Enough Bullshit

[truthaddict11]

I think it is time we put down our petty differences on small issues and unite against Capitalism. There are too many socialist and communist groups that all put down each other and declaring thier party as the best. I have talked to the green party SP-USA and others and they all do this.Meanwhile the Religous Right and Capitalists are standing together. If we want to make change we must stand together. We must fight for Socialism instead of fighting each other.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I agree...

and believe that we leftists are in general more intellectual, more of a thinkers than right wingers. Because it takes a lot of thinking to think a whole other way than your surroudings, which is captalist.

And because our experiences shape our opinions and we will never have the same experiences, we will always have a different in thinking. That's something we must accept.

We are all diferent and that's something we must accept, we must not waste our energy fighting our differences, but put our energy in good discussions and fighting captalisme, together!

[Political Suicide]

Socialism is about equality. We should consider that when looking at our brothers and sister's conflicting beliefs. I agree with you both. Its time to throw down the petty arguments over the small difference in opinion or theory, its time we unite for the one common goal that we have and that is to establish a socialist country/world.

[Kez]

u can be wrong and unnited, or correct and forward

if the bolsheviks had unnited with the mensheviks we wud not have had a russian revolution, but instead a situation like in france, germany today where left capitalist (far right socialists like labour party in UK) operate
What me must do is argue our point with other "communists and socialists" and prove we are right, otherwise u gonna have idiots like the socialist alliance wasting everyones time

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Thats true, I am not going to alliance with anyone who is too far of my views and I had left room for discussion in my theory.

But something we must accept, is that we will never agree on everything. So to unite we must let the small details open and unite to persuade our common goals.

If it goes on like this, we will never be able to grab the chance for a socialist world.

[Show me the Money]

i disagree, trutha.11, we are united.. now we should strike.
tolerate bussinessmen who are doing good things.. whom are (mistakenly) aware of the inevidability of capitalism, and do their best to create a so social aware company as possible.. not making 85% profit, monopolizing, etc. We should support them.. and oppose any diehard cappies, with the medium that will never silence us.. the Internet(recently the UN said Afghanistan is going online too(altough the ppl have to deal with the watching eye of the «democratic» imperial hegemony of it's US puppet leader)!).

ShoMo


(Edited by Show me the Money at 3:56 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

We aren't united. We are diveded in maoism, trotskysm, socialism, communism etc.

We far -left, -anarchist should unite and not let us divide by small things.

[Show me the Money]

while most leftists regard themselves as thinkers, we make up stupid names for ourself based on leaders/state officials we most belief are (better yet.. were) doing stuff the way they should.. but imo, there's also the rightie's unnamed factions, which could be discribed as Reaganism, BushWism, Sharonism, berlusconiism, blairism...and so on.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

But, we have a world to conquer and that for we must unite!

[Show me the Money]

the cappies aren't united they just tolerate each others power over the system, because they no they can do nothing about it than to go with the flow and make some money... they corrupting the system... they're not united ... they compete.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

K, that's true, but like I said, our system is not based on competing each, but uniting mankind, it's time that we start acting like it.

Our system is based on respect for each other and not on competing each other.

[CubaVictoria1983]

I'm glad there's more of you that think like this. I mean, I put a post up similar to this one a while ago and got called Ms/Mr Kumbaya and then I got threats that there was some plane that was gonna shoot me down, come on now, how lame is that? I do think that a lot of us are divided because we all have our different views. We should centralize our feelings on the cause, and that is to be equal. 'Cause we all are, after that is accepted, I think anything can be achieved.

Power for the people :)

(Edited by CubaVictoria1983 at 12:50 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Absolutly, by uniting in groups of ten, which al have different names, ain't gonna help us.

[Show me the Money]

couldn't agree more CCCP(Edit in: was reffering to your 9pm post), but, not like the capitalist, «our» system is the only real system created by men to serve all mankind, to change from a multi-class society to a class-less society, were everyone is indeed equal(if you talk about the materialistic, imo(everyone should be alowed to uphold there own culture)), but on the other hand the real conservative/elitist capitalists who own monopolies and thereby extremenly profitable bussinesses, live in many individual systems.. conform to their own lifes, just how their urge to make money and enjoy live to the fullest, and there selfishness takes them. there's no 1 capitalistic system.. one of the important things in (marketing) systems made by company's are to differentiate. no matter how difficult it is for a normal human being to understand their crazy bussiness mumbo jumbo, they make their own interpretetion of it and go their own way... the only reason cappies think they are upholding a system is because they envy the political systems they oppose..
well, only our imo united effort for the cause we belief in. furthermore.. economic liberals(politicians) aren't upholding a system, they're destroying the system itself.

to conclude.. imo we should tolerate that the social policies made by governments are mostly class-specific(every class is usually threated differently, but it is not how it should be(power is sometimes even given(i.g. in the US) to the elitist and ruling class. threating social classes different should lead us to communism(equalty) and is therefore a neccesity) , but co-operate with them to make them leftist, and to give the power to proletariat.

hope it makes sense,

regards,
ShoMo

(Edited by Show me the Money at 11:35 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[chamo]

Though there is one thing which definetly unites all of us, equailty, justice, freedom (ok more than one), we must set aside our petty differences. No people can fight off an unjust system if they themselves are not together, no point is started upon, no point can be finished upon. Within the general cause we must be united, for the good of the whole world, not to serve our own interests or the interest of a nation but the world's.

[Show me the Money]

capitalism isn't a system, it's some ppl's human nature.

Sho Mo

[CheViveToday]

Ok, so everyone agrees we should unite. I agree as well. I bet most leftists could agree to unification. Alright then, the question of SHOULD we unite is behind us. The next and much more difficult question is HOW should we unite?

(Edited by CheViveToday at 7:55 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[Show me the Money]

we could be even better united.. but still let room for differences.. like in a democracy.. ever heard about it?:cheesy:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

D...D.D..Demo.mo..Demo.c.ccracy?

Sorry I live in a monarchy, where commies are wacthed by the secret service.

I heard that word from a politician once.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Show me the Money on 10:32 pm on Mar. 10, 2003
couldn't agree more CCCP(Edit in: was reffering to your 9pm post), but, not like the capitalist, «our» system is the only real system created by men to serve all mankind, to change from a multi-class society to a class-less society, were everyone is indeed equal(if you talk about the materialistic, imo(everyone should be alowed to uphold there own culture)), but on the other hand the real conservative/elitist capitalists who own monopolies and thereby extremenly profitable bussinesses, live in many individual systems.. conform to their own lifes, just how their urge to make money and enjoy live to the fullest, and there selfishness takes them. there's no 1 capitalistic system.. one of the important things in (marketing) systems made by company's are to differentiate. no matter how difficult it is for a normal human being to understand their crazy bussiness mumbo jumbo, they make their own interpretetion of it and go their own way... the only reason cappies think they are upholding a system is because they envy the political systems they oppose..
well, only our imo united effort for the cause we belief in. furthermore.. economic liberals(politicians) aren't upholding a system, they're destroying the system itself.

to conclude.. imo we should tolerate that the social policies made by governments are mostly class-specific(every class is usually threated differently, but it is not how it should be(power is sometimes even given(i.g. in the US) to the elitist and ruling class. threating social classes different should lead us to communism(equalty) and is therefore a neccesity) , but co-operate with them to make them leftist, and to give the power to proletariat.

hope it makes sense,

regards,
ShoMo

(Edited by Show me the Money at 11:35 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)


Huh?

What are you talking about, soz after your first line I couldn't follow it anymore. Try to make it clear to me in Dutch.

[Show me the Money]

what didn't you understand, CCCP..? i prefer to post in english.. if it doesn't make sense, it's just me, not my english.

Sho Mo

[Show me the Money]

but besides that, we could organize a Platform for Unity.

i suggest, we make one Platform for each represented country on Che-Lives to co-operate with the national parties there, to organize resistance against unjust, etc.

[Hate Your State]

"and believe that we leftists are in general more intellectual, more of a thinkers than right wingers. "

Aye, in a way I'd say you're correct. The right wingers are intelligent when it comes to exploiting people and winning in the capitalist system, but for many people that seems like evil, including me.

I'm sure there are some of them who know that their system must repress the lower class, or else they'll lose their privileges as the elite. I wouldn't necessarily say that there aren't as many intellectuals among the right wing.

[革命者]

we aren't united; we should unite with the indifferent and unpolitical ppl in society.. they want a better world, just like we do!

[Show me the Money]

Quote: from Show me the Money on 8:54 pm on Mar. 11, 2003
but besides that, we could organize a Platform for Unity.

i suggest, we make one Platform for each represented country on Che-Lives to co-operate with the national parties there, to organize resistance against unjust, etc.

i mean, like i.g. nadir.org in Germany is a platform for unity, which has proven to make a difference.. just look at Che-Lives!! ; you can't really say we are not united..; any more agreement and this board will become obsolete!!

ShoMo

[Show me the Money]

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(Edited by Show me the Money at 10:18 am on Mar. 14, 2003)