Democracy v.s. communisim

[jaster]

as i am not a communist, or a socialist, i know very little about the actual marx manifesto etc. what i really want to know is what everyones view on the dem. v.s com. issue, the pros and cons, evidance to back up your claim, real world examples.

[KC]

Communism is directly democratic. You can't set them against each other.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 03:27 PM
Communism is directly democratic. You can't set them against each other.
To elaborate:

Democracy is from the Greek language, meaning: the people to rule.

Communism = A classless society

A classless society = A form of society run by the people rather than figureheads.


Communism is the advancement of democracy.

I am not sure if I should move this to Learning.

[вор в законе]

jaster there have never been any communist societies and as Lazar pointed out, in communism there is direct democracy.

On your points.

Democracy/dictatorship is a political system while socialism/capitalism is an economical system. The latter one is defined from the existing relationship between the means of production. Then the superstructure , the political system that is, is formed by the forces that control the means of production.

There can be socialism with dictatorship or democracy just like there can be capitalism with dictatorship or democracy. (Parliamentary democracy)

Of course we should define what democracy really means. But the parliamentary democracy of the capitalist countries is by no means ''a real democracy''.

Real democracy means that the majority decides not only in the parliament, but also in the workplace, the factories and offices, in the army, in the schools and universities. But this is possible only when the working people themselves own the means of production.



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[Forward Union]

"What type of society does Anarchism advocate?

Anarchism sees to create a society in which individuals can live independently from government and all top-down structures. We believe in mutual aid and cooperation. Anarchists believe in anti-authoritarian decision making, such as direct democracy. Direct democracy works off of consensus and more involves people expressing their ideas, opinions, concerns, criticism and suggestions about certain issues that effect that group of people. This is what makes direct democracy different than representative democracy. It eliminates all top-down hierarchical means of decision making. Many believe using consensus is naturally how humans work. For example, when you go out to see a movie with your friends you work on consensus.. You make a proposal by asking everyone, "what do you want to see?", and everyone decides. If there's a conflicting decision people usually talk about it. That's direct democracy. We do the same thing when we want to go out and eat for example. All these decisions effect us directly thus we engage in a format of a consensus decision making process so the decision can best fit our needs without excluding anyone's opinion or concerns from the group. This insures that everybody's voice is heard. Direct democracy also eliminates the top-down hierarchical in decision making format. People usually don't like it when another has the authority " - RaiseTheFist.com

[Sentinel]

Additives Free:

But won't using consensus affect productivity negatively, in the beginning if the society still lacks resources to produce everything? In the chaotic period directly after a revolution. Can we apply direct democracy instantly?

People seldom agree on everything.. I too see the society you describe as the goal, and am not a devoted leninist or anything, but I can't see how that could be created over night, directly after capitalism.. :(

Don't we need at least some sort of transition, not a vanguard state perhaps but something? I sympathize with anarchism but don't understand how this will be done.
Help me. ;)