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Intifada
12th February 2006, 19:59
Tony Blair has said claims of abuse by soldiers "will be investigated" after images that appeared to show UK troops beating Iraqi youths were published.
The News of the World has published pictures from a video the newspaper says was shot in southern Iraq in 2004.

Mr Blair said the overwhelming majority of UK troops in Iraq behave properly and do a "great job for our country and for the wider world".

The Ministry of Defence has launched an investigation into the video images.

A military spokesman in Iraq condemned "all acts of abuse and brutality" by British troops, saying the allegations related to a "tiny number" of soldiers.

On the tape, described as a "secret home video", an unidentified cameraman is heard laughing and urging his colleagues on. It was apparently filmed for fun by a corporal.

The Ministry of Defence said it was aware of the allegations, which are being investigated by the Royal Military Police.

The prime minister, who is currently in South Africa where he is attending a summit on poverty and development, said the presence of troops in Iraq was "helping Iraq to become the democracy they want to be" and "of fundamental importance".

Meanwhile, speaking on the BBC's Sunday AM programme, Chancellor Gordon Brown said the "loyal, hard-working, decent troops" in Iraq would see the allegations as a "slight on their great work".

Those responsible would be brought to trial.

British military spokesman Flight Lieutenant Chris Thomas, based in Basra, said: "We hope that the good relations that the multi-national forces have worked very hard to develop won't be adversely affected by this material."

He said the newspaper's claims related "to only a tiny number of the 80,000 personnel that have served in Iraq".

The tape allegedly shows a disturbance in the street outside what the paper calls a military compound.

Soldiers are shown chasing youths involved in the disturbance, dragging four of them into the compound and beating them on various parts of the body with batons and kicking them, one in the genitals.

The recording is said to show an attack lasting a minute, with 42 blows counted.

The News of the World said a soldier could also be seen kicking a dead Iraqi in the face.

'Shocking pictures'

Home Office minister Andy Burnham told the BBC: "The pictures are shocking and that's why I think the MoD are right and I'm pleased that they've said they'll carry out a full in depth and very quick investigation.

"That's what needs to be done so that people can have, we can find out the facts and we can make sure that if there is serious wrongdoing then there's appropriate action taken."

The paper claims it has established the soldiers involved were British, but would not disclose which unit or regiment were allegedly involved.

It said it has made exhaustive checks to establish the video's authenticity after obtaining the footage from a whistleblower, who they declined to identify.

Managing editor Stuart Kuttner said: "We've made enquires of the source, of people around the source, of military experts, of the Ministry of Defence and beyond.

"Given that there was a slip-up by a newspaper some time ago, we've satisfied ourselves that this was an absolutely genuine article."

The Ministry of Defence said it took any allegations of abuse very seriously.

The Army's chief General Sir Mike Jackson launched an inquiry last year into the issue of whether pre-deployment training was adequate.

Abuse allegations had damaged the Army but a cover-up would be worse, he said.

Three British soldiers were jailed last year after a prisoner abuse scandal at an aid camp in Iraq.

But photographs published by the Daily Mirror purporting to show soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment abusing Iraqi detainees were revealed to be fakes.

Officials at the International Criminal Court, meanwhile, have told lawyers for civilians who claim they were tortured by British troops in Iraq that they would not be bringing prosecutions.

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705482.stm)

drain.you
12th February 2006, 23:47
I've seen clips of this tape on the news a couple times now.
I really oppose death penalty but army personel who are clearly disregarding human rights like that should be put up against a wall and shot.
Its not just criminal but its racist and abuse of power. It makes me fucking sick. I wish I had no connections with Britain at all. I opposed the war but now we are in there we must try and help the situation but this shit is the complete opposite of help. OMG, I am really outraged at this shit. I know theres been other abuse of Iraqis by UK and US troops but this seems one of the worst to surface to the world's media.
It makes me so sick but I can see how its happening. Its all the fucking bullies that taunted me in school who have dropped out of education and joined the army and now they're not taunting people, they are beating people to shit and laughing at it, recording it and taking pictures. I am really disgusted. I would take a gun to these dickheads any day.

Comrade Ben
13th February 2006, 00:05
Take a gun to their heads anyday? How about today? This is the reason these nations must be toppeled. It has besmirched the name of democracy, so now, let true utopia fill the void! Workers of the world unite! Overthrow Mein Fuhrer Bush!

WUOrevolt
13th February 2006, 00:14
This is not the worst that has happened. The media has shown nothing about the gang raping of Iraqi prisoners.

rioters bloc
13th February 2006, 00:16
eurgh. i finally saw the video this morning.

words fail me.

ReD_ReBeL
13th February 2006, 00:18
Yes this is very bad , and a total disrespect for human life and abuse of Power, HOWEVER we have to analyse this and see what there reasons where. I'm not condoning these acts i would just like an explanation.
I've noticed when shit like this happens in Cuba against 'counter-revolutionaries' everybody is for it and waits for a valid reason. So why aren't we not doing this now? or else it is just total hypocrisy.


Its not just criminal but its racist

If i(being white and scottish) was to punch a black african for a valid reason, would that make me a racist? People just on the racist card too quickly far to much. Not every white human being is racist.


But anyway if there was a reason or not it is a cowardly act, and i do condem it.

WUOrevolt
13th February 2006, 00:41
Red Rebel, not everyone here likes Cubas' government or what they do to "counter revolutionaries." I for one don't.

rioters bloc
13th February 2006, 00:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 11:45 AM
Yes this is very bad , and a total disrespect for human life and abuse of Power, HOWEVER we have to analyse this and see what there reasons where. I'm not condoning these acts i would just like an explanation.
i'd say their reasons are that they have a total disrespect for human life and that they have power, and want to abuse it. i'm not sure what other reasons you're looking for exactly. the teenagers were throwing stones at them. is that the kinda explanation you're after? does that legitimise what they did?

ReD_ReBeL
13th February 2006, 01:38
(WUOrevolt)

not everyone here likes Cubas' government or what they do to "counter revolutionaries." I for one don't.

Yes i know but the majority of the posts on this forum are pro-Castro. they are somewhat cheerleaders for the Castro regime. Don't get me wrong im not against everything he stands for but he's tends to play up to blaiming 'counter-revolutionaries' . not every Cuban who opposes Castro is a counter revolutionary.

(Rioters Bloc)

the teenagers were throwing stones at them. is that the kinda explanation you're after? does that legitimise what they did?

Ok no that is not a good enough reason for the extent the british soldiers took there voilence. also your using a very agressive use of language on the last part of your sentence. I did say earlier on this thread i condemned this act of brutality.

Tekun
13th February 2006, 02:28
I've seen this clip, and it doesn't surprise me

There are worse things happening in Iraq
These images just scratch the surface of what is occurring over there

These actions warrant an investigation, but as we've seen in the past, these investigations punish those at the bottom of the chain of command, and not at the top where the real indifference for humanity lies

This is gonna continue as long as the coalition is in Iraq, I hope the Iraqi's continue to oppose the occupation

Kia
13th February 2006, 03:44
(sorry im not use to using forums so ill ignore the quoting button for now)

total disrespect for human life? Not true. As most of us know, war turns people into the most vile living things on the planet. The people who did this probably forgot that infront of them were Human beings, not inanimate objects. Im not saying what they did was okay, it completely and utterly not, but theyre not completely to blame.

I agree, these kinds of acts will continue to happen as long as iraq is occupied (and probably afterwards too). The more the general population knows about this the better, some people still need to wake the f**k up and realize that the occupying countries arnt perfect symbols of human rights and ethics (far f**king from it). Also realize that

Tormented by Treachery
13th February 2006, 05:38
Where can I find a link for watching the video?

Commie Rat
13th February 2006, 06:31
And this suprieses people?

really? :blink:

BattleOfTheCowshed
13th February 2006, 06:35
No surprises, just more evidence of the brutal Imperialism being perpetrated in Iraq. I don't know where you can find the video, but the original 'News of the World' story can be found here: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

leftist resistance
13th February 2006, 09:20
:angry:

damn those bastards

Vladislav
13th February 2006, 09:45
The fucked thing is that the guy who was taping it was cheering and laughing.Stupid motherfucker.

rioters bloc
13th February 2006, 10:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 01:05 PM
(Rioters Bloc)

the teenagers were throwing stones at them. is that the kinda explanation you're after? does that legitimise what they did?

Ok no that is not a good enough reason for the extent the british soldiers took there voilence. also your using a very agressive use of language on the last part of your sentence. I did say earlier on this thread i condemned this act of brutality.
i apologise for being belligerent. i'd just seen the video prior to posting and so was quite heated up by it, and it did seem as though you were partially condoning their actions - i really fail to see what a few teenagers could have done to armed soldiers which would in your eyes be a reasonable explanation for bashing them to the point where one became unconscious.

loveme4whoiam
13th February 2006, 19:40
The fucked thing is that the guy who was taping it was cheering and laughing.Stupid motherfucker.
That almost pissed me off more than the fucking beatings themselves. I watched the video on ITV News at Six (now 60% more trendy, fucking idiots), and it had the caption "Video: News of the World" in the corner. Yet nothing has been mentioned by anyone the laughter. If that guy is a NOTW freelancer (I assume he is) then he should face the same punishment those soldiers are going to get. And you know what - the media won't bat an eyelid and that bastard will get off scott fucking free :angry:

Intifada
13th February 2006, 19:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 08:07 PM
If that guy is a NOTW freelancer (I assume he is) then he should face the same punishment those soldiers are going to get. And you know what - the media won't bat an eyelid and that bastard will get off scott fucking free :angry:
I am sure that the video was taken by a soldier.

What pisses me off the most are the bastards who just stood there and watched the beatings, of what were essentially kids.

bolshevik butcher
13th February 2006, 20:41
Yeh it was sick, but infitfada they probably would have been shot ofr intervening.

drain.you
13th February 2006, 21:22
This is not the worst that has happened. The media has shown nothing about the gang raping of Iraqi prisoners.

Note that I did not say its the worst that has happened, I said one of the worst to surface to the world's media.


If i(being white and scottish) was to punch a black african for a valid reason, would that make me a racist?
To be fair, with the example we are discussing, the British army could not argue that there is a valid reason, how can such beatings be justified at all? Its abuse of power, its racism, it goes against what "our" armed forces claims to be doing in Iraq. And Yes, I do think that alot of ''our'' soldiers out there are racist. In fact I think the majority of the British people are racist, a harsh generalisation but I hear racism every day, where ever I go. Its disgusting.


I am sure that the video was taken by a soldier.
Yeah I heard that a corporal had asked a soldier to record it but dunno if thats true. Its definately not a freelance though.

Oh and may I ask why people are coming into this thread and saying stuff like 'and this suprises you?'. What are they trying to say? That it happens and we should get over it. It disgusts us and we want it to stop and alot of people keep acting like its not a big deal. I think 100soldiers dying is not a big deal, after all we invaded, what could we expect but casualities but what I do not expect is "our" army being so fucking horrible.

Janus
13th February 2006, 22:17
Terrible. It has just shown what the occupational forces have been reduced to. Anyone can say that war does this to people, but it still is certainly not justified and the soldiers were acting out of their own will. But like the others have stated, this could just the trickle that we are able to see. I'm sure that worse things have occured in Iraq but just haven't been revealed yet.

Goatse
13th February 2006, 22:33
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 13 2006, 09:08 PM
Yeh it was sick, but infitfada they probably would have been shot ofr intervening.
Indeed. The reporter served the world better by revealing this, rather than throwing away their own life.

EDIT: I just read on the site that it was taken by a soldier.

Anyway, I heard on the radio the British government was trying to block this footage. I may have misheard, but it wouldn't surprise me anyway.

MeTaLhEaD
14th February 2006, 02:03
Here is the video!

http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx (http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx)

And
Real video
together_300.ram (http://www.redconvoz.org/IMG/ram/together_300.ram)

Conghaileach
15th February 2006, 20:55
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 01:45 AM

Its not just criminal but its racist

If i(being white and scottish) was to punch a black african for a valid reason, would that make me a racist?
That would depend on why you hit him, or her.

ReD_ReBeL
15th February 2006, 22:33
a valid reason wouldent be because of the persons skin colour, than would make it a pathetic reason not valid.