Milosovich

[Anarcho-Communist]

I am in the middle of a First Aid course and the person taking it is Maori and fought for New Zealand in Bosnia, the things he told us about Milosovich are sicken, one that made me feel uneasy was that they were walking through a village and he (Milosovich) had hung all the pregnant woman and cut open there uterus and let the baby hang by its umbilical cord, men that didn't give information were taken behind the buildings and slaughtered with machetes, leaving only parts of them, men that gave information often had there fingers, toes and genitals removed before any information was given, after it was given they were decapitated. I find that incredibly sicken and I can't come to grips with how someone can be so deranged in the head to do such things, theres no wonder he is up for war crimes :angry:

[kaaos_af]

When a country breaks up as violently as Yugoslavia did with such heated nationalism, one can only expect war crimes. And many were committed by all sides. Remember NATO blowing up that train and the Chinese embassies? Those are two good examples.

To think Milosevich was responsible for violent acts by a few isolated commanders is like believing everything CNN says is absolute truth.

And if you believe an imperialist soldier's word.. well... what can I say?

[Wanted Man]

Thanks LV. I've never heard this story before, but it reminds me of the "Che shot a 12-year-old for listening to rock music" story: the source was uncheckable, and completely hostile to the subject(in that case: a libertarian Cuban refugee, who would of course hate Che Guevara, and here: an imperialist soldier who joined the fight against one of the last bastions against imperialism in Europe). Considering that Miloseviç was unaware of the Srebrenica massacre, I don't think this is a credible story.

Those inside Yugoslavia who opposed him may have made this up. Remember that the "peacemakers" in Kosovo came there to "liberate" Albanians from "ethnic cleansing", but now the territory is in the hands of a small group of terrorist Albanian mafiosi, whom the NATO does nothing against. The true ethnic cleansing is happening now, and it is against Serbs, but also against Roma, Turks, Görans, etc.

Also, I find it odd that AC seems to support the military kangaroo court that Miloseviç is currently standing trial in. Much like all the people who cheered when the Ceausescus were captured and shot by a court of fascist military officers.

[Eoin Dubh]

Milosevic may not have known about Srebrenica as certain armed paramilitary groups like the "Scorpians" acted with impunity and did what they wished.
Nevertheless, both sides commited unspeakable war crimes during the Balkan conflict.

This link features stories and photos of Bosnian Muslim war crimes. Be warned as it's very, very, graphic : http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/warning.shtml

[SocialistGenius]

Comrades, I am perplexed? Do you actually /support/ Milosevich?

Everything I've heard about him, even from fellow leftists, makes him sound like a bastard! Please explain.

[JC1]

Slobo = "Not Guilty"

[Anarchist Freedom]

If hes innocent I dont understand why my friend maida doesnt have most of her family and how her friends where killed and alot of her area was just killed off. Tell me something did this go on without his knowing? I doubt it .

[travisdandy2000]

Defend the life of Slobodan Milosevich!
by Elizabeth Farrell

SLOBODAN Milosevich faces a torrent of lies and abuse in the dock of the so-called International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. This is beginning to seriously damage the health of the former Yugoslav President, who had been diagnosed with a heart condition and suffers form very high blood pressure. He is not only fighting for justice, he is also fighting for his life, warned the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevich at a meeting in London Conway Hall last week.

Paul Davidson chaired the meeting, and speakers included Brian Denny from the Campaign Against Euro-Federalism, Serbian activist Stan Gasparovski and Christopher Black, Milosevich's legal advisor.

Denny raised his concerns about the 'Corpus Durus' system that is used in the trial, which means that the judge is also the prosecutor. There is no jury, and - unlike any trial in Britain - the defendant is guilty until proven innocent. He also mentioned the conditions under which Milosevich is imprisoned.

"The days in court are long, and Milosevich is only given a sandwich and a bad coffee for lunch. By the time he gets back, he has missed his evening meal."

Stan Gasparovski, who had recently been to The Hague to attend the trial, told the meeting about that visit. He warned us about Milosevich's health, saying that his heart condition, 'Essential hypertension with secondary organ damage and hypertrophy of the left ventricle', is life threatening and needs immediate treatment. Stan pointed out that, so far, Milosevich has only been allowed to see the prison GP, and has been refused an examination by specialists, and medical treatment.

Despite all this, he said, "Milosevich is very determined and confident - because he has the truth on his side."

The last speaker was Chris Black, Milosevich's legal advisor.

He told us that Nato's main weapon was to demonise the Serbs and destroy Milosevich, by using propaganda to justify their aggression against Yugoslavia.

He also pointed out that the prosecution's main witness, former head of Serbia's Secret Services Rado Markovich, spoke in favour of Milosevich instead of against him. When he was asked whether Milosevich had given orders to start ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo, Markovich replied: "No such orders were ever given, and no ethnic cleansing took place."

The only evidence against Milosevich, Chris Black rightfully said, "is that he is not guilty."

To join the struggle for justice for Milosevich, contact the International Committee in his defence at www.icdsm.org

[Phalanx]

I really can't believe there are people here that support him. The reason I lost relatives is because Milosevic wanted to keep parts of Croatia in Yugoslavia. He sent an army in and killed people, as did Tudjman. I can't believe that 'revolutionaries' could support an ultra-nationalistic, reactionary monster like Milosevic. I know DJ-TC and I have been affected by this, I would like to know his opinion.

I'm Croatian, but I have a hatred for Tudjman and his racism, and I spit on his grave. I know that he brought suffering on others just like Milosevic brought suffering upon my family.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 01:47 AM
Comrades, I am perplexed? Do you actually /support/ Milosevich?

Everything I've heard about him, even from fellow leftists, makes him sound like a bastard! Please explain.
Honestly, for the most part, I am rather ignorant of the whole situation so my position would have to be neutral.
I think that he was some form of leftist. I have the impression that he is being railroaded though, and the mujahideen were active in the area and I have no sympathy for armed religious zealots.

The term "War crimes" seems to be a misnomer to me as I regard all war as a crime. ( Class war being the unfortunate exception!)

[Jadan ja]

I really can't believe there are people here that support him.

Yes, I was really unpleasntly suprised too. I cannot believe that some people defend a reactionary and a nationalist.


I think that he was some form of leftist.

He was never a leftist. He was a member of a communist party, but many other people who later became nationalists and reactionaries were members of the party.


Nevertheless, both sides commited unspeakable war crimes during the Balkan conflict.

There were three sides, and all of them commited war crimes.

[fernando]

All parties commited warcrimes, however the West picked the Serbs as the main enemy, bombing the Chinese ambassade, civilian areas, trains and hospitals. Did you ever hear their excuses? Apparently they had "old maps"...that's right OLD MAPS!!!

Those responsible for the crimes should still be put to justice, but the trail Milosovich is receiving gives me an impression that the prosecutor is also the judge..they belong to the same group/side.

[Wanted Man]

"Old maps" in a war that is supposed to be very important for the rescue of poor, oppressed Kosovar Albanians. :lol:

Anyway, I agree with you on the trial. It's remarkable that both the tribunal itself, the prosecutors, AND the judge are in the service of NATO, the force that sought to defeat Milosevic in the first place. And yet, many members here seem to cheer them on.

[piet11111]

milosevic is responsible for acts under his command with or without his knowledge.
but i doubt he bothered preventing anything so hang him for all i care.

sure some serbs where killed while they did nothing wrong by those muhjahedeen butchers its sad but such is the consequence of war.
the muhjahedeen troops deserve to be hanged aswell as war criminals.

the thing that i am amased at is how poeple are capable of doing such brutal acts.
is a simple bullet to the back of the head not enough in the case of captured enemy soldiers ?
and why kill civilians ?

i hope our revolution will be without atrocity's like this and i if i live to participate/see the revolution i would go out of my way to prevent such acts.

[kaaos_af]

I am no supporter of Milosovich, as I am no supporter of Stalinism. However, it is important to keep an open mind and be aware of the facts, not to base your knowledge on the Murdoch Press gang. That is why I posted those articles on Pol Pot. I do not support the Khmer Rouge, but there is not only proof that they were not responsible for all the deaths that occured in Democratic Kampuchea, but to the contrary, disease and heavy US bombing caused most of the deaths. Furthermore, the DK were supported and trained by US puppet Thailand and heavily funded by the USA after they were overthrown by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. See? Facts are important! Likewise, I do not support Mao or Stalin, but I maintain that the massive death tolls attributed to them are very much over-exaggerated. Of course, that does not justify any oppression committed in the name of socialism, but we must be aware of who the real enemy is- capitalism. If we spend all day denouncing Stalin, and coming up with capitalist figures cited by idiots like Courage and Solzhenitsyn, to "prove" his crimes, we forget to talk about the truth of capitalism- that tens of thousands of kids die in the 3rd world daily because of it.

It is the truth that differentiates us from CNN, Falun Gong and the Miami Mafia.

[piet11111]

well i dont formulate my opinion based on what the news brings.
but in the case of milosevic its pretty clear he has blood on his hands.

in the case of stalin i am sure he is responsible for many deaths but the fact that those numbers of his killings are always inflated after x amount of time makes me very suspicious.
ironic to qoute stalin "1 death is a tragedy 1 million a statistic".
i think he meant it that every death is tragic but the exact ammount only for statistics as its always tragic.