How you view a perfect (almost perfect) World?

[hemybel]

I made a thread in different topic... one person reacted, he said that it was not his idea to dominate the world because that's imperialism. :huh: that's too negative... this is what i mean... if your idea of a perfect world is to have a world just like what we have.. then you've got it already.. I mean if he dominated the world... it means what he wants happens... you don't have to imperialize the world... where everyone is following your orders... if your order is not to follow all your orders.... then you've got it... If you are the leader of the whole world, i don't mean that you're sitting in a bench like a king... you have your own view of how you would like to dominate the world.... if your view is a perfect communist society then you've got it... but this is a different thread...
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN IN THIS WORLD? Where do you want it to end, your struggle for a better place? You want to see a supermarket that is so clean that you can sleep on the floor, everyone is following the rules, all who commit mistakes will have to face real justice?, no violence, there's no class system, everyone has the same right as that of the rich people? You really like it? No violence, almost zero crime, and what? Then... the final question is... if you've got it all... you won't rebel against the system anymore?

Well, I think we can't have a world like that.. a world with a system, a perfect system such as that will produce citizens who are lazy... no reason to struggle... and everything will just come back the way they are....

[JKP]

What's all this about?

And no, there is no such thing as a perfect world, because that's subjective.

[hemybel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 06:59 AM
What's all this about?

And no, there is no such thing as a perfect world, because that's subjective.
NO. You are already making a conclusion on how "subjective" it was... You didn't read it... not exactly perfect ... i'm looking for what is almost perfect for you... (whenever i say a perfect world you see a butterfly... a child running in a grassfield laughing... shit like that... that's not what i mean...) you see... i'm looking for a direction here.... What this thread means is ... what are you really trying to achieve? What's the peek of it... once you achieve it... how the world should look.... that's what I mean. Should you say exactly the way it is happening now in China?

[VonClausewitz]

The perfect world for me would be one wherein everyone is provided for; there can be rich and less-rich, but not destitute poor. Just everybody can live comfortably, and a singular central government would regulate everything. That way, war couldn't break out as there would not be any machinery to conduct a war, appart from on the part of the government.

Plus, it'd put an end to pointless political extremism, and sites like this one and stormfront would become obsolete, as no ammount of moaning could prove the perfect society imperfect.

[JKP]

Originally posted by hemybel+Jan 27 2006, 12:28 AM--> (hemybel @ Jan 27 2006, 12:28 AM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 06:59 AM
What's all this about?

And no, there is no such thing as a perfect world, because that's subjective.
NO. You are already making a conclusion on how "subjective" it was... You didn't read it... not exactly perfect ... i'm looking for what is almost perfect for you... (whenever i say a perfect world you see a butterfly... a child running in a grassfield laughing... shit like that... that's not what i mean...) you see... i'm looking for a direction here.... What this thread means is ... what are you really trying to achieve? What's the peek of it... once you achieve it... how the world should look.... that's what I mean. Should you say exactly the way it is happening now in China? [/b]
My perfect universe would be one where I can actually understand your writing style.

[Abood]

My perfect world is a world where there are no rich and no poor. We are all equal. There are no corporations dominating people. Everyone works for himself, not for anyone else. Everyone works because he wants to work, not because he has to.
My perfect world is a world where you don't HAVE to do anything, you do it because you want to... such as schools, jobs, etc etc.
My perfect world is a world where people help each other, volenteeringly, not by force, or to get paid. Money is evil, and it causes people to work unwillingly, just for the sake of gaining money. This causes people to not work, just pretend to work, and get nothing achieved, this is what our world has come to. You ask someone what he's done in his life on his death bed, he would say: i went to school, i went to my job, i got my pay, and now i'm dying.
My perfect world is a place where love exists without having the government to barge in and giving you rules on how to love your lover.
My perfect world is a place where there are no governments. My belief is that, without governments, people would follow what they think is "right or wrong". Why need a government to tell us what's right or wrong?! What if the government isn't right?!
I believe that "rules are made to be broken" That's human nature - everyone tries to do what's he's told is wrong! 'cause he wants to try it!
My perfect world is a world where there are no wars, no opposition, no power. A world where people accept each other the way they are.
My perfect world is a communist world.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

In the perfect world, there is no government, nobody has the "right" or "jurisdiction" to tell you what (not) to do. People live their lives their own way, and make dicisions for themselves. of course, I'd like for everyone to live without any form of jealousy or hatred, but that might be just a little bit too much. A man can dream though, a man can dream.. ^_^

[Columbia]

Mark Twain once wrote that he doubted anyone really wanted to get to heaven, becuase they keep on making a hell out of the world.

A perfect would would have as many "life-style/government" choices available as possible, with freedom of movement between them.

From the "most" capitalist to the "most" Marxist, and all variations imaginable and unimaginable.

Freedom of choice and movement.

[FleasTheLemur]

Utopia's are for madmen (madpeople?). Such perfection is sucide. We would stagnate as a society at large if everything was perfect. Think back to "A Brave New World." Yes, there was no sorrow or hate but the joy was gone as well as the love. I almost fear absoulte perfect.

The good news is though, is that the ultimate goal doesn't have to be utopian in design and of course, mine isn't.

The things my fantasy would hold is -
[list] Democracy on all fronts, including economics (which without democracy on this front, things would become a lot more tragic on other fronts) The end of human suffering due to problems associated to poverty, such as hunger The end or near end of racial, gender, national and orientational discrimination (de facto or otherwise). Either the eratication of war all together or the removing profit FROM war (which would pretty much end war outside of the occational religous scrap).

[Forward Union]

In perfect state of reality, nothing would exist. but as I have trouble pictuiring "nothing" as a state oif being.

I just picture it as a void. M'kay?

[hemybel]

Originally posted by JKP+Jan 27 2006, 10:38 AM--> (JKP @ Jan 27 2006, 10:38 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 12:28 AM

[email protected] 27 2006, 06:59 AM
What's all this about?

And no, there is no such thing as a perfect world, because that's subjective.
NO. You are already making a conclusion on how "subjective" it was... You didn't read it... not exactly perfect ... i'm looking for what is almost perfect for you... (whenever i say a perfect world you see a butterfly... a child running in a grassfield laughing... shit like that... that's not what i mean...) you see... i'm looking for a direction here.... What this thread means is ... what are you really trying to achieve? What's the peek of it... once you achieve it... how the world should look.... that's what I mean. Should you say exactly the way it is happening now in China?
My perfect universe would be one where I can actually understand your writing style. [/b]
Am I being discriminated here?

I'm just kicking your balls... :lol: well you don't understand it because it's hard for me to express it in english. WTF i was born in Asia... this country they claim that we are English speaking people... more english speaking people than UK... it was all bullshit.... we really don't speak that language everywhere... i'm sorry ok...

Anyway, you don't understand it because you really don't read closer.... I want to learn something from you guys... What's on your mind? Where are you going here? Because your "Ideal Career" .... you work hard, you study hard, etc... because... you want to be a sucessful businessman with 4 kids, a house, etc... but i'm asking about your ideal world... your perfect world... define it... if you can't it means you're full of bullshit... you're going nowhere you just want to express your anger....

[hemybel]

Now most of you wrote your idea of a perfect world...
that's where all your contribution must end.... the result... the sum of the equation.... now... once you've got that perfect world.... and we say it lasts for 700 years... then the world ended.... now.... after 7 billion years... there's no trace of that great civilization... just like how you don't care about something that doesn't exist..... now, what's the purpose? Why you should need to work, to protect the rights of the people, to fight against the evil people of our society....you know... doing all those things to achieve that goal.... where there's equality, no rich and poor.... (A brave new world) where's the value of that greatness if you don't believe in the supreme being, the witness of all things? It will all be gone.... and you know that.... I just simply don't understand why would you try if you know it will be destroyed forever? Why if you don't believe in eternal witness?... that's all.....

[La Comédie Noire]

In A Perfect World......The Individual Will Decide His Obligations Not Some Hierarchal Command.

[Zingu]

Where man can be of his own essence and free to use his unalienated labor to his own fulfillment and happiness.

[Sentinel]

one person reacted

That would be me, I presume? ;)


it means what he wants happens...

Ok, that's a little different than dominating.


WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN IN THIS WORLD?
Where do you want it to end, your struggle for a better place?

In global communism. A world where mankind together rule over their own destiny.
All kinds of chains, mental and physical, are gone. Egoism is considered a disease.


You want to see a supermarket that is so clean that you can sleep on the floor

Not only that, a supermarket with no cashiers actually! :)


everyone is following the rules, all who commit mistakes will have to face real justice?

Yes.


no violence

No unjustified at least.


there's no class system

That's the goal, yes.


everyone has the same right as that of the rich people

After the abolishment of money there will be no such thing as rich people. If
you mean the same rights the rich people have now, of course not.

No-one will be able to take advantage of others in a negative way, or oppress anyone.


if you've got it all... you won't rebel against the system anymore?

No fat chance I would :)


Well, I think we can't have a world like that.. a world with a system, a perfect system such as that will produce citizens who are lazy... no reason to struggle... and everything will just come back the way they are....

Here you are fundamentally wrong, my friend. When people no longer have to struggle to stay alive, they can finally start living for their fullfillment! We can only try to imagine the explosion of creativity in this future, free world.

[ItalianCommie]

Yep. If a communistic way of life isn't perfect, it's certainly better for humanity than any other system that shall be ever conceived. If people oppose it, then they are either egoistic inhuman people or they're simply ignorant. If at one time we True Socialists were considered Utopians, we are now unanimously considered revolutionaries.

Hasta la Vitoria... SIEMPRE! :hammer:

[hemybel]

Reply to the sentinel: i've seen a science fiction ... star trek... that's for nerds... i'm no nerd... but i think it's year 4,000 or something ... money is like a thing of the past.. but i think everyone knows that we're all going there... but it might not be communism... did i wrote too many "..." ..... here ...... ....... ......... enjoy! hehehe :lol: anyway, i'm trying to write as fast as i could i only have a brief time to check this forum. anyway... goodbye.... i'll be back again.

My point here in this topic is that everything won't lasts forever... why do we try to do something that we know won't lasts forever?

[Sentinel]

... money is like a thing of the past.. but i think everyone knows that we're all going there...

Not everyone knows it, unfortunately, but it is a fact, yes.


but it might not be communism

What's your guess, then?


did i wrote too many "..." ..... here ...... ....... ......... enjoy! hehehe

No, actually I think it quite aptly symbolizes your uncoherent way of thinking, typical to the religious.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


My point here in this topic is that everything won't lasts forever... why do we try to do something that we know won't lasts forever?

It's not about making the revolution happen, it will happen, but about trying to speed up the process.

[red team]

My point here in this topic is that everything won't lasts forever... why do we try to do something that we know won't lasts forever?

Because as long as the Human race exists, future generations would reap the benefits of our work, just like I benefitted from the work done by our ancestors whose altruism extended across generations. What this is really about is the irrational fear of death which is really a discontinuity in self awareness if you think about it. What makes us human is our experiences not because we are somehow unique because of our self identity. Fear of death makes about as much sense as fear of being born because "I" could just as well experience life as someone born in the future if "I" cease to exists now. I don't fear loss of my self identity which comes along with death nor do I fear the discontinuity of self awareness which comes from the natural passing of human generations.


Red Team

[hemybel]

you give cookie to a dog to do some tricks and so as humans. there should always a reward into something... money as we know it will be gone... but system? communism? could be...but it has expiration date... like everything else... coz nothing lasts forever.

[shamrok16]

Well the perfect world of course would be no war (which is already something that will never happen). Obviously that pretty much does it, since the best scientific, technological, and any other type of advancements are made in times of peace. Of course its pointless to even bother trying to create world peace, since pretty much the only thing the human race enjoys doing is inventing new ways to kill their enemy. But ya, world peace is would have to be the perfect world.
But if your looking for a more realistic answer, then no religion would work too (the last time the church ran the known world, women were being burned at the stake by the thousands and men would march 20 year son a holy war to land they never heard of).

[Iroquois Xavier]

Originally posted by hemybel+Jan 30 2006, 05:52 AM--> (hemybel @ Jan 30 2006, 05:52 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 12:28 AM

[email protected] 27 2006, 06:59 AM
What's all this about?

And no, there is no such thing as a perfect world, because that's subjective.
NO. You are already making a conclusion on how "subjective" it was... You didn't read it... not exactly perfect ... i'm looking for what is almost perfect for you... (whenever i say a perfect world you see a butterfly... a child running in a grassfield laughing... shit like that... that's not what i mean...) you see... i'm looking for a direction here.... What this thread means is ... what are you really trying to achieve? What's the peek of it... once you achieve it... how the world should look.... that's what I mean. Should you say exactly the way it is happening now in China?
My perfect universe would be one where I can actually understand your writing style.
Am I being discriminated here?

I'm just kicking your balls... :lol: well you don't understand it because it's hard for me to express it in english. WTF i was born in Asia... this country they claim that we are English speaking people... more english speaking people than UK... it was all bullshit.... we really don't speak that language everywhere... i'm sorry ok...

Anyway, you don't understand it because you really don't read closer.... I want to learn something from you guys... What's on your mind? Where are you going here? Because your "Ideal Career" .... you work hard, you study hard, etc... because... you want to be a sucessful businessman with 4 kids, a house, etc... but i'm asking about your ideal world... your perfect world... define it... if you can't it means you're full of bullshit... you're going nowhere you just want to express your anger.... [/b]
This thread has a serious addiction to ellipses... :rolleyes:

[Seong]

there should always a reward into something... money as we know it will be gone... but system? communism? could be...but it has expiration date... like everything else... coz nothing lasts forever.

How observant of you.
Perhaps this is true. Communism may not be the ultimate solution, but it is sure as hell a step in the right direction.

My world would be getting fairly close to perfect if all the narrow-minded self proclaimed liberalist wankers would see that the way of the left is best. But since this is unlikely I just wish their incessant yammering would cease.