

Lemmy said in an interview with Britan&#39;s Metal Hammer
" Heroin is a vile, life-destroying drug, the only way to get rid of it is to legalize it"

[Sense-A]

You should be allowed to ingest anything you want into your own body. In your nose, lungs, blood, stomach, whatever. It is your body it is your freedom. Obviously some people will abuse and destroy their own bodies but why waste millions tax money prosecuting and imprisoning them and turning ordinary drug users into the criminal minded?

[Sense-A]

Ricardsju that article is entirely bogus. Only someone with a mental illness would even admit to using marijuana because of the very reason that the penalties are so harsh in some states. A single crumb of marijuana can get you up to 12 months jail time in Virginia for a first offense. Then they start taking away unrelated freedoms such as driving privledges. You get probation for 1 to 5 years where you are submitted to humilation by pissing into cups while some man watches you. He is instructed to confirm that you are using a real penis to fill the cup and not a squirt bottle or thermus. It may be easier for a female to cheat an urine analysis. People court ordered to perform in the probation programs are held responsible for some of the costs, as well as the state tax payers. Many Marijuana users do not smoke tobacoo at all.

Basically my personal belief is to let anyone, even my friends, put what they want into their bodies. Educate them of whats good for them and whats not. Some will listen some will be rebels. As long as they obey the laws then there is no problem. If an alcoholic is breaking the law then arrest him for breaking the law, not for being an alcoholic. It is the state that sells these alcoholics their liqour is it not? The Alcohol Beverage Control regulated by the state. But don&#39;t arrest an alcoholic because he is innocently drinking a beer on his own property that is illegally in &#39;public view&#39;. The hypocricies of all this are absurd to me.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

RE: Legalisation. I am totally in favour of complete legalisation of use, possession and cultivation. This is a given in classless society, but in the context of class society, legalisation will free up resources to bust people who commit actual crimes, eg rape and murder.

RE: Driving under the influence. Most people become risk averse when high. They are very unlikely to floor it compared to someone who&#39;s shitfaced or hopped up on stimulants (cocaine, amphetamines and even caffeine).
I still think it&#39;s not a good idea, the best way in my opinion to discourage this sort of behaviour is to make it socially unacceptable - don&#39;t underestimate peer pressure. Put it to use.

RE: Age limits. There should be absolutely no age limits in my opinion, but if in class society marijuana is legalised it there will almost certainly be penalties for underage possession and cultivation.
I think responsible drink and drug use should be taught from the early teens at the latest - when people turn 18 (Or 21 in the US) they have no idea what to do with themselves and sometimes overdo it. I reckon that if responsible drinking/drugging is encouraged at an earlier age, people will know their limits more and are more likely to have good habits ingrained into them.

The worst thing about this subject is that I have no weed on me, and even though I have the money to buy some more, I won&#39;t be able to get some until the weekend :(

[drain.you]

Which part of the U.K. are you from? Most my friends have not been as lucky, and where I live they have attempted to slap supply charges on my friends 3 times for less than an eighth.

I&#39;m from the North-East. Both resin and green are widely available, most easiest to get at the park infront of my college during the summer but of course its available from fellow students and dodgy people in council houses all year long. I&#39;ve seen a guy with absolute tons of packets of green in his backpack that he carries around in college, I once bought £10s worth of green from him and he had to search his bag to find it caus most of the stuff he was carrying was like £20-£100s worth in plastic packets. Yeah but seriously, its no problem to get it up here, I thought it was the same everywhere. If you having difficulties getting it just go to a decent sized city and ask people who &#39;look the type&#39;. weird how much drugs circulate without being caught.


I once saw this document on the use of weed, it was going on about how many people die from alcohol, tobacco and other drugs per year and then it went on to say that theres never been a case of a person dying from marijuanna use. Not sure if its true but I&#39;ve never known of anyone die from it. It appears harmless, far safer than alcohol which can make people very violent, weed just chills people out, removes pain and gives satisfaction.

I dont encourage drug use :P

[Ol' Dirty]

With certain restrictions, sure. People should be able to injest what they want, as long as long as they don&#39;t hurt other people. But if they do, they&#39;re stupid mutha-fuckas, and should be locked up by the people&#39;s police.

[Lola]

Alcohol and Tobacco are both way worse for you and they are legalized and socially acceptable, ironically.

So I say yes.