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Rawthentic
8th February 2006, 23:12
Ive been thinking how people say that you should, " be the change you wish to see in the world." So what things would you or should you give up to work for the cause? How to act, what to buy, what not to buy, etc. Thanks comrades :)

redstar2000
8th February 2006, 23:24
People who say that you "should be the change you wish to see in the world" are not serious revolutionaries.

Being revolutionary is not a "lifestyle choice"...it's a matter of purposeful activity designed to "fan the flames of discontent", as the old I.W.W. put it.

What we want to encourage is the uprising of tens of millions of people to utterly destroy the existing despotism of capital.

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Sense-A
8th February 2006, 23:31
I am fairly new to the forum. Yet I must say that Americans are far too content and complacent to form a revolution. Things will have to get far worse than a 9-11 attack for people to turn off their tv's, leave their meals and go into the streets or gather.

I'm not sure what cause you are talking about, however, not paying your taxes would be a good beginning of rebellion in this country.

WUOrevolt
9th February 2006, 00:01
I would start buying all your clothes from sweatshop free retailers.

Janus
9th February 2006, 00:37
People who say that you "should be the change you wish to see in the world" are not serious revolutionaries.
Redstar is right, people who mainly focus on that are considered lifestylists rather than true revolutionaries. The true revolutionary should focus more on his society and particularly the workers' movement that just trying to change his lifestyle.

Ol' Dirty
9th February 2006, 00:41
I disagree.

Bassicaly, revolutionaries want a quick, positive change that would be beneficial to as many people as possible... but there are many different types of revolutionaries, and, and many types of revolutions: there are peaceful revolutionaries (MartinLuther King Jr., Ghandi, Nelson Mandella), and there are violent ones (Lenin, Pol Pot, and apparently, redstar2000). There are cultural revolutions, millitary revolutions, and political revolutions. To tag all revolutionaries (and revolutions) as the same thing is pure ignorance.

REally, how can you hope to change the world, if you can't change yourself, first?

OkaCrisis
9th February 2006, 00:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 07:49 PM
Being revolutionary is not a "lifestyle choice"...it's a matter of purposeful activity designed to "fan the flames of discontent", as the old I.W.W. put it.

What we want to encourage is the uprising of tens of millions of people to utterly destroy the existing despotism of capital.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif
Sure, being a "revolutionary" might not include "lifestyle" changes/choices/practices, but being a Communist does. If I'm going to bother to "fan the flames of discontent", I might also bother to engage in some lifestyle practices that do indeed make me not only a better person, but also make me a better Communist.

Isn't living as, and being, the best Communist you can be "Revolutionary"? It may not be tens of millions of people, but it's one more than there otherwise would be. And have you ever heard of leading by example? I am a living manifestation of my beliefs, in every single way, to the best of my ability. In this way, I have turned countless heads, engaged many ears, and maybe even changed a mind or two, or many. I have turned otherwise unaware people on to this "crazy" thing called "Communism" by being myself the best Communist I can be.

I will teach others, as many others as will listen, about Communism, and what it means and what I stand for! And that's how you fan the flames of discontent- by opening up people's eyes to the fact that there is an alternative!

But without being yourself a good example to follow, how can you expect anyone to take your ideas seriously?

I'd like to know how you, Redstar, go about fanning the flames of discontent in your everyday life? Do you consider yourself "revoultionary"?

I'd also like to point out that anyone, simply by virtue of being "leftist" is Revolutionary. We have revolutionary ideas and opinions that we share with eachother, and regardless of whether someone lives their everyday life as a Communist or a Revolutionary (because different situations allow for different levels of true self-expression). Knowledge and ideas are power. Anyone who shares thier knowledge and their ideas with their Comrades is a Revolutionary in my books.

Lastly, all of us have the potential to be Revolutionaries in the sense that you are refering to. When we are one day faced with a Revolutionary situation, anyone who joins the Revolution is revolutionary, no? I think most of us here, given the opportunity, would fight and die for the Revolution. Is that "Revolutionary"? Until then though, what are we supposed to do in the meantime? Drive SUVs and eat lots of cows (who as we speak are grazing vast tracts of African savannah into barren desert wastelands)? Or should we maybe live lifestyles that reflect our beliefs???

Don't discount our efforts to change our lifestyles for the better as counter-revolutionary, or even non-revolutionary. Any effort is action. And all action is Revolutionary.


People who say that you "should be the change you wish to see in the world" are not serious revolutionaries.

Then who is?

Janus
9th February 2006, 00:51
Redstar and I were talking about leftist revolutionaries. No one is tagging all revolutions as the same thing. Of course there has to be some internal individual change before one decides to support a revolution for a better society. However, redstar and I were talking about the supposed "lifestyle" revolutionaries who aren't really serious.

bcbm
9th February 2006, 00:59
Nelson Mandella

Um..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Natio...ical_resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress#Violent_political_resist ance)

Rawthentic
9th February 2006, 03:29
wow, you guys really are retarded. You think that im some lifestylist? jees...im saying that, we'll, im already a convinced and dedicated revolutionary. I wanna know if there are social changes, mental changes etc.. Like a comrade said, " internal individual change." Stop being so fucking cynical. you want me to lie my ass around a big plasma TV ( which i dont have) and read the fucking manifesto? holy crap :angry:

Rawthentic
9th February 2006, 03:32
Originally posted by OkaCrisis+Feb 8 2006, 05:14 PM--> (OkaCrisis @ Feb 8 2006, 05:14 PM)
[email protected] 8 2006, 07:49 PM
Being revolutionary is not a "lifestyle choice"...it's a matter of purposeful activity designed to "fan the flames of discontent", as the old I.W.W. put it.

What we want to encourage is the uprising of tens of millions of people to utterly destroy the existing despotism of capital.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif
Sure, being a "revolutionary" might not include "lifestyle" changes/choices/practices, but being a Communist does. If I'm going to bother to "fan the flames of discontent", I might also bother to engage in some lifestyle practices that do indeed make me not only a better person, but also make me a better Communist.

Isn't living as, and being, the best Communist you can be "Revolutionary"? It may not be tens of millions of people, but it's one more than there otherwise would be. And have you ever heard of leading by example? I am a living manifestation of my beliefs, in every single way, to the best of my ability. In this way, I have turned countless heads, engaged many ears, and maybe even changed a mind or two, or many. I have turned otherwise unaware people on to this "crazy" thing called "Communism" by being myself the best Communist I can be.

I will teach others, as many others as will listen, about Communism, and what it means and what I stand for! And that's how you fan the flames of discontent- by opening up people's eyes to the fact that there is an alternative!

But without being yourself a good example to follow, how can you expect anyone to take your ideas seriously?

I'd like to know how you, Redstar, go about fanning the flames of discontent in your everyday life? Do you consider yourself "revoultionary"?

I'd also like to point out that anyone, simply by virtue of being "leftist" is Revolutionary. We have revolutionary ideas and opinions that we share with eachother, and regardless of whether someone lives their everyday life as a Communist or a Revolutionary (because different situations allow for different levels of true self-expression). Knowledge and ideas are power. Anyone who shares thier knowledge and their ideas with their Comrades is a Revolutionary in my books.

Lastly, all of us have the potential to be Revolutionaries in the sense that you are refering to. When we are one day faced with a Revolutionary situation, anyone who joins the Revolution is revolutionary, no? I think most of us here, given the opportunity, would fight and die for the Revolution. Is that "Revolutionary"? Until then though, what are we supposed to do in the meantime? Drive SUVs and eat lots of cows (who as we speak are grazing vast tracts of African savannah into barren desert wastelands)? Or should we maybe live lifestyles that reflect our beliefs???

Don't discount our efforts to change our lifestyles for the better as counter-revolutionary, or even non-revolutionary. Any effort is action. And all action is Revolutionary.


People who say that you "should be the change you wish to see in the world" are not serious revolutionaries.

Then who is? [/b]
thank u comrade for stating it as it is. You at least know what I am talking about :)

Janus
9th February 2006, 03:38
You think that im some lifestylist?
I suppose that redstar misinterpreted your comments a bit. Like I said, there has to be some internal change for one to become "revolutionary". However, we were emphasizing the fact that the lifestyle shouldn't be the main focus. When you said mental changes, I suppose that you should analyze things from a materialist perspective; that there is a material basis for events. That would be one mental change.