Dominican Communist Party

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http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=7842

Communist’s resignation marks the end of DR’s leftist movement

Narciso Isa Conde for the last 30 years is synonymous with the Dominican Communist Party, recently fused with the Force of the Revolution, but now, with his resignation, marks the end of the country’s leftist movement.

And the most convincing evidence of this demise came yesterday when the Force of the Revolution said in a statement that his resignation harms the socialist movement and serves as "excuses" for the worse sectors to “degrade, divide and debilitate” the Dominican leftist groups.

Unable to obtain the minimum amount of votes (2.5%) needed to maintain their legal rights as a political party in last year’s presidential elections, the leftist umbrella Force of the Revolution must now yield its tiny space to the more center-leaning entity Nueva Alternativa (New Alternative), the only group still considered as having a socialist platform.

Despite invoking historic figures in its IV Ernesto Guevara Congress held last October, the event insipidly came and went as the party’s most senior leaders did not attend -neither Isa Conde nor the other stalwart Fernando Peña- and where the participants reportedly were fractioning into groups.

Dominican society has a debt with the leftists, because many of them fell as patriots during the last years of the Trujillo era and later in the successive regimes of Joaquin Balaguer.

Today with even communist China embracing market capitalism, the Dominican leftists lost a clear orientation to keep their ideals on course, and apparently have been unable to economically capitalize on the political victories of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez.



This article is saying that the idea of leftism is dying and close to death. I feel that the Dominican Republic (along with Haiti) are in desperate need of a revolution. How do people feel about this article, the president of the Dominican Republic (Leonel Fernandez) and just dominican history/politics?

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Dominican Republic is in need of a revolution. The government over there is just so corrupt it's insane. That whole central bank corruption under Hipolito alone nearly bankrupted the whole nation.

I think leftism in D.R. is dying but thats because the left isn't so active. Also it doesn't help that the majority of people over there are hardcore Christians n conservative.
The communist party can definitely be revived.

But remember Juan Bosch was a socialist and wanted to install a socialist state until that coup fucked it all up. Then the civil war and U.S president Lyndon Johnson claiming "DR is full of communists" and invaded, pretty much crushing any socialist element. The U.S backed Balaguer (Trujillo's right hand man and former dictator who ordered the deaths of atleast 20,000 haitians :angry: ) and if you know anything about D.R. history you know how things went on years after.

I've been to D.R. atleast 20 times and you could see how bad people want a change. Everyone over there is so obsessed with politics it's crazy, just ask any Dominican. The party just needs to be organized. I want to start something there.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Juan Bosch was a bourgeois liberal nationalist, he was most certainly not a "socialist".

The Communist Party of the Dominican Republic (PACOREDO) was a reformist, semi-reactionary electoral party. They called several times for an end to the "the massive invasion by Haitians" and a stop to any ideas of merging the island as one federated republic.


I want to start something there.

Something has already been started there, Movimiento de la Gente Libre. http://www.fpm-mgl.org

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Juan Bosch was a bourgeois liberal nationalist, he was most certainly not a "socialist".

Juan Bosch advocated socialist programs is what I meant, that pretty much was the end of him when he did that.



Something has already been started there, Movimiento de la Gente Libre. http://www.fpm-mgl.org

Yeah I seen that link before but what exactly are they doing in D.R? Not much noise at all. I have family all over D.R. very active politically and here nothhing about this specific group.


They called several times for an end to the "the massive invasion by Haitians"

They called for the end of illegal immigration, they don't call for end of the Haitians period like many parties.


a stop to any ideas of merging the island as one federated republic.

:unsure: Like merging the island is a good idea. I don't think so.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah I seen that link before but what exactly are they doing in D.R? Not much noise at all. I have family all over D.R. very active politically and here nothhing about this specific group.

In the repressive climate of the DR I wouldn't answer pig questions like that. But we certainly are active.

I think you said your family is around Mao & Esperenza, and no we're not particularly active there, but we have "made noise" in areas on the North coast, around la Capital, and in the Southeast (without getting too specific for the same reasons mentioned above). We're the only group in the country calling for full citizenship for all immigrants, "Dominican-Hatians" and "Black" Dominicans, which is more than I can say for groups like the PTD who only go as far as calling for citizenship for all children born in the DR (which is already guaranteed in the fucking constitution!).

The branch is also a part of an organization with members in North & South America, Europe, Asia & Africa. All together we've made more "noise" in our three years of existance than alot of the "official" left has in decades.


They called for the end of illegal immigration, they don't call for end of the Haitians period like many parties.

1. Communists don't recognize "illegal immigration" as a legitimate concept.

2. Communists fight for full citizenship of all immigrants across the globe.


Like merging the island is a good idea. I don't think so.

Think again. Communists fight for the merging of the world.

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In the repressive climate of the DR I wouldn't answer pig questions like that. But we certainly are active.

LOL ok.


I think you said your family is around Mao & Esperenza, and no we're not particularly active there, but we have "made noise" in areas on the North coast, around la Capital, and in the Southeast (without getting too specific for the same reasons mentioned above).

I have family all literally all over. The places I mentioned before are without a doubt the poorest, this kind of help should be all over.


We're the only group in the country calling for full citizenship for all immigrants, "Dominican-Hatians" and "Black" Dominicans, which is more than I can say for groups like the PTD who only go as far as calling for citizenship for all children born in the DR (which is already guaranteed in the fucking constitution!).

Ah you see thats the trouble. That supreme court decsion settled that. All children of illegals can't be citizens. Yeah its fucked up, I respect your struggle, anything I can do to help let me know.



1. Communists don't recognize "illegal immigration" as a legitimate concept.

2. Communists fight for full citizenship of all immigrants across the globe.

For a group to exist in D.R. it must be against "illegal immigration," perhaps this group can change some peoples mind but thats a long shot.


Think again. Communists fight for the merging of the world.

You should know that's not a realistic goal, at all.

[bolsheviki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 06:39 AM
I think you said your family is around Mao & Esperenza, and no we're not particularly active there, but we have "made noise" in areas on the North coast, around la Capital, and in the Southeast (without getting too specific for the same reasons mentioned above). We're the only group in the country calling for full citizenship for all immigrants, "Dominican-Hatians" and "Black" Dominicans, which is more than I can say for groups like the PTD who only go as far as calling for citizenship for all children born in the DR (which is already guaranteed in the fucking constitution!).

The branch is also a part of an organization with members in North & South America, Europe, Asia & Africa. All together we've made more "noise" in our three years of existance than alot of the "official" left has in decades.

Hello, I am a supporter of the Internationalist Group, U.S. section of the League for the Fourth International. Our organization has recently put out two statements: The first on the increased Dominican government sponsored attacks, including the lynch mob attack some three weeks ago of Haitians and black Dominicans at Fao in Guerra in the Dominican Republic. And the second is our statement on the recent elections in Haiti. The first statement (http://www.internationalist.org/haitiandominicanpersecution0601.html) can be viewed at: www.internationalist.org/haitiandominicanpersecution0601.htm and the second we hope to have online soon.

Since the FPM has written that it is doing work in the Dominican Republic I wanted to extend a friendly invitation to any members the FPM may have in New York City to join us at the regular protests outside the Dominican Consulate where the IG along with several Haitian groups have been protesting the persecutions and deportations of Haitians by the Dominican government. Protests have usually occurred on the first Friday of the month from 5-6:30 pm in front of the Dominican Consulate, Broadway between 43-44th Street.

I invite everyone to read the statement at internationalist.org and to comment on it.

Today the League for the Fourth International seeks to forge the nuclei of future Trotskyist vanguard parties to lead the internationalist struggle which can finally turn the lush Pearl of the Antilles into a tropical paradise for all.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Since the FPM has written that it is doing work in the Dominican Republic I wanted to extend a friendly invitation to any members the FPM may have in New York City to join us at the regular protests outside the Dominican Consulate where the IG along with several Haitian groups have been protesting the persecutions and deportations of Haitians by the Dominican government. Protests have usually occurred on the first Friday of the month from 5-6:30 pm in front of the Dominican Consulate, Broadway between 43-44th Street.

I'm almost positive that some members in NY have protested along side a contingent from Iglesia San Romero de las Americas, but thanks for the invitation comrade.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

LOL ok.

Yeah, the safety of people in a repressive state with a history of political "disappearances" is really a funny thing. Laugh it up.


I have family all literally all over. The places I mentioned before are without a doubt the poorest, this kind of help should be all over.

We have members "all over", so I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not sure if the areas around Esperenza are "without a doubt the poorest". I've been all over the country, and there are dire conditions of poverty in every province. The worst I've seen was around Pedernales.


For a group to exist in D.R. it must be against "illegal immigration," perhaps this group can change some peoples mind but thats a long shot.

That's funny, because I swore I just said that our group both exists and fights for full citizenship for all immigrants the world over.


You should know that's not a realistic goal, at all.

Study some communist theory and get back to me.

[GoaRedStar]

I lived in a place call Amina which is in between Mao and Esperenza and yeah people are poor there but I wouldnt said that it is the poorest place in the DR.

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Yeah, the safety of people in a repressive state with a history of political "disappearances" is really a funny thing. Laugh it up.

<_< Please don&#39;t be ridiculous. Your not going to disappear. Get it off your head.


We have members "all over", so I&#39;m not sure what to tell you. I&#39;m not sure if the areas around Esperenza are "without a doubt the poorest".

As far as the region, yes it is, believe me. But am not even from there. :unsure: Don&#39;t know where you got that from.


I&#39;ve been all over the country, and there are dire conditions of poverty in every province. The worst I&#39;ve seen was around Pedernales.

Well aren&#39;t all the provinces near the border dire? You need to elaborate on what exactly this group has done in D.R.


Study some communist theory and get back to me.

I have, but I know what&#39;s reality.


I lived in a place call Amina which is in between Mao and Esperenza and yeah people are poor there but I wouldnt said that it is the poorest place in the DR.

Don&#39;t know where you both got that from. I lived in San Pedro and Boca Chica. But I family in Santiago, SD, and Puerto Plata.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I have, but I know what&#39;s reality.

Oh, ok. In that case why are you here? You already "know what&#39;s reality", so you don&#39;t need to discuss or debate anything with anyone.

I have nothing else to say, because what can I add to someone that "knows what&#39;s reality."

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Oh, ok. In that case why are you here? You already "know what&#39;s reality", so you don&#39;t need to discuss or debate anything with anyone.

The reality is your not getting kidnapped. :lol: You really are paranoid.

Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post. <_<

In fact you don&#39;t have to respond to each one my statements.

But please tell me what does the group your in do in D.R. And what you have done with the group?