Proletarian, Petty-Bourgeois, and Bourgeois

[which doctor]

These are just some defintions that I came up with.

Proletarian: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is greater than the value in which the worker receives as his pay.

Petty-Bourgeois: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is less than the value in which the worker receives as his pay. One who relies on the wage-labor system to maintain their current standard of living. One who does not own any means of production

Bourgeois: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is less than the value in which the worker receives as his pay. One who does not rely on the wage-labor system to maintain their current standard of living. One who owns the means of production.

Any comments?

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 9 2006, 06:36 PM
These are just some defintions that I came up with.

Proletarian: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is greater than the value in which the worker receives as his pay.

Petty-Bourgeois: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is less than the value in which the worker receives as his pay. One who relies on the wage-labor system to maintain their current standard of living. One who does not own any means of production

Bourgeois: One who's value of the goods he/she produces is less than the value in which the worker receives as his pay. One who does not rely on the wage-labor system to maintain their current standard of living. One who owns the means of production.

Any comments?
The class relations of capitalism are defined on property and one's position on the means of production.

A Proletarian is a person who possesses no private property that is capable of producing surplus value. To live, one has to give their labor to the capitalist, who in turn pays the worker a smaller portion of the profits that the capitalist recieve - profits that come from the worker in the time that he is off the job.

A Petit-Bourgeois is a person who possesses private property, but remains at a level in which the person is not capable of expanding his markets to become a real, big bourgeoisie or has the ability, but stays at the position for a phetora of reasons.

A Bourgeois is a person who is control of private property, has expanded his or her markets and has made the most effective use of the workforce he or she has through the right manufacturing production technigues and/or the right kind of advertisement that would attract more people to get control of the services she or he provides.

I think your definition does not really take into consideration the use of private property and how does private property have a most important praxis in the Capitalist mode of production. If you wish to respond, then procede to it.

[which doctor]

If a proletarian is one who possesses no private property then very few people are actual proletarians. That sounds more like an actual slave or serf to me.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 9 2006, 08:01 PM
If a proletarian is one who possesses no private property then very few people are actual proletarians. That sounds more like an actual slave or serf to me.
I said no private property that can reproduce surplus value - that means proletarians are not in control of the instruments of the means of production, Petit-Bourgeois and Bourgeois are.

The means of production are based on the ownership of private property by the small
Capitalists (Petit-Bourgeois) and the big Capitalists (Bourgeois).

you may own a house, but if you do not control and own any private property that can allow you to gain control of machinery, property from which services can be provided, or anything that can allow the reproduction of wealth on a large or massive scale from the productivity of the workforce, then you are a proletarian.