Chavez = Hitler

[which doctor]

Rumsfeld Likens Chavez To Hitler

(AP) WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld likened Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to Adolf Hitler, reflecting continuing tension in relations between the United States and the Latin American government.

Rumsfeld, asked during a National Press Club appearance Thursday about indications of a deteriorating general relationship between Washington and parts of Latin America, said he believes such a characterization "misses the mark.

"We saw dictatorships there. And then we saw most of those countries, with the exception of Cuba, for the most part move towards democracies," he said. "We also saw corruption in that part of the world. And corruption is something that is corrosive of democracy."

The secretary acknowledged that "we've seen some populist leadership appealing to masses of people in those countries. And elections like Evo Morales in Bolivia take place that clearly are worrisome."

"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."

There have been increasing signs of hostility between Washington and Caracas. On Monday Chavez said Venezuela's intelligence agencies have "infiltrated" a group of military officials from the U.S. Embassy who were allegedly involved in espionage.

Venezuelan authorities, including the vice president, have accused officials at the U.S. Embassy of involvement in a spying case in which Venezuelan naval officers allegedly passed sensitive information to the Pentagon.

It was not the first such charge by Chavez.

He has accused President Bush of backing efforts to overthrow his leftist government, and specifically has charged that the United States supported a short-lived coup in 2002, fomented a devastating strike in 2004 and expelled some American missionaries from Venezuela for alleged links to the CIA.

Washington has repeatedly rejected the allegations.

Responding to Venezuela's expulsion of a U.S. naval officer from Caracas, the State Department on Friday declared a senior Venezuelan diplomat persona non grata and gave her 72 hours to leave the country.

Spokesman Sean McCormack said Jeny Figueredo Frias, the embassy chief of staff, has been ordered to leave.

On Thursday, Chavez had said that Venezuela was expelling naval attaché John Correa for allegedly passing secret information from Venezuelan military officers to the Pentagon.

McCormack said the U.S. action was a direct response to Correa's expulsion.

"They initiated this and we were forced to respond," he said.

Source (http://kdka.com/topstories/topstories_story_034144956.html)

[Body Count]

Givin the U$ track record on leftist societies, I feel that Chavez needs to do whatever possible to hault their intervention in his country and government.

[ColinH]

Rummy's been busy with the Hitler analogies.

Rumsfeld Offers Strategies for Current War (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/02/AR2006020202296_pf.html)


Rumsfeld, who laid out broad strategies for what the military and the Bush administration are now calling the "long war," likened al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin while urging Americans not to give in on the battle of wills that could stretch for years. He said there is a tendency to underestimate the threats that terrorists pose to global security, and said liberty is at stake.

[( R )evolution]

Wow, so after the Chavez tells someone who suspects and has evidence of spying for the US Gov't. Then the US Gov't tells a Venzulena embassy employee to get out of the country with no evidence to support any wrong doing.

[WUOrevolt]

Can anyone provide me with reports on human rights in Venezuela under the Chavez administration?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 08:14 PM
Can anyone provide me with reports on human rights in Venezuela under the Chavez administration?
Human Rights Watch: Venezuela (http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=venezu)

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Feb 4 2006, 06:57 AM--> (Fist of Blood @ Feb 4 2006, 06:57 AM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 08:14 PM
Can anyone provide me with reports on human rights in Venezuela under the Chavez administration?
Human Rights Watch: Venezuela (http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=venezu) [/b]
Ooh, that is not good, Chavez just went down in my opinion.

[chebol]

Human Rights Watch is not a reliable source of information. They usually reflect US foreign policy in relation to Cuba and Venezuela (a reflection of where their funding comes from).

A quick glance over the articles on their Venezuela page shows a clear bias. All critical of Chavez, mostly around the prosecution of coup=related activities. etc.

No mention of the 'human rights' of increased democracy, access to free education and health care, food and housing, decreased poverty, increased equity and access to legal rights, all of which and more have taken place in Venezuela since the election of Chavez.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:31 AM
Human Rights Watch is not a reliable source of information. They usually reflect US foreign policy in relation to Cuba and Venezuela (a reflection of where their funding comes from).

A quick glance over the articles on their Venezuela page shows a clear bias. All critical of Chavez, mostly around the prosecution of coup=related activities. etc.

No mention of the 'human rights' of increased democracy, access to free education and health care, food and housing, decreased poverty, increased equity and access to legal rights, all of which and more have taken place in Venezuela since the election of Chavez.
Do you have any sources to combat what Human Rights Watch says about Chavez?

[MeTaLhEaD]

what can i say if that dumbfuck had compared Bin Laden to Lenin
I guess he is gonna call Maradona a Zarkawi !!!!!!!!

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:31 PM
Human Rights Watch is not a reliable source of information. They usually reflect US foreign policy in relation to Cuba and Venezuela (a reflection of where their funding comes from).

A quick glance over the articles on their Venezuela page shows a clear bias. All critical of Chavez, mostly around the prosecution of coup=related activities. etc.

No mention of the 'human rights' of increased democracy, access to free education and health care, food and housing, decreased poverty, increased equity and access to legal rights, all of which and more have taken place in Venezuela since the election of Chavez.
An interesting view about HRW's view on Venezuela (http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1200)

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Body [email protected] 4 2006, 09:46 AM
Givin the U$ track record on leftist societies, I feel that Chavez needs to do whatever possible to hault their intervention in his country and government.
Chavez last year removed any US influence from the army. There were some US advisors in the army before Chavez. This is a good move, as well as political education in the army.

[Fidelbrand]

Why bother quoting Rumsfield. They all talk provocative shits.

[Tormented by Treachery]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law


There is a tradition of protocol in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread in which the comment was posted is over and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

:lol: Applies to real life too :lol:

[fernando]

Well...bla...many leftists compare Bush to Hitler or the US to Nazi Germany. To me its both quite stupid to simply say something like Bush = Hitler or Chavez = Hitler. Of course its even worse when an important and high placed politician makes these kind of remarks

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Rumsfeld and Chavez needs to stop jerking each other off. Enough with the insults, <_< at Venezuela&#39;s vp insulting back, its like they are playing tag.

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by Rumsfeld
He&#39;s a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally

Maybe this is why Bush took power without being elected then, to not look like Hitler? :lol:

No, seriously, I&#39;m surprised the criminal US government hasn&#39;t taken to any more action against the leftwing wave in south america. The most obvious reason might be them being tied up in Iraq and Afganistan.

I don&#39;t think they are capable of much more than name-calling and dirty methods such as espionage and perhaps coups in the region at present.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Originally posted by WUOrevolt+Feb 4 2006, 03:18 AM--> (WUOrevolt @ Feb 4 2006, 03:18 AM)
Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 4 2006, 06:57 AM

[email protected] 3 2006, 08:14 PM
Can anyone provide me with reports on human rights in Venezuela under the Chavez administration?
Human Rights Watch: Venezuela (http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=venezu)
Ooh, that is not good, Chavez just went down in my opinion. [/b]
If this were the usual US backed right wing dictatorship that have predominated In South America these people would not be on trial they would have been shot.

Rumsfield comparing Chavez to Hitler, who has Chavez invaded Mr. Goering I mean Rumsfeld?

[YSR]

I&#39;m sorry, if the Bush administration makes one more comment about how democracy will bring good to the world, I&#39;m going to puke.

They really seem to like Chavez, Morales, and Palestine&#39;s Hamas an awful lot, and they were elected. This "democracy brings goodness" argument is so contradictary when they spout it.

[La Comédie Noire]

Well wow...thats probably one of the weakest links I&#39;ve heard of between two things since 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. :lol:

But seriously he should analyze The United States&#39; actions before he starts linking a Latin American Leftist to a Facist Dictator.

[FidelCastro]

wonder what bush would say if Saudi, Iran, Iraq and all other middle eastern countries turned pinko.

[WUOrevolt]

Chavez: Bush worse than Hitler


Sunday 05 February 2006, 9:37 Makka Time, 6:37 GMT


Chavez met close ally Fidel Castro &reg; on Friday



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Already strained relations between the US and Venezuela have deteriorated further with Hugo Chavez saying George Bush is worse than Hitler.


Chavez told thousands of supporters on Saturday that he thought "Hitler would be like a suckling baby next to George Bush".

He was responding to comments made on Thursday by Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, comparing Chavez to the Nazi leader.

Chavez was speaking at a rally in Caracas to commemorate a failed 1992 coup that he led as a lieutenant-colonel. He said: "The imperialist, genocidal, fascist attitude of the US president has no limits."

He said that Washington was considering invading Venezuela and that the country therefore needed more weapons to defend itself.

"We still need a higher number of rifles," he said. "The Russian rifles are not enough. Venezuela needs to have one million well-equipped and well-armed men and women."

Weapons wrangle

Chavez was referring to Venezuela&#39;s purchase of military equipment, including 100,000 Russian-made machine guns.



"The imperialist, genocidal, fascist attitude of the US president has no limits"

Hugo Chavez


Chavez told the crowd of cheering supporters he had started making contacts with other countries which would be able to supply the additional rifles.

Washington and Caracas recently clashed over a US block on sales of Spanish military equipment to Venezuela.

The Spanish aircraft contained US-made technology, which requires countries to get Washington&#39;s clearance for the sale.

Ties with the US and the socialist leader had already worsened further this week after Chavez expelled US naval attache, John Correa, for allegedly passing secret information from Venezuelan military officers to the Pentagon.

Chavez has said he could shut Venezuelan oil refineries in the United States and sell elsewhere if Washington decided to end diplomatic ties.

Flush with cash from high crude oil prices, Chavez is promoting socialist reforms at home and aggressively challenging US free-market proposals by allying himself with his South American neighbours, as well as Cuba and Iran.

US officials have made no suggestion they plan to break relations.

Nationalist rhetoric


Rumsfeld on Thursday likened
Chavez to Hitler

Washington has repeatedly dismissed Chavez&#39;s threats and charges, including numerous claims that the US is attempting to overthrow him, as inflammatory rhetoric directed at stirring up nationalist sentiment among his poor supporters.

Elsewhere in Caracas on Saturday, thousands of opposition sympathisers marched to protest against what they perceive as increasing authoritarianism under Chavez and strongly condemned the bloody coup attempt he led 14 years ago.

More than 80 civilians and 17 soldiers were killed on 4 February 1992, before troops put an end to the putsch.

Chavez has celebrated the rebellion&#39;s anniversary every year since he took office in 1999.

Some Chavez critics feel he is taking Venezuela on the road to Cuban style communism.

Chavez met close ally Fidel Castro on Friday.


Agencies

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EFD...3861260B9DF.htm (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EFD8191E-E061-4F41-8BC7-E3861260B9DF.htm)