Revolution

[silentrevolutionary]

When does the communist revolution end? (I mean at what point when the revolution stops is everything decided to be completed, and how does the revolution stop?) ;)

[Floyce White]

As I said:

"When the revolution begins and the commune is formed, the lower class takes the initiative and moves from defense to offense. The slogan 'defend the revolution' is exposed as a provocation to snarl revolutionary advance. Previously separate from the many reform groups of varied class composition, the party of the working class becomes the same as the commune, while the commune becomes the same as the activity of the working class. The victory of a commune--the abolition of property and therefore the end of familial inheritance classes--is the conversion of a commune into a community: the natural social unit of the species."

(Communism Means Communes (http://www.geocities.com/antiproperty/#A18), October 1, 2002.)

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by silentrevolutionary
When does the communist revolution end?

Hard to say.

One could make an argument that the American bourgeois revolution of 1860-66 is "still going on"...or, better, that there are still "ripples" of that event that can be seen right now.

When a court rules, for example, that "intelligent design" is a cover for using public schools to teach religion, that's an "echo" of bourgeois revolution.

A pre-capitalist ideology is being removed from a portion of public life that the bourgeoisie reserves for itself.

So the "ripples" from a communist revolution might extend for several centuries after the "seizure of power".

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[Ol' Dirty]

There is no "THE" Revolution; the revolution is ongoing, it never stops.

[red_che]

When does the communist revolution end? (I mean at what point when the revolution stops is everything decided to be completed, and how does the revolution stop?)

The basis of a communist revolution (or for that matter, proletarian revolution) is the abolition of the material conditions for which class-based societies exist, that is, the abolition of private ownership of the means of production and exchange.

So, in answer to your question, I say that when all forms of private ownership of the means of production is abolished, then the communist revolution ends. And then the communist society is established. :)

[kaaos_af]

I agree with FluxOne13.

The revolution must be an ongoing thing, constantly reaching new heights, exposing people to new ideas and creatively finding new ways to apply Marxism in the building of a new world. In socialism, there shall be a utopia for science, so revolutions in idea shall occur daily. In 10 000 AD ;) we shall still be building on Marxist-Leninist theory and application.

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by Leninist [email protected] 9 2006, 06:04 PM
I agree with FluxOne13.

The revolution must be an ongoing thing, constantly reaching new heights, exposing people to new ideas and creatively finding new ways to apply Marxism in the building of a new world. In socialism, there shall be a utopia for science, so revolutions in idea shall occur daily. In 10 000 AD ;) we shall still be building on Marxist-Leninist theory and application.
Thank you for ellaborating on my thought sos well.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Leninist [email protected] 9 2006, 06:04 PM
we shall still be building on Marxist-Leninist theory and application.
Hopefully by forgtting about it.

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Feb 11 2006, 09:49 PM--> (Additives Free @ Feb 11 2006, 09:49 PM)
Leninist [email protected] 9 2006, 06:04 PM
we shall still be building on Marxist-Leninist theory and application.
Hopefully by forgtting about it. [/b]
I take it you disgree with Marxism and Leninism, or one of the two?

[Punk Rocker]

The revolution ends when the poor are free and the rich are dead.

[encephalon]

The revolution ends when freedom begins.

[red team]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 06:38 AM
The revolution ends when freedom begins.
The revolution ends when super-abundance is achieved which determines your degree of freedom.

[Body Count]

When all negative aspects of bourgeois lifestyle and thought are wiped from earth.

[Djehuti]

For me, the revolution ends with capitalism. When we have destroyed capitalism and created communism, the revolution will be complete. This does not mean that there won't be any changes in society after this; of cource it will! Society will continue to develop as long as it exists, but change is not the same thing as a revolution, a revolution is more like intensified totalized change.

[red team]

Originally posted by Body [email protected] 26 2006, 08:16 AM
When all negative aspects of bourgeois lifestyle and thought are wiped from earth.
"Morality" codes are unenforceable unless you want a police state. The other alternative is if you simply allow it to evolve in whatever direction it wants. With an environment of super-abundance which has never been achieved in human history who's going to accurately predict what's going to happen to culture in that type of setting?

[Scars]

The revolution ends with humanity. History does not end, thus the revolution can't end.

[drain.you]

If a leftist revolution never ends then technically theres never been a revolution.
Personally the revolution changes the social and economic climate and thats it. Everything after that is just political advancement from what we've already got. Its not a constant revolution.

[viva le revolution]

The revolution does not end with the assumption of state power by the proletariat, it ois only the beginning. The revolution takes on the form of the Dictatorship of the proletariat to suppress counter-revolution. The people and revolutionaries must guard against the resurgence of reaction(counter-revolution), and the adoption of differing class interests in the dictatorship of the proletariat(revisionism). In short the revolution does not end until antagonistic classes and class interests cease to exist.

[drain.you]

Out of curiosity, what do people define the 'revolution' as actually being?

I just see it as the period of conflict between a capitalist state and the start of communism in society.

[Simotix]

There won't be much left to revolt if we step back and start to look at the way that the Earth is being mistreated. We must see that all of our lives are in danger and not much is being done to help it.

[red_che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 11:30 PM
Out of curiosity, what do people define the 'revolution' as actually being?

I just see it as the period of conflict between a capitalist state and the start of communism in society.
A revolution, in my understanding, is the contradiction between two opposing forces where only one would be victorious.

So, as long as there is contradiction in society, there will always be revolution. Such as in a capitalist society, the two opposing forces are the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. So as long as these opposing forces are in contradiction, there will be a revolution.

Hence, a communist revolution can only be ended by the abolition of all kinds of private ownership. When private ownership is abolished the communist revolution ends. When there arises a new form of contradiction in society, consequently there arises a new form of revolution. That is how history goes.

[Iroquois Xavier]

When all the nazis and other imperial scum are dead. :)

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 03:03 AM
When does the communist revolution end?
It doesn't.

[red_che]

Originally posted by wet blanket+Mar 2 2006, 03:50 AM--> (wet blanket @ Mar 2 2006, 03:50 AM)
[email protected] 7 2006, 03:03 AM
When does the communist revolution end?
It doesn't. [/b]
I believe this is not true.

I think this completely runs counter to history. Every social system ends after a revolution of one class becomes successful.

If the communist revolution doesn't end, then it would only mean that the proletarian struggle against the bourgeoisie doesn't end also. And that the communist revolution wouldn't be successful.

If that is the case, then why bother a communist revolution?

[Gaius]

The revolution ends when humanity can coexist without killing each other.

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by red_che+Mar 2 2006, 05:53 AM--> (red_che @ Mar 2 2006, 05:53 AM)
Originally posted by wet [email protected] 2 2006, 03:50 AM

[email protected] 7 2006, 03:03 AM
When does the communist revolution end?
It doesn't.
I believe this is not true.

I think this completely runs counter to history. Every social system ends after a revolution of one class becomes successful.

If the communist revolution doesn't end, then it would only mean that the proletarian struggle against the bourgeoisie doesn't end also. And that the communist revolution wouldn't be successful.

If that is the case, then why bother a communist revolution? [/b]
The oppressed masses must have a revolution of their own, one without any 'final goal' other than the resistance and elimination of exploitation and regaining control of their own lives and productive capabilities.
To assert such a revolution has an end is to make the bold claim that history will stand still at some sort of social equilibrium once everyone has been liberated from oppressors and the possibility of exploitation will vanish the world over... That is absolute rubbish, bordering on religious superstition. History doesn't end with communism, and humans will constantly be revolutionizing their social relations and everyday lives for as long as we exist on this planet.

[Hopes_Guevara]

Originally posted by Punk [email protected] 26 2006, 04:53 AM
The revolution ends when the poor are free and the rich are dead.
No, revolution ends when there's no longer differentiation between the rich and the poor :D .

And, yes, I agree with red che. I have read Marx about this but I forget the name of the writing.

[red_che]

The oppressed masses must have a revolution of their own

Yes, I agree with this statement completely.


one without any 'final goal' other than the resistance and elimination of exploitation and regaining control of their own lives and productive capabilities.

When they achieved this, therefore, the revolution ends. It is impossible to say that the communist revolution will go on for the rest of time. How pitiful the proletariat would be. they will continue revolting without being victorious at any point in time.

Well, I would like to clarify this thing to you.

Revolution is a continuous event in history, yes this is true. But in what form? That would vary and every form of it has a beginning and an end. Just like the bourgeois revolution, it ended when they became successful in overthrowing the feudal monarchs. The proletariat, and likewise the communist revolution, will also end when capitalism is overthrown and all its form has been extricated from society.

[wet blanket]

Just like the bourgeois revolution, it ended when they became successful in overthrowing the feudal monarchs.
What are you talking about? The bourgeois revolution continues to this day, nowadays they just call it 'globalization' and 3rd world 'development'.

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by Hopes_Guevara+Mar 2 2006, 12:26 PM--> (Hopes_Guevara @ Mar 2 2006, 12:26 PM)
Punk [email protected] 26 2006, 04:53 AM
The revolution ends when the poor are free and the rich are dead.
No, revolution ends when there's no longer differentiation between the rich and the poor :D .

And, yes, I agree with red che. I have read Marx about this but I forget the name of the writing. [/b]
Ah, yes, an intelligent statement. Thank you. :)

[More Fire for the People]

A revolution does not end, it is part of the perpetual permanent revolution of humankind — the change from primitivism, to class society, and to communism.

Revolutions in modes of production themselves transform how revolutions in the future will occur. Think of history like this — micro-effects → macro-effect → micro-effects → macro-effect, etc. [quantity to quality]. For instance, take American history:

British treaty with the Native Americans, hording of profits [micro] → American [democratic] Revolution [macro] → continuance of slavery, disenfranchisement of poor whites, women, Native Americans, and slaves, industrialism in the North → American Civil War [bourgeois revolution, macro] → civil rights movement, corporatization of the North, industrialization of the South [micro]

[Revolution 9]

The revolution never ends.

If the revolution ever ends people will just lapse back into mediacraty (sp) and stop being active communist revolutionaries.