US blackmails Mexico

[peaccenicked]

story here (http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/iraq/0303/11mexico.html)

[Lefty]

God bless america, eh?

[The Communist Threat]

haha, yeah...

this is the problem when their is only one superpower left...but that will change hopefully...

[knowledge]

Hmm..... I don't know what you people just read, but I found no claim or reference to blackmail in that article. Jealousy has consumed every one of you morons.

[canikickit]

but I found no claim or reference to blackmail in that article.

"U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza cautioned Monday that Mexico could face unwanted consequences in the U.S. Congress if it votes no -- or even abstains -- on a U.S.-backed resolution on Iraq now before the U.N. Security Council."

You must be blind, "knowledge".

What exactly are we jealous of? I've heard this claim so many time from so many right wing scumbags. Bitterness, jealousy......No.

Perhaps we are jealous that such a high percentage of "the city that never sleeps" is on welfare;

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/oct1999/...9/nyc-o19.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/oct1999/nyc-o19.shtml)

Perhaps we are jealous that 19% of your country have no health insurance;

http://www.wpunj.edu/newpol/issue30/mandel30.htm

Perhaps we are jealous of your prison population, which has doubled over the last ten years. While the number on probation or parole goes up by 7% every year;

http://www.ied.info/books/www/povertyandrights.html


Perhaps not. Go sell crazy some place else.

[knowledge]

I cannot complain. Yes, I live in the US, no my family is not wealthy, but I have put in tremendous time and effort throughtout college, and in less than 8 months, my journalism degree will be laced. From there, I obtain a job, hopefully with the LA Times. Perhaps not a lead writer at first, but given time my position will rise and so will my salary. Ten years down the road, I will possess a secure job, a more than enough salary, security, and have time to enjoy life's luxuries. A communist can do all of the above, and never gain a lead over the next man. Who doesn't want competititon?

[Palmares]

Quote: from knowledge on 12:30 pm on Mar. 12, 2003
Who doesn't want competititon?

How about an egalitarian? Do you think you are better than other people or something?

You should be in OI's.

[knowledge]

By no means do I think I am better than the next man. In all honesty, I joined this forum after reading an extensive book on Che Guevara. Once I began reading the threads, I got the feeling that the typed words towards America were twisted and bias. My apologies, I was momentarily hot-headed.

[Hate Your State]

"I cannot complain. Yes, I live in the US, no my family is not wealthy, but I have put in tremendous time and effort throughtout college, and in less than 8 months, my journalism degree will be laced. From there, I obtain a job, hopefully with the LA Times. Perhaps not a lead writer at first, but given time my position will rise and so will my salary. Ten years down the road, I will possess a secure job, a more than enough salary, security, and have time to enjoy life's luxuries. A communist can do all of the above, and never gain a lead over the next man. Who doesn't want competititon? "

Or you could struggle to find a desk job with all the newly laid-off government employees in the job market and end up living in a cheap apartment with roaches under the fridge, like many other supposedly 'competitive' Americans who have equal oppurtunity. Don't kid yourself, it's not that easy. There are thousands of things that can happen that will hinder your success.

I DO NOT WANT COMPETITION. Capitalism encourages competition (conflict) over cooperation (unity). I know which I would choose.

[knowledge]

Quote: from Hate Your State on 4:19 am on Mar. 12, 2003
"I cannot complain. Yes, I live in the US, no my family is not wealthy, but I have put in tremendous time and effort throughtout college, and in less than 8 months, my journalism degree will be laced. From there, I obtain a job, hopefully with the LA Times. Perhaps not a lead writer at first, but given time my position will rise and so will my salary. Ten years down the road, I will possess a secure job, a more than enough salary, security, and have time to enjoy life's luxuries. A communist can do all of the above, and never gain a lead over the next man. Who doesn't want competititon? "

Or you could struggle to find a desk job with all the newly laid-off government employees in the job market and end up living in a cheap apartment with roaches under the fridge, like many other supposedly 'competitive' Americans who have equal oppurtunity. Don't kid yourself, it's not that easy. There are thousands of things that can happen that will hinder your success.

I DO NOT WANT COMPETITION. Capitalism encourages competition (conflict) over cooperation (unity). I know which I would choose.

Hmm, do you believe everything you see on Canadian television? The US is not facing another "great depression" right now. Finding a job is relatively easy if one's work ethic is hard. Believe me, there are plenty of extremely cheap apartment complexes that are not filled with "roaches and rats", as you seem to think.

[Hate Your State]

I don't watch Canadian television. If you need some sources I suppose I'll get digging.

You don't know how many people live in poverty in your own country, which the 'roaches' comment was a symbol of.

[knowledge]

Quote: from Hate Your State on 4:55 am on Mar. 12, 2003
I don't watch Canadian television. If you need some sources I suppose I'll get digging.

You don't know how many people live in poverty in your own country, which the 'roaches' comment was a symbol of.

And you act as if Communist countries contain no poverty.

[Hate Your State]

I said nothing of the sort. Cuba only has starving children because of a US imposed economic blockade. They aren't allowed to have imported parts for their bloody cars! And you wonder why communist countries are poverty-stricken?

[knowledge]

Quote: from Hate Your State on 5:03 am on Mar. 12, 2003
I said nothing of the sort. Cuba only has starving children because of a US imposed economic blockade. They aren't allowed to have imported parts for their bloody cars! And you wonder why communist countries are poverty-stricken?

After all these years, it is hard to believe that the Cuban government has not yet acquired the skills to produce the objects they desire. Still dependant on the US. Cuba would have been better off had the Batista regime remained intact.

[Hate Your State]

Haha, and you call yourself a Che-admirer. Why the hell is his image your avatar when you can't even respect his achievements?

Cuba DOES produce the objects it needs. It smelts and forges the parts needed for it's vehicles, that's why there are so many cars from the 1950s on its streets.

Not only does the US not import anything from it's own stockpiles, it disallows other countries from importing certain things as well, mostly related to simple human sustenance. That's what an economic blockade is

(Edited by Hate Your State at 6:43 am on Mar. 12, 2003)

[Xanderbeaux]

this doesnt fit in the conversation now but, What the US is doing to Mexico is sending representatives to tell mexico that it has to cooperate and that something will happen if they dont while meanwhile they soften that up by having washington say that America is patient and that they will only be dissapointed if mexico doesnt back them up. if fox really does say yes to bush hell be so freaken unpopular because no one in mex wants to be pulled into a war based on a foreign whim

[Hate Your State]

Aye, well-said.

[Katarina]

Here is a couple of responses from Che's son Camilo Guevara in an interview conducted in 1998 that I feel relates to the topic of economic blockade that Hate Your State brought up.

Q: How are things in Cuba today? The economic situation seems to improve gradually?

Guevara: 1994 was rock-bottom for us. After that the Cuban economy gradually began growing again, which was a miracle, really. And El Che had nothing to do with it! (Laughs) Or maybe, a little. That year made a great impression on us all. Imagine: a country which is the victim of a rigorous economic blockade all of a sudden also loses eighty percent of its trade due to the collapse of Eastern Europe. At the same time the blockade is even tightened, and the prices of Western goods, which we desperately needed just like any other Third World country, keep on rising. And still we managed to let our economy grow. That is the miracle. A very dangerous example. We achieved this without one cent from the International Monitary Fund, nor of any other international financial institution whatsoever! We have showed that you can achieve a lot without money, but with a great political will. I suspect that capitalists around the world are a bit anxious that this example might be followed in other countries. That’s why they try to destroy us with even greater vigour.

and..

Q: Wouldn’t it be wiser to completely ignore the US and tighten the economic ties with Europe?

Guevara: The Europeans aren’t philanthropists either, hey. You have to be realistic: our relationship with Europe depends on what we can earn from one another. But the US executes pressure onto Europe, a lot of pressure. Northern-Europe resists the Helm-Burton law (American law that tries to prevent non-American industry to trade with Cuba) and we are glad about that. But is that because the Europeans are in love with Cuba? No, its a question of sovereignty. How can one country accept that another country forbids it to trade with the rest of the world?