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sapho
26th January 2006, 23:24
According to Socialist Worker, it is legal for the U.S government to do the following:


-- Look at your private medical records, what you buy, what you study and what books you read. Section 215 of the Patriot Act gives the FBI and other law enforcement agencies access to a broad variety of personal records without having to have probable cause or obtain a search warrant. It also makes it a crime for those who are compelled to turn over records--be they business owners, doctors, librarians, etc.--to reveal that they have been forced to give up the information.

-- Search your home without telling you. Under Section 213, the government can conduct secret “sneak and peek” searches of an individual’s home or office. They can take pictures, seize property and even collect DNA samples--without ever having to tell the individual that a warrant was issued.

-- Label protesters who engage in civil disobedience as “domestic terrorists.” Under Section 802 of the Patriot Act, “domestic terrorism” is defined as any act that is “dangerous to human life,” involves a violation of any state or federal law, and is intended to influence government policy. That definition is so broad that it could apply to protesters at an antiwar march where there are minor acts of vandalism, or a civil disobedience action where protesters resist arrest.

-- Seize business and financial records. Section 505 allows the government to use National Security Letters (NSLs) to seize business and financial records--as well as, in some instances, the membership lists of organizations that provide Internet service. In November, the Washington Post revealed that the FBI now issues more than 30,000 National Security Letters each year--up from a few hundred a year before the Patriot Act.

-- Detain immigrants for a week without charges--and indefinitely on minor charges. Section 412 allows the attorney general to “certify” that an immigrant or non-citizen is a terrorist or a threat to national security--without having to show probable cause or charge or convict them of any specific crime. That person can then be detained for a week without being charged with any crime. They can be detained longer, as long as the government can find an excuse like a minor immigration violation to charge them with. And if a suspect in jail on an immigration violation cannot be deported, they can be detained indefinitely--as long as the attorney general certifies every six months that national security is at stake.

:ph34r:

loveme4whoiam
26th January 2006, 23:49
Well now, that's one of the most frightening things I've ever heard. And only Bush administration would call such a travesty against civil rights the "Patriot Act". I am SO glad I live in the UK, although I think we have similar laws, at least as far as immigrants are concerned.

/fearful

Comrade Ben
27th January 2006, 00:59
Wow...Dzerzhinsky's work lives on!

Delirium
27th January 2006, 01:13
This is nothing new, along with the 'war on drugs' americans have hardly any 4th amendment rights left. If you are an american and what to know what the piggies can and cant do a good book is You & the Police! (http://www.freecolorado.com/2003/04/boston.html), by Boston T. Party a libertarian but good information nonetheless.

Vladislav
27th January 2006, 01:28
Holy shit. If I was living in America I'd be so paranoid.I'd probably stop using the phone. I'm guessing that if your against George Bush then you are counted as a terrorist. There are a lot of terrorists in this world.
It's gonna be a happy day when George Bush dies.

Zero
27th January 2006, 03:16
Sorry, because of that blatent dissreguard for America's National Security, we are going to have to arrest you, and hold you indefinately Vladislav.

Vladislav
27th January 2006, 03:31
Sorry, because of that blatent dissreguard for America's National Security, we are going to have to arrest you, and hold you indefinately Vladislav.

No. Please I'll never do it again. Noooooo. I'm sorry.I'm sorry. I love George Bush*cough*.
;)

sapho
27th January 2006, 15:31
PROTESTING AGAINST the Bush administration could become a lot more difficult if the latest version of the Patriot Act passes without revision.

Currently, the Secret Service is authorized to charge suspects with breaching security or disruptive behavior at National Special Security Events--but only if the president or another person under the protection of the service is in attendance.

Last month, it was revealed that under the latest version of the Act, protesters could be tossed into jail for even less. The new bill would allow the Secret Service to cordon off areas, enforce exclusion zones and jail people for disruptive behavior at any event deemed a “special event of national significance,” even if no one under Secret Service protection were scheduled to speak or attend.

Judging from news reports, the Secret Service’s definition of “disruptive behavior” includes anyone expressing an opinion contrary to the president’s.

In 2004, for example, Nicole and Jeff Rank were arrested by the Secret Service in Charleston, W.Va.--for wearing T-shirts that read “Love America, Hate Bush" and "Regime change starts at home" to the president’s July 4 appearance. Last March, the Secret Service expelled two Denver students from a “town hall” forum on Social Security reform with President Bush--because they had an antiwar bumper sticker on their car." :ph34r:

Tormented by Treachery
28th January 2006, 09:59
Yeah, as an American, there are more than a few things that scare us shitless:

1) All of the aforementioned Patriot Act actions, in conjunction with

2) The Unauthorized wiretapping Without court order, in conjunction with

3) The president pissing on Article I, Section 8, and declaring war on Iraq, in clear violation of the fucking Constitution, in conjunction with

4) The heightened illusion of national danger subduing the masses.

Those of us paying attention are scared. If I get sniped tonight, you'll know why.

Commie Rat
28th January 2006, 11:34
and suddenly aus seems like a half decent place

cbm989
31st January 2006, 03:15
not only that but clause 605 (i think its 605) says there is to be the creation of a uniformed secret service that is armed and can arrest wihtout warrants. sounds like millitary police to me. sounds like a dictatorship.

Tormented by Treachery
31st January 2006, 07:04
Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 03:34 AM
not only that but clause 605 (i think its 605) says there is to be the creation of a uniformed secret service that is armed and can arrest wihtout warrants. sounds like millitary police to me. sounds like a dictatorship.
They can also detain you indefinitely without access to legal counsel.

matiasm
31st January 2006, 10:03
Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 28 2006, 11:53 AM
and suddenly aus seems like a half decent place
yeah i live in aus down under land too, its not so bad, if it wasnt for its capitalist system, australia would be a decent place.

loveme4whoiam
31st January 2006, 17:28
The Unauthorized wiretapping Without court order


Creation of a uniformed secret service that is armed and can arrest wihtout warrants. sounds like millitary police to me. sounds like a dictatorship.


They can also detain you indefinitely without access to legal counsel.

Jebus B. Christo. I swear I will never enter the United States under the current political situation. This sends a fucking chill to my bones. I would be feeling really damned nervous if I were living in hte US right now :(

Tormented by Treachery
31st January 2006, 21:01
All I can say, as an American, is fuck.

Comrade Ben
31st January 2006, 23:11
You all realize, that just because we visit this site has probably gotten us a mark in ol' Uncle Sam's notes, right? So...in expectance of the NSA knocking on my door, I would like to say one thing....I love you, America! *cough*

sapho
31st January 2006, 23:27
LOL at Comrade Ben...

Yeah I love America too..cough cough cough cough cough. :ph34r:

syme
1st February 2006, 19:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 05:47 PM
Jebus B. Christo. I swear I will never enter the United States under the current political situation. This sends a fucking chill to my bones. I would be feeling really damned nervous if I were living in hte US right now :(
if you ever do come here, take me with you when you leave. please

loveme4whoiam
4th February 2006, 00:14
Interesting fact I learned while studying the French Revolution today.

Rousseau (played in a quite good video by the new Doctor Who :lol:) fled to America as he feared the arbitrary arrest powers of Louis XVI (yes? I'm just going by what I've been told).

They can also detain you indefinitely without access to legal counsel.
Sounds a fair bit like arbitary arrest to me. And, you might be interested to know, when I raised this point in case I was quickly shushed down. Funny, eh? <_<

Tormented by Treachery
4th February 2006, 15:34
Yeah, for an American such as myself, hilarious.

[/sarcasm]

FULL METAL JACKET
4th February 2006, 16:28
Ok this month I have

1. Borrowed Marx-Engles reader from the library.
2. Borrowed Special Operational Techniques
3. Borrowed State and Revolution by Lenin
4. Purchased Extreme Accuracy by Nobitt by credit card..
5. Visited the FARC&#39;s official site

Am pretty sure am being watched :unsure:

Tormented by Treachery
4th February 2006, 18:18
Full Metal Jacket, you probably have a CIA agent looking at you right now. So randomly flip him off :D