Why Would Israel Want a One State Solution?

[Columbia]

I was listening to a report on the Pacifica radio network which spoke of a One State Solution for Israel and Palestine. As I listened, I was suprised that there were a few intellectuals discussing it, and none of them appearing to be representitive of the actual people living there.

There is a large demographic disparity between the two in the issue of population. There are over three times the population of Palestinians to Israelie citizens. Any such state, even based on a secular course, would mean there would be no former Israelie representation, and nearly every decision would be a "Palestinian" decision in such a state.

Also, remember that laws, though secular, have their basis in culture and religion and other social constructs. While it is true there is no such thing as a Jewish or Muslim sewage system, the authority of that system, its decision making process and method of business could be more Arabic or Islamic than Jewish or Israelie.

I then found that the majority of Palestinians themselves do not speak of a One State solution, but that only the far left speaks of it.

If there is someone on the board who supports the One State solution, could you explain why this wouldn't lead to the destruction of the Israelie culture; and why Israelies would want to support this; and how it could get off the ground with Israel against it by an overwhelming number?

[JC1]

There is a large demographic disparity between the two in the issue of population. There are over three times the population of Palestinians to Israelie citizens. Any such state, even based on a secular course, would mean there would be no former Israelie representation, and nearly every decision would be a "Palestinian" decision in such a state.

Actualy there are more Jew's in between the sea and the river.There are only more arab's if you include the children and grandchildren of palistinian emigrant's living in other arab states.


Also, remember that laws, though secular, have their basis in culture and religion and other social constructs. While it is true there is no such thing as a Jewish or Muslim sewage system, the authority of that system, its decision making process and method of business could be more Arabic or Islamic than Jewish or Israelie.

1) Both states are already secular.

2) Culturaly, the Israeli's and the Arabs are already very similar.


I then found that the majority of Palestinians themselves do not speak of a One State solution, but that only the far left speaks of it.

More arabs suppourt it then Jews.


If there is someone on the board who supports the One State solution, could you explain why this wouldn't lead to the destruction of the Israelie culture; and why Israelies would want to support this; and how it could get off the ground with Israel against it by an overwhelming number?

It would not work, it breach's the jews right to self determination.

[Columbia]

Thank you for your response, JC1. Yes, I include all of the generations of Arabs who would become part of Palestine when it achieves nationhood.

Yes, of course there are more Palestinians who support this. (I daresay that if the demographics were reversed, Israel might support it, and the Palestinians would not.)

I agree that it is a non-starter from Israel's point of view.

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Israel does not want a one state solution. With Hamas in power officials have made it quite clear. I heard the former prime minister of Israel on tv saying that even if Hamas renounces violence he still wouldn't want to negotiate any peacetalks so yeah.

[amanondeathrow]

I heard the former prime minister of Israel on tv saying that even if Hamas renounces violence he still wouldn't want to negotiate any peacetalks so yeah.
Do you have a source for this; it would really help me out.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:38 AM
If there is someone on the board who supports the One State solution, could you explain why this wouldn't lead to the destruction of the Israelie culture; and why Israelies would want to support this; and how it could get off the ground with Israel against it by an overwhelming number?
The same way it works in South Africa, where the former "homelands" or Bantustans have been dissolved and there is one state with equal rights for the indigenous African population (analagous to Palestinians) and the descendants of settlers from Europe (analagous to Israelis.)

At one time most whites in South Africa opposed this; over the course of decades of political and military struggle a fair number of whites came to realize it was inevitable, that the majority could not be deprived of their rights forever. The same thing can happen in Israel.

The success of this - or any other prospect for peace in Palestine - depends on the class and political divisions within Israel.

If Israel actually will withdraw completely from the occupied territories, I'd like to see it; but that's becoming increasingly unlikely as it consolidates the settlements and builds more walls and fences across the West Bank. If it continues down that road, the two-state solution will simply become obsolete.

So as long as Israel continues ruling over Palestinians and claiming to be a democracy, how it justify denying them citizenship?

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Originally posted by Dee's [email protected] 2 2006, 08:37 PM

I heard the former prime minister of Israel on tv saying that even if Hamas renounces violence he still wouldn't want to negotiate any peacetalks so yeah.
Do you have a source for this; it would really help me out.
Yes I do. I saw it flipping through the channels on Fox News the day Hamas won the election. The show is called Your World w/ Neil Cavuto. The host is Neil Cavuto and the guest is former prime minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu.

Here is the transcript:TRANSCRIPT TO HAMAS REACTION FROM FMR PRIME MINISTER (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182937,00.html)

Here is the specific quote:


CAVUTO:If Hamas came back and said, Mr. Prime Minister, look, we're no longer supporting the destruction of Israel, would you negotiate? Should Israel negotiate?

NETANYAHU: I don't think Israel or America or any right-minded state in the world that is now facing global terror should negotiate politically with a regime that is committed, heart and soul, to terror.

Remember, Hamas is an Iranian operation. It has been funded by Iran and directed by Iran for several years now. And now Iran has three enclaves. It has the Hezbollah enclave in Lebanon. It has the Hamas enclave in Gaza, which has grown stronger.

And it now has a Hamas enclave in the West Bank. These three enclaves are encircling Israel on behest of the mother regime, Iran, which is committed to Israel's destruction.

You are not going to see a change. You might see some to-ing and fro-ing in language, but that's not going to materially alter. How would you know if something really alters? How would you know if there's a real change? They would have to stop the Hezbollah — or, rather, the suicide kindergarten camps they have for little children.

They would have to stop, you know, the sermons that they're giving in the mosques. They would have to change the textbooks that they're teaching in the schools. They would have to dismantle the terrorist organizations, collect the illegal weapons, jail their own people, their own terrorists. That's a pretty tall order.

^ That seems to be on the mind of most politicians. These people can't work out peace, forget the one state solution, its not realistic.