ComradeRed
6th February 2006, 03:20
So my class is on vibrations and waves and sound right now. Any tricky concepts or difficult applications that you can think of? I don't really understand the Doppler effect all that well, particularly with all the equations such as f'=f((v+or-v0)/v). You know the observed frequency equations including observer in motion, source in motion, and observer and source both in motion.
So if you could just go over all of these concepts in an online classes thread that would be extremely helpful 'cause I'm not sure if I have enought time to read the entire chapters. One possible tricky application is coming up with a loud enough sound to knock over dominos precisely, though this would require such energy it would be impractical.
Maybe something involving convalution or interference of waves? Then predicting the frequency of the outcome? I dunno, it's been a while and I may be a little rusty ;)
The Doppler Effect
Have you noticed that a biker is louder when he is coming than going? This is because of the doppler effect where the sound waves of his motor is "stacked" when he is coming yet when he leaves they are no longer stacked. This is because he is moving while constantly "emitting" noise from his engine.
This is the crux of the doppler effect. :) The perceived frequency is higher when the biker is coming than when he is leaving.
This can be represented mathematically by the equation:
f=f_{0}(1+\frac{v_{0}}{v})
for the original frequency f_{0}, the velocity of the observer v_{0}, and the velocity of the observed v.
Remember: I am using LaTeX syntax!!!
Example Problem[\b]
I was asked to solve this problem for an example:
3. A train at rest blows a whistle to alert passengers that it is about to depart from a subway station. The pitch of this whistle is 1.14E4 Hz. The speed of sound in the air in that subway tunnel is 342 m/s. The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s. So we know the medium, and we know the sound.
b. What is the distance between consecutive areas of compression and of rarefaction in the spherical sound waves spreading from the whistle in that air?
Well, first of all, in a longitudinal wave -- that is a waves that are parallel to their direction of travel -- there are rarefaction and compression.
That is sections of space where the wave is "more dense" than other parts (the other parts are called "rarefaction" pronounced rar-ree-faction). You can think of this as the wave is compressed in the "compression" and the rarefaction is the distance between two compressions.
The wavelength is the distance between two centers of compression.
The wavelength has a fantastic relationship to frequency and velocity, demonstrated by the beautiful formula:
[b](wavelength)(frequency)=(velocity)
So recall from the question "The pitch of this whistle is 1.14E4 Hz. The speed of sound in the air in that subway tunnel is 342 m/s. The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s." There are 1.14*10^4 cycles per second and the velocity 342 m/s.
With simple algebra we get
wavelength = (342 m/s)/(1.14*10^4 s^-1)
this reduces to
wavelength = .3 meters
provided we ignore "sig-figs"(it is actually "0.300meters" because of the measurements, but don't worry about this, it's all tangential).
The distance is the wavelength, just to let ya know ;)
c. Assuming that the sound was loud enough to be heard from the end of the 1200 m long tunnel, when was it heard though air? Though the rails?
This is rather simple from mechanics, distance divided by velocity equals the time it took.
That is to say the velocity in the air was 342 meters/second, thus
(1200m)/(342m/s) = 3.50877192982456140350877192982456 s after it rang out through air.
On the other hand we also have the metallic medium with a different velocity. It is "The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s."
Now we just use the same formula:
(1200m)/(5130 m/s) = 0.233918128654970760233918128654971 s after it rang out through iron.
d. What was the apparent frequency of the sound waves that reached the end of the tunnel?
Just to warn you, my coffee supply is running low, so might too the coherency of my reply hereon end.
In reality, this would be impossible to figure out because we would need to know the velocity and orientation therein of the air, etc.
However, ignoring these things it is considerably easier (anything doable is easier than something that is impossible!).
IF we were to asssume that this was an ideal experiment, then the frequency would remain the same. But I am lazy and as I stated I'm out of coffee (:o).
e. As the train left the station, did the frequency appear to change for a listener on the platform? inside the train? at the other end of the tunnel? We are dealing with three observers: one on the train, one off of the train watching it leave, and one watching the train approach.
The doppler effect explains that the biker is louder coming than going. So, for the observers not on the train the frequency changed. The observer on the train believes that the frequency did not change.
The observer watching the train approach, like observing a biker approach, believes the frequency is getting faster and faster.
On the other hand we have an observer watching the train leave, possibly missing it because he was late and had to get coffee (<_<); this poor fellow believes that the frequency is slower than the frequency observed by the other two observers.
Hope that helps (in my caffeine deprived state) :)
So if you could just go over all of these concepts in an online classes thread that would be extremely helpful 'cause I'm not sure if I have enought time to read the entire chapters. One possible tricky application is coming up with a loud enough sound to knock over dominos precisely, though this would require such energy it would be impractical.
Maybe something involving convalution or interference of waves? Then predicting the frequency of the outcome? I dunno, it's been a while and I may be a little rusty ;)
The Doppler Effect
Have you noticed that a biker is louder when he is coming than going? This is because of the doppler effect where the sound waves of his motor is "stacked" when he is coming yet when he leaves they are no longer stacked. This is because he is moving while constantly "emitting" noise from his engine.
This is the crux of the doppler effect. :) The perceived frequency is higher when the biker is coming than when he is leaving.
This can be represented mathematically by the equation:
f=f_{0}(1+\frac{v_{0}}{v})
for the original frequency f_{0}, the velocity of the observer v_{0}, and the velocity of the observed v.
Remember: I am using LaTeX syntax!!!
Example Problem[\b]
I was asked to solve this problem for an example:
3. A train at rest blows a whistle to alert passengers that it is about to depart from a subway station. The pitch of this whistle is 1.14E4 Hz. The speed of sound in the air in that subway tunnel is 342 m/s. The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s. So we know the medium, and we know the sound.
b. What is the distance between consecutive areas of compression and of rarefaction in the spherical sound waves spreading from the whistle in that air?
Well, first of all, in a longitudinal wave -- that is a waves that are parallel to their direction of travel -- there are rarefaction and compression.
That is sections of space where the wave is "more dense" than other parts (the other parts are called "rarefaction" pronounced rar-ree-faction). You can think of this as the wave is compressed in the "compression" and the rarefaction is the distance between two compressions.
The wavelength is the distance between two centers of compression.
The wavelength has a fantastic relationship to frequency and velocity, demonstrated by the beautiful formula:
[b](wavelength)(frequency)=(velocity)
So recall from the question "The pitch of this whistle is 1.14E4 Hz. The speed of sound in the air in that subway tunnel is 342 m/s. The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s." There are 1.14*10^4 cycles per second and the velocity 342 m/s.
With simple algebra we get
wavelength = (342 m/s)/(1.14*10^4 s^-1)
this reduces to
wavelength = .3 meters
provided we ignore "sig-figs"(it is actually "0.300meters" because of the measurements, but don't worry about this, it's all tangential).
The distance is the wavelength, just to let ya know ;)
c. Assuming that the sound was loud enough to be heard from the end of the 1200 m long tunnel, when was it heard though air? Though the rails?
This is rather simple from mechanics, distance divided by velocity equals the time it took.
That is to say the velocity in the air was 342 meters/second, thus
(1200m)/(342m/s) = 3.50877192982456140350877192982456 s after it rang out through air.
On the other hand we also have the metallic medium with a different velocity. It is "The speed of sound in iron is 5130 m/s."
Now we just use the same formula:
(1200m)/(5130 m/s) = 0.233918128654970760233918128654971 s after it rang out through iron.
d. What was the apparent frequency of the sound waves that reached the end of the tunnel?
Just to warn you, my coffee supply is running low, so might too the coherency of my reply hereon end.
In reality, this would be impossible to figure out because we would need to know the velocity and orientation therein of the air, etc.
However, ignoring these things it is considerably easier (anything doable is easier than something that is impossible!).
IF we were to asssume that this was an ideal experiment, then the frequency would remain the same. But I am lazy and as I stated I'm out of coffee (:o).
e. As the train left the station, did the frequency appear to change for a listener on the platform? inside the train? at the other end of the tunnel? We are dealing with three observers: one on the train, one off of the train watching it leave, and one watching the train approach.
The doppler effect explains that the biker is louder coming than going. So, for the observers not on the train the frequency changed. The observer on the train believes that the frequency did not change.
The observer watching the train approach, like observing a biker approach, believes the frequency is getting faster and faster.
On the other hand we have an observer watching the train leave, possibly missing it because he was late and had to get coffee (<_<); this poor fellow believes that the frequency is slower than the frequency observed by the other two observers.
Hope that helps (in my caffeine deprived state) :)