dictatorship or democracy [Archive]

Revulero

15th February 2006, 01:13

A dream i would have is a gran socialist nation where i see no people suffering from malnutrition and poverty (which is the effect of capitalism).

But in this dream i always wonder which is better democracy or dictatorship and if i had to pick i would pick democracy because this is the peoples government and i believe the people should vote for everything not like the US where you can only vote for representatives, but something where people would vote to veto a law or something like that.

The only thing i see bad in a democratic government is corruption as for dictatorship the only good thing i see is that there would be less corruption.

So whats better??????????

ReD_ReBeL

15th February 2006, 01:20

well....In our current society i would choose a Dictatorship of the prolatariat, which isn't a one man dictatorship but a class dictatorship for the workers.The workers need this sort of power to get them back where they should be ie. making choices cooperatively instead of being demanded by an business owner.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 01:40

But should'nt it be the peoples choice!!!!!!!!!!

ReD_ReBeL

15th February 2006, 01:50

Well going by what you said, that means since the majority of people in the US voted for George Bush then it is ok? so he can go on exploiting workers in the US and also in third world countries, you think that is ok? well u must since the 'people' voted it. Paying them less and working them harder just to meet demand, doesnt sounds like the majority would really like that. It is through a biased media that these people like Bush and Blair and Arrayo get away with these things and manipulate the voter into something there not.

bpyke

15th February 2006, 01:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 01:47 AM
well....In our current society i would choose a Dictatorship of the prolatariat, which isn't a one man dictatorship but a class dictatorship for the workers.The workers need this sort of power to get them back where they should be ie. making choices cooperatively instead of being demanded by an business owner.
This is what I don't understand about communism. Wouldn't a council of dictators or any type of government give a class structure to the society??

ReD_ReBeL

15th February 2006, 01:54

Bpyke, what you quoted of mine was a Socialist concept not communist.

ReD_ReBeL

15th February 2006, 01:56

in Communism there is no state or authority. in Socialism the workers lead.

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:00

Corruption is limited in a democracy because the leaders have to get reelected if they want to stay in power, and people don't like corruption. However in a dictator ship, the ruling body does not have as much fear for the repercussions of its actions, and thus, is more likely to have corruption rampant in its halls.
People are more likely to comply as well, if the leader elected, by them, with someone they may not have supported in the beginning, and having no say in his or her staying in power, the people are more likely to rebel and overthrow the government.

More Fire for the People

15th February 2006, 02:03

Man is conscious and responsible for his own freedom. The inevitable struggle of this consciousness towards freedom can only result in a democratic, anarchist, society. The dictatorship of man over man is on the brink of extinction as men are now opposed to such a notion.

bpyke

15th February 2006, 02:04

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 02:23 AM
in Communism there is no state or authority. in Socialism the workers lead.
Thanks ;)

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:05

but bush is a freakin capitalist and they are corrupted, but how about us i doubt our leader we voted would be like him.

Anyways how about if we were to try seperation of powers where no one gets to much power or if every leader we voted for has the same amount of power

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:05

This is what I don't understand about communism. Wouldn't a council of dictators or any type of government give a class structure to the society??

wouldn't that make it a republic? Anyway, if the leaders that are in power make and unpopular decision in a dictator ship, it will have a very limited effect on their power, their would be little repercussion. You need a democracy, and a total one, not just one group of people in charge of the rest, the workers cannot rule the elites, this would spread discontent among the elites, and lead to rebelion. All members of the governd must have power in the goverment.

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:07

Power needs to be separated, a system of checks and balances must be maintained, others wise members of the government will do whatever they want with little fear of repercussions, their needs to be a balance of power, with each side giving in to the others will.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:13

You're right but its just so difficult this is one thing that seperates us leftist, maybe we should all unite and vote on it: democracy or dictatorship

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:17

if we were voting on it, that would make it a democracy right? i assume a dictator ship would just take power, without a popular vote.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:23

you are right again i guess you even need democracy in any situation even in proletarian dictatorship

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:28

i guess a dictator ship of more than one person in control is technicly impossible. But it could work, just mabey not as well??? i guess...

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:33

i guess but when the US falls and socialism rises we are going to have to choose
I think we should plan everything before the day comes and it might as well be right now

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:36

pack some beef jerky and water, i'll be livin large when the revilution comes.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:42

well when the day comes i hope im still alive

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:45

yea, might be a while. Might wana look into cryogenics as well.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 02:51

what is cryogenics?????????

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 02:56

oh, it's that thing, where they freeze you, apperantly that prevents your bodey and brain cells from decaying, so when they find a cure for let's say, something like cancer, and a cancer patiant has been cryogenicly frozen, he can be reawakend and cured. It's uhhhh, kinda experimental, it sort of works on bugs, sorta.....

Revulero

15th February 2006, 03:02

wow never knew that it existed

thats cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hamperleft

15th February 2006, 03:18

yea, if it worked, needs about ten more years of development. In the mean time, try not to get cancer.

Revulero

15th February 2006, 03:24

i aint worried about it my grandparents didnt die from cancer

i dont think its in my genes

Revulero

15th February 2006, 03:26

it seems that no one else is interested in this thread just me and u

Revulero

15th February 2006, 03:38

So i leave it to all of yall comrades for the future of us and are kids and grand kids: democracy or dicttorship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hamperleft

16th February 2006, 01:45

dude, were not even on the thread anymore, were talking about cancer. That might be why, not sure though.