Russia Rising

[Social Greenman]

Okay boys and girls here is a National Geographic Flash of 10 years after the Commies dismantled their government in favor for capitalism. This is a mix of truth and propaganda. Of course, this is another good reason to abandon Marxist-Leninism since dictatorships don't work. An associaltion of free producers and Time Labor Vouchers may be the next plan of action.

http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/dat.../media.1.2.html (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/data/2001/11/01/sights_n_sounds/media.1.2.html)

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

What is so good about this? The last part regarding youth especially concerned me - ooo wow great! They can now run around at 4 in the morning listening to horrific noises called "music", with pierced tongues and spliffs in their mouths. They can then go home and play violent video games and become obese by eating junk food. Is this good or bad?!

They have become dumbed down, just as youth in the West is. This is why the USSR collapsed, because the Western forces trying to make it collapse targeted young and impressionable youth and made them rebel against...erm...well...having a guranteed house, job and medical care?! Yay now we can get stoned and watch porn all day!

Whats this crap about the older generation being haunted by terror and repression and off shortages? None of my older relatives in Eastern Europe are haunted by these things, many actually miss their old country. This is why the Communist Party has the majority of seats in the Duma in Russia, and so many people still feel strong nostalgia for the old days.

[Social Greenman]

My, it took awhile for a post to appear. Repeat alert! The reality is: the people of the Soviet Union were so miserable that even the leaders of the system were miserable. They had the political power to abolish their system, and so they did. Many people, of both classes, made the error of assuming that individual freedom and prosperity are correlated with capitalism, and therefore, unfortunately, they put their faith in capitalism. The Communist Party upper layer of bosses were now reclassified as wealthy corporate stockholders who personally owned the industries that they used to rule as political appointees.

Leninism has it's own seeds of materialist destrucction being authoritarian which left many workers out of the decision making in each industry which is undemocratic. Secondly, using money as currency which made it all the more easy for Western forces to use as a carrot on a stick. Thirdly, state capitalism to run the economy instead of having a free association of producers (industrial form of government) and the use of time labor vouchers. It easy to point fingers at everone else but themselves.

[Angry Young Man]

mind numbing bourgeois propaganda. sure it said "theres no lines", in truth thats because its a survival of the fittest state in which few get too much and many get too little

[Dreckt]

The way I see it is that the people long for the benefits of the old days. Free housing, medicare and schooling. But I also think they wanted more for their society - things the west had, only they never got it.

However, there are still things left from the old days. While society may have looked good on the outside, there were many bad things too. Let us face the truth: the supposedly "socialist" system in Russia came all too early. They never got through capitalism.

And even if the Soviet Union was functioning today, it would only be a matter of time before they installed a capitalist economy, like China, Vietnam, Laos etc.