PETA

[ComTom]

I was watching Kong, a new movie recently released by the fat turned skinny director of Lord of the Rings series, Peter Jackson. It was a compelling movie that touched my heart and excited me and put me through many emotions. At the end I felt a sense of anger towards people who killed animals when Kong was toppled off the Empire State Building of the big apple. But when I got home I heard how a animal rights activist group in Canada brutally beat a woman who was wearing fur. I of course as a leftist, support millitant movements, BUT ANIMALS AND TREES? Do people even matter to you vegans out there.

There was a thing called the food chain, and ever since the dawn of the human race there has been a food chain. I love meat because it taste GOOD! If you radical vegans in PETA are gonna go off killing meatpackers and blowing factories, wiping out prolateriat's jobs, I am gonna have to retaliate against you freaks out there. IF YOUR GONNA KILL BUTCHERS, KILL NATIVE AMERICANS FOR SLAUGHTERING ALL THOSE ANIMALS, OR MAYBE GUN DOWN STARVING AFRICAN CHILDREN WHO ARE CHEWING ON ANIMALS TO SURVIVE! Take a look at this website vegans:

Anti-Peta info (http://www.peoplekillinganimals.com/antipeta.htm)

[LA GUERRA OLVIDADA]

Theoretically agriculture takes up much more space than the raising of animals. So this notion that African children need to chew on animals isn't true, because if you grew crops instead of animals we would use less space and it would require less labor. What these people are getting at is that animals are exploited by man.

And PETA hasn't killed anyone, PETA is a bunch of 20-something hippies who cry when they see animals being hurt.

I'm no vegan but I definitely understand what these people believe in, not necessarily sure if I like PETA too much though.

[weareyoume]

WHAT!! I knew PETA was crazy but that is crazy. Humans Are Animals Too! Every animal eats meat... No offense to anyone but PETA must be mentaly retarded... They beat a girl for wearing fur... They seem liek a bad organisantion.

[Delirium]

cruelty to animals is wrong, no matter how much you hate hippies. Why dont you look at the issues rather than demonizing somone's idea. It's the same bullshit that gives anarchists and communists the name they have.

[KC]

cruelty to animals is wrong

It is. The factories need to be developed so they kill them cleaner and don't miss any.

[weareyoume]

Originally posted by Datura [email protected] 25 2006, 03:23 AM
cruelty to animals is wrong, no matter how much you hate hippies. Why dont you look at the issues rather than demonizing somone's idea. It's the same bullshit that gives anarchists and communists the name they have.
They beat the women for wearing fur. I respect animal rights as much as the next person but I think humans should care more about human then animals. If saving a animal causes a person to lose there job or life then they should kill the animal instead.

[LA GUERRA OLVIDADA]

Originally posted by weareyoume+Jan 25 2006, 03:35 AM--> (weareyoume @ Jan 25 2006, 03:35 AM)
Datura [email protected] 25 2006, 03:23 AM
cruelty to animals is wrong, no matter how much you hate hippies. Why dont you look at the issues rather than demonizing somone's idea. It's the same bullshit that gives anarchists and communists the name they have.
They beat the women for wearing fur. I respect animal rights as much as the next person but I think humans should care more about human then animals. If saving a animal causes a person to lose there job or life then they should kill the animal instead. [/b]
I'm sure a member of the proletariat was wearing fur.

Someone should ban these fucking Democrats on the board. If I wanted to listen to shitty politics I'd turn on cable news. peace

[which doctor]

We would have to grow and raise a lot less food if we didn't eat animals.

I'm sure most vegans would choose to eat meat if it was a matter of life and death.


Stop critisizing them.

[VonClausewitz]

PETA are morons, they and their 'splinter' groups are renowned for using terror tactics, abuse of people, property, in one case, even digging up one farmers dead grandmother or something along those lines, just to save FARMED animales (Ie, ones that have never had freedom, so don't miss it, and would either die or screw up the eco-system if set free).

[BuyOurEverything]

I'm sure a member of the proletariat was wearing fur.

Someone should ban these fucking Democrats on the board. If I wanted to listen to shitty politics I'd turn on cable news. peace


What, they're not 'communist enough' for you because they don't support random attacks on women who aren't poor?

[commiecrusader]

Every animal eats meat
I don't think this is quite true but I get your point.

The fact of the matter is that killing animals for food is entirely natural, and should not be criticised. If you don't like it then don't eat it but you don't see a radical movement of vegan lions stopping the others from killing animals, because it's natural. It's only because our brains have developed and we have empathy for other species that some people feel it's an issue. However, these people should keep their ideas to themselves rather than forcing it on others.

I personally would never wear fur. However I don't hate people who do, it's personal choice. I would rather they wore fur not from endangered animals though. And I don't understand why they couldn't use fake fur.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 01:27 AM
But when I got home I heard how a animal rights activist group in Canada brutally beat a woman who was wearing fur. I of course as a leftist, support millitant movements, BUT ANIMALS AND TREES? Do people even matter to you vegans out there.


Why concern yourself about some rich woman?
She should get a smack down for selfishly blowing all the money on an expensive fur coat when the food bank has nothing on it's shelves.

In 2002 I was broke as hell--chopping up the furniture to burn in the fireplace-- kinda broke.
I went to the food bank, and don't get me wrong those workers volunteer their time and care about the poor, yet they gave me a bottle of salad dressing that expired in DEC 1988!!!!

Aside from that, you should try to educate yourself about fur farming, which caters to the elite, and the way they kill foxes such as shoving an metal bar up the foxes arse then zapping it with electricity.
If ya have to wear fur then aboriginal people with traplines are a much better source than the greedy scum who run fur farms.

As for trees..... :rolleyes: leave the city sometime.

[VictoryOverWar]

The fact of the matter is that killing animals for food is entirely natural, and should not be criticised.

Hmm this is a interesting comment.........yes killing and eating animals is entirely natural but the way that it is handled today is not. I suggest you all look into industrial chicken farms and tell me just how natural that is. Im a Vegan but it has nothing to do with animal rights and deffinately not PETA. The bottom line is, no matter what government is in power this will be an issue for many people and to simply write them off would make us no better then we are today. So because of this im going to ask a question......why is eating meat and wearing a fur coat necessary for our human survival...or is it simply a privledge you are not willing to give up??

[Atlas Swallowed]

I was told that PETA put down animals by freezing them. If this is true they should blow themselves up, even if it is not true they should blow themselves up.

[Publius]

What a pointless topic, vegetarianism.

Who cares?

[UltraLeftGerry]

PETA is the ultimate example of leftist ideals run amok. It totally distracts people from solving humanity's actual problems. Given the number of celebrities that also work with PETA, it's a way for them to feel good about themselves while they sit on enough money to feed starving villages in Africa for years.

[razboz]

i think we should think this through: The woman who was beat up was weraing fur right? Now lets think of what class of people wear fur: The bourgeoisie and upper-class thats who. Thus chances are she infact was somehow connected to the exploitation of the proletariat (not that theres much of that in canada anyway as far as i understand). There fore beating her up was, if not justified, at least slightly helpfull. if the upper classes are afraid of the proletariat then they will be more repressive and will eventually spark off a revolution. i'm not saying beating up random women in the street is necessarily good in any way, but i guess it can be justified by stretching logic a little way...
Oh and that Anti-PETA website is supported by hunters. Occidental hunters. Hunters in the West are mostly right-wing nutjobs.

[VonClausewitz]

Thus chances are she infact was somehow connected to the exploitation of the proletariat (not that theres much of that in canada anyway as far as i understand). There fore beating her up was, if not justified, at least slightly helpfull.#

Think about what you just said, then think would you say the same if that was your own mother being beaten up for what she wears.

[bezdomni]

But when I got home I heard how a animal rights activist group in Canada brutally beat a woman who was wearing fur. I of course as a leftist, support millitant movements, BUT ANIMALS AND TREES? Do people even matter to you vegans out there.
First of all, fur is bourgeois. Secondly, every vegan and vegetarian isn't a rabid member of PETA (myself, for example). Finally, people are PART of the ecosphere - it is not there for people to just USE without regard or thought of consequence. People have the obligation to protect the environment, because people have the obligation to protect themselves. Do you have any idea how many pigs are shitting in the people's water, do you have any idea how much pollution factory farms shove into the lungs of the workers, do you have any idea how many working people die in slaughterhouses, any idea how much meat is poisioning the minds and bodies of the people?


There was a thing called the food chain, and ever since the dawn of the human race there has been a food chain. I love meat because it taste GOOD!
And I love vegetarianism because I hate destroying my body and the environment. It is also entirely possible to get a great meal without meat. Try Indian sometime.

Humans function perfectly fine (and in many instances, better) when there is very little or no meat in their diet. Meat is not necessary in a human diet, since humans are capable of developing technology to eliminate the necesity of meat.


If you radical vegans in PETA are gonna go off killing meatpackers and blowing factories, wiping out prolateriat's jobs, I am gonna have to retaliate against you freaks out there.
How counter-revolutionary! You are distracting yourself from the real enemy - capitalism! The proletarian is destined to live lives of poverty and desperation regardless of if there is a meat plant or not. Countless people have lost their lives and limbs in these meat packing plants, these organs of bourgeois domination over our lives, labor and health that you are so incredibly fond of.

I also have never heard of PETA blowing up a meat factory. They usually blow up because they are poorly built and terribly insulated. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair - meat plants are a stronghold of worker oppression.

[ComTom]

Originally posted by LA GUERRA OLVIDADA+Jan 25 2006, 04:03 AM--> (LA GUERRA OLVIDADA @ Jan 25 2006, 04:03 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 03:35 AM

Datura [email protected] 25 2006, 03:23 AM
cruelty to animals is wrong, no matter how much you hate hippies. Why dont you look at the issues rather than demonizing somone's idea. It's the same bullshit that gives anarchists and communists the name they have.
They beat the women for wearing fur. I respect animal rights as much as the next person but I think humans should care more about human then animals. If saving a animal causes a person to lose there job or life then they should kill the animal instead.
I'm sure a member of the proletariat was wearing fur.

Someone should ban these fucking Democrats on the board. If I wanted to listen to shitty politics I'd turn on cable news. peace [/b]
I can assure you that even the prolateriat wears fur. My freind who belongs to a working class family and lives in a trailor park owns a fur hat. I can imagine a 12 year old girl who takes a bus to Manhattan and buys a fur jacket after saving up some money getting attacked my PETA members at a rally.

[ComTom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 10:16 PM

But when I got home I heard how a animal rights activist group in Canada brutally beat a woman who was wearing fur. I of course as a leftist, support millitant movements, BUT ANIMALS AND TREES? Do people even matter to you vegans out there.
First of all, fur is bourgeois. Secondly, every vegan and vegetarian isn't a rabid member of PETA (myself, for example). Finally, people are PART of the ecosphere - it is not there for people to just USE without regard or thought of consequence. People have the obligation to protect the environment, because people have the obligation to protect themselves. Do you have any idea how many pigs are shitting in the people's water, do you have any idea how much pollution factory farms shove into the lungs of the workers, do you have any idea how many working people die in slaughterhouses, any idea how much meat is poisioning the minds and bodies of the people?


There was a thing called the food chain, and ever since the dawn of the human race there has been a food chain. I love meat because it taste GOOD!
And I love vegetarianism because I hate destroying my body and the environment. It is also entirely possible to get a great meal without meat. Try Indian sometime.

Humans function perfectly fine (and in many instances, better) when there is very little or no meat in their diet. Meat is not necessary in a human diet, since humans are capable of developing technology to eliminate the necesity of meat.


If you radical vegans in PETA are gonna go off killing meatpackers and blowing factories, wiping out prolateriat's jobs, I am gonna have to retaliate against you freaks out there.
How counter-revolutionary! You are distracting yourself from the real enemy - capitalism! The proletarian is destined to live lives of poverty and desperation regardless of if there is a meat plant or not. Countless people have lost their lives and limbs in these meat packing plants, these organs of bourgeois domination over our lives, labor and health that you are so incredibly fond of.

I also have never heard of PETA blowing up a meat factory. They usually blow up because they are poorly built and terribly insulated. Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair - meat plants are a stronghold of worker oppression.
When I say I will retaliate for people blowing up factories, I will have realize that people lose jobs when their workplace is blown up. PETA is basically a bunch of primitive anarchists and hollywood stars.

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 10:16 PM
Read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair - meat plants are a stronghold of worker oppression.
I support your position, comrade, but The Jungle was written in 1906, I believe, and that was the spark that caused progressive reform (in addition to other muckraking works, like Riis' photography). To say that the conditions are the same today, well, that might be a stretch.

[bcbm]

When I say I will retaliate for people blowing up factories

When have animal rights people ever blown up a factory?


I will have realize that people lose jobs when their workplace is blown up.

Eh, their jobs would probably be on the verge of "relocation" to somewhere with less labor laws anyway.


PETA is basically a bunch of primitive anarchists and hollywood stars.

Primitive anarchists?! Hardly. They're bourgeois reformists dedicated to a single issue. Some may have a wide critique, but by and large most of them are dedicated almost entirely to animal rights, perhaps with some liberal ideas thrown in (ie, vote Democrat).


To say that the conditions are the same today, well, that might be a stretch.

I have to read an anthropological study of meatpacking for one of my classes this semester, so perhaps I will get back to you on this.

[Corvus]

My first post on this site and it is going to be a nasty one.

I am a vegan, not because its "natural" not because "humyns weren't meant to eat meat" but because of the great injustices we put our food through. I enjoyed eating chicken and shrimp, oh' did I enjoy the shrimp. But looking at the environmental costs of animal husbandry and the land required, I cannot support the damaging of our environment, or the merciless killing of so many animals.

Humyns evolved to eat meat. They also evolved to hunt meat. Two eyes forward is an evolvotionary sign of predation of animals, (predation also refers to eating plants, lets not forget) Humyns didn't evolve to farm swine by the millions. Swine didn't evolve to sit in a 1x2 foot pen with three other swine. This is not healthly, just like an improper vegan diet.

On the topic of a healthly diet while vegan or vegetarian, it is quite possible. I have been vegan for one year. During this year I have lead a very, active life. Being vegan has given me more energy in a day, a more consistant, 'defication regime', we will call it that, and protein required for muscle growth. On a side note of health, and active living style. Special forces world wide are suggested/forced into a vegetarian or vegan diet. Nutrietist now know that such a diet allows more energy in a day. Meat, eggs, and milk require excessive amounts of body energy to properly digest. Vegans can look forward to anywhere between 1-3 hour increase in productive days.

Being vegan for a year, I have never had a dietary problem. Not all vegans can attain this state. 60% vegetarians and vegans being female have a problem attaining a stable iron level. This is because they mensutrate monthly, losing blood means your body needs a large amount of daily iron. Besides this, there is only one vitamin that vegans cannot get from a pure vegan diet, this is B12. Forever B12 is fortified in almost all 'vegan' products, ranging from Soya and rice milk, to tofu hamburgers.

Are you aware of how they kill cattle? Stun gun to the head. Cow falls over, a butcher then slits the cattle's throat. Cattle need to be bled before butchered. The cattle's heart must continue to beat, so it can pump the blood out. Bloodly meat will not pass a health inspection.

Do you know what chocolate milk is? After paturization, a certain amount of milk is discoloured from traditional milk. This is blood, urine and other bodily fluids from the cow. This milk is determine to become chocolate milk, the chocolate hides the colouring.

Humyns didn't evolve to drink cattle breast milk. It is thought that humyns evolved to drink HUMYN breast milk until they reach Xage.

Any humyn part of a food chain, is either a dead humyn or a dieing humyn. Please learn the terms before you use them. A food chain has one prey, and optional, one source of predation. Humyns are part of a food web. It is a little more complex, but if you need help with this, I can help you.

An average Canadian requires the same amount of agricultural land as one industrial cattle. And we Canadians need a lot of food, being the 11th largest (fat wise) nation.
Imagine if we could take all that and instead of feeding our desires, spread the wealth around to a straving continent like Africa? What should come first, your wants, or Africa's needs?

PETA is not a group of 22 some-odd radicals, it is a group of radicals, who's numbers have grown according to their site.

To finish up, I am not suggesting that all of you convert to a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle. I would gladly help anyone who would like some recipies. I am not saying PETA is good, I happen to support almost all their action. I happen to also support ALF and ELF, and I have been known to take part in tree-sits and the occasional tree spike.

The hardest part about becoming vegan for myself was giving up my leather coat.

[broken]

PETA sux. So does killing animals but I can't stop eating meat. There are so many people on Earth that deserve to die much more than the average pig or cow does. But that's neither here nor there. PETA makes me laugh. It seems like, contrary to some of the posts on this thread that PETA really is a bunch of 20 year old wanna-be hippies. The difference between PETA hippies and grass smokin', Vietnam protestin' hippies is that the PETA hippies' cause is a cop out. Animals don't complain when they disagree with something that your group advocates, animals don't argue and bicker with your group and most of all animals cannot send you angry emails, at least not that I know of. The whole point is that if we could manage to direct our resources and energies, collectively, toward the same goal maybe we wouldn't all be in the place we are and will continue to be.

[Glasgow]

I dont beleive in telling pepole who can and cant eat meat but cruelty to animals is something that cant be alowed. I know alot of posters are big hunting fans and will not apreciate being told that there "hobby" should be illegal. I am not saying lets arrest the Eskimos but if youre only gain is pleasure in youre huntting activates this can not be justified.

[SocialistGenius]

Comrades:

Other animals eat meat, but they do not grow other animals, let them live their short lives in a 2'x2' box, pecking at eachother, never being able to move, purely for the purpose of eating them. We're basically farming their meat, en masse. It's pretty sick if you think about it.

I'm not a vegetarian but I've always thought this was ridiculous. I think we should raise the animals more humanely and not eat _as much_ meat as we do--it's unhealthy anyway.

I understand eating meat, yes it's natural, but creating an entire industry to exploit animals in bad conditions. These conditions also give rise to things like mad cow disease.

[Seong]

And apparently the Avian flu.
I like meat and I like alot of vegans - but not to eat, they're too stringy :P

I don't know if I agree that 'farming' meat is sick, but the methods currently used should be abolished. The processing of meat is largely the result of capitalist society's ever increasing demand. Animals bred and held for human consumption should not be caged - free range conditions are much more humane and less prone to the development and mutation of disease.

The PETA went way too far. They could have just thrown red paint on the woman and wrecked her coat. Then she would have had to buy another one. Treat animals kindly, but ffs do the same for humans!

[razboz]

How exactly do you treat animals in a more humane manner? They are animals, not humans so treating them like animals is the best thing we can do to them: we should not treat them like humans. (Note im not advocating growing meat in immoral conditons is right).


Treat animals kindly, but ffs do the same for humans!
How exactly will the revolution happen if not by forcefully bringing down the capitalist opressors? even though in this case violence was not entirely warranted, i dont think it can always condemned, especially in the search for revolutionary goals...