Why why?

[hemybel]

Why are we here? Why is there billions and billions of galaxies with billions of stars in it in the Universe? Then in every corner of those clusters of galaxies comes life from which intelligence sprung... then this intelligent being will question the universe after eating his favorite breakfast and reading his news paper? "Why are we here? What the hell is this? What is my purpose of existence?" What difference would it make if you exist or not??? Is there a creator? Is there a God? Should we believe that some powefull force created all of this with purpose? If it doesn't have a purpose, then why are we here? All things from the smallest atoms are here, why? Should I go out to the High-Way and show my butt to everyone coz after 100 years they will all forget about it???? Now this is the question... why you didn't do it? You'll say it's crazy right? Why should I do it? Why? Because life is meaningless for there is no creator? If you die today and die forever because you don't believe in Soul... then... why work, why live, why fall in love, why eat your favorite breakfast, why read the newspapers? Think about it..... as long as you are doing all the things you've been doing.... deep inside of you...deeper... you still believe in the Creator.

[Vladislav]

Too many questions.Ummm.....Big Bang.Uhh... were here because.........each of us has a mission in life. I don't want to moon any one because it's embarrassing..... uhh too many hard questions.

Just live and make babies. :)


P.S this is the sort of stuff I think about when I look up to the night sky.

[Iroquois Xavier]

Squirells :wacko:

[ricardsju]

Now this is the question... why you didn't do it? You'll say it's crazy right? Why should I do it? Why? Because life is meaningless for there is no creator? If you die today and die forever because you don't believe in Soul... then... why work, why live, why fall in love, why eat your favorite breakfast, why read the newspapers? Think about it..... as long as you are doing all the things you've been doing.... deep inside of you...deeper... you still believe in the Creator.

hemybel let me understand your clam. If we don't believe a soul, then we will feel so bad about our selfs that we would stop functioning and maybe even kill ourselfs from lack of motiavsion and lack of a religious purpose BUT the fact that we are still here means that we now/still believe in a Creator.

I am sorry but I believe my purpose is to try to have grandchildren(to suppport the homo-sapien race) .
and I am again sorry but I believe homo-sapien purpose is to evolve to the changing world (to keep the legacy of us Primates from being in vain).

I am sorry but at no point dose a Creator come into my purpose in life.
And I live because we are in-build to try and achieve something, in this modern life this seems to try hopelessly to make capital weath.

[commiecrusader]

If you die today and die forever because you don't believe in Soul... then... why work, why live, why fall in love, why eat your favorite breakfast, why read the newspapers?
Because all those things are enjoyable except for work in a capitalist system, but that will change soon. Nevertheless we must work to get the money we need to do all the other fun things in the world.


Think about it..... as long as you are doing all the things you've been doing.... deep inside of you...deeper... you still believe in the Creator.
No, I fucking don't. I do these things to amuse myself. Have you ever fallen in love? It feels amazing and needs no 'higher being' to justify why I would want to do it. You don't have to have a soul to leave a legacy either. I know about Che not because I'm a higher being and let his soul into my private little members club, but because he led a life worth remembering.

The Creator can go fuck itself if it thinks I do anything for it.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by hemybel
Why?

Why not? :lol:

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[Sentinel]

I think Ricardsju has a point. If we need a purpose for what we do everyday,
I'll go for making this earth more enjoyable for future generations.
In a way, we continue to live in them. I don't see the fact that my consciousness will disappear one day as depressing, really.

When I'm dead I won't care.

But this brings us to the core of the question: Why not be a revolutionary instead? Why not be a communist?

Since there is no afterlife, we must make the best of this world.
Then comes a choice: Either be a criminal asshole (read capitalist) and try to get as much as you can for yourself, or try to make the living conditions of all people optimal.

I think most human beings, without psychopathical disorders of some kind, find happiness in seeing happiness around them. We communists must make people see through capitalist propaganda and realise this.

Even most capitalists want to see their families happy. But we communists consider the human race our family.

We cannot be happy if our brothers and sisters suffer! That's why we choose the
revolutionary path.

It's not an easy path in any way, and should keep one busy enough not to have time enough to think about crap like "purpose of life" or "Is there a Creator?" ;)

So let's do it comrades, let's forget about creators and purposes and strive towards communism. :)

[STI]

There is no reason why we're here. Our existence is a matter of chance. Our planet *just happened to be* such that life *just happened to* develop - and the rest, as they say, is history.

We have no "reason" or "purpose" for living. If we live it's because we were born into it. If we continue to live, it's because we choose to and chance occurrences don't stop from living. Nothing more, nothing less.

The only reason to do something is because you want to (or because it is a means to an end you want - in the case of work or revolution). I eat because if I don't, I'll die and won't be alive anymore. I don't want that, so I'll eat. If I eat sugary cereals instead of boring ones, I'll have a more enjoyable time, so I'll do that. On the other hand, it may give me cavities or make me unhealthy, so I have to decide what I want to do based on what I judge to be in my own self-interest.

That's really all there is.

[Comrade J]

I agree, why does there have to be a reason?
We're just here, I think people ought to stop wasting their lives discussing why we're here, and instead concentrate on what we ought to do whilst we're here.

Kids dying of disease throughout the world, and people with phenomenally high levels of intelligence are sitting around tables or in lecture halls talking about 'God's plan' and why he lets this stuff happen, or whether there is some kind of karma and these people are deservingly being punished for a past life. From the very start, it's blatantly obvious that you're not going to find an answer, even if you do devote 40+ years of your life to it. Perhaps it would be better for people with such high intellect to devote their time and effort to providing a solution, instead of some spiritual reason to suppress their guilt.

[hemybel]

This is the best answer among all:


"I think most human beings, without psychopathical disorders of some kind, find happiness in seeing happiness around them. We communists must make people see through capitalist propaganda and realise this.

Even most capitalists want to see their families happy. But we communists consider the human race our family.

We cannot be happy if our brothers and sisters suffer! That's why we choose the
revolutionary path. "




It seems that we're all here considering the human race our family. If we're all family, we symphatized our brothers who sinned... we fight for what is right... so we can make all things right as long as we can... (or left if that's what you are)

And.. most of you say that why should we ask for a reason right??? I have a deeper point that I want to emphasize but it's just hard... it's more like.... What is this?.... Try to imagine that you're flying/floating outside this planet... and even the milkyway in a far far space in the Universe is impossible to see... then you saw a floating rock.... from that far far empty space in the universe... then ask yourself... What is this... why is it here??? How it begun? Why it all begun? And I see that just like me before, your answer is like this It's not an easy path in any way, and should keep one busy enough not to have time enough to think about crap like "purpose of life" or "Is there a Creator?" Now you're not thinking 4th dimensionally... Ok let's say that you became the best Communist leader in the world, you dominated the world and everyone loves you and you made the world the way you imagined it.... a utopian planet... where everyone is equal... where there's no poverty, everyone is happy..... not a 100% perfect but almost...and it lasts for a million years....and after that million years.. an asteroid hits the planet... and after a million years the place we called the Solar system is gone.... and after 6 Billion Years... well.... that's too many years... everything is not there anymore.... It will all gone..... now why get yourself busy if there's no way that it will last forever????? Why do something good that won't last forever? You say that you follow your instict... you want to keep on living that's why you have to keep yourself happy.... you feed yourself... you sleep right... and the purpose is not the Creator... you simply just want to do what you want... Are you a slave then? Of evolution? Of your feelings? Of the world around you? Why rebel if there's no way you can remove these chains... because you like it.... you love it.... you can never be free from yourself.... Why is wrong wrong? Why killing an innocent man wrong then? If you killed him and after 6 billion years it meant nothing, if there's no ultimate judgement upon you..then why not? You'll say, "We're not there yet"... now why be here if all of this is meaningless and has no purpose? . Is there really such thing as equality or was it just an illusion? ...because everywhere I look I see a bigger fish eating the smaller fish.... I see it in nature, a vine climbs up in a tree and dominates it... I see heirarchy everywhere...I see simple middle class noblemen fighting against their tyrant King, Emperor, President, whatever the system is... I see corruption everywhere, I see Rebels too, their superior are not treating their subordinates the way they are supposed to be treated... but they are nicer before they became the Leader of the nation... A brave Knight fought for their Kingdom, He became a king... he is wise, moral, and established a perfect system of government, he is nice to the people especially the oppressed... he freed the slaves... then he died... A King like him replaced him, someone from outside of his family, then another like him, then another, but it came to the point where an evil king will inherit their kingdom.... kill all those who are against him... and some other point another rebel will crash the kingdom and regain the kingdom... the cycle of life... I mean... what's the purpose of all of these??? Why fight for something that could be taken away from you? Is there a thing that cannot be taken away from you? I believe that I call this powerful force who are making me not to know all of these things... Creator.

[hemybel]

"I agree, why does there have to be a reason?"

Why not? The reason why the 8 ball in billiards hits the 2 ball because it was first hit by the Q ball. And so as all, even the very reason why we are here... There's no good reason to say that we're all born free... we're not born free... we're not free from death, from sin, from everything... now... This powerful force... that surrounds you... making you not free about all of those... You like Him/it or not? Maybe you do... because you keep on living...

[Sentinel]

Wheow.. Please send me some of that stuff you're smoking! :lol:

Just kidding.. No, seriously, you really are into philosophy. I'll try to adress your points:


Ok let's say that you became the best Communist leader in the world, you dominated the world and everyone loves you and you made the world the way you imagined it....

I certainly have no aspirations to "dominate the world". That's kind of ..imperialist. :o


and after that million years.. an asteroid hits the planet... and after a million years the place we called the Solar system is gone....

We most certainly don't exist after a million years. But if we would, we would have means to destroy such an asteroid before it even gets near earth. We are almost
capable of that already.


Are you a slave then? Of evolution? Of your feelings? Of the world around you? Why rebel if there's no way you can remove these chains...

No, the human race is going to take control of it's destiny. To do that we must reject
superstition in absolutum.


Why killing an innocent man wrong then? If you killed him and after 6 billion years it meant nothing, if there's no ultimate judgement upon you..then why not? You'll say, "We're not there yet"... now why be here if all of this is meaningless and has no purpose? . Is there really such thing as equality or was it just an illusion?

In a future, communist society we will see to that anyone who walks around killing innocents gets his judgement directly, on the spot.


..because everywhere I look I see a bigger fish eating the smaller fish...

That's called individualism. Something we communists reject.


I see corruption everywhere, I see Rebels too, their superior are not treating their subordinates the way they are supposed to be treated... but they are nicer before they became the Leader of the nation... A brave Knight fought for their Kingdom, He became a king... he is wise, moral, and established a perfect system of government, he is nice to the people especially the oppressed... he freed the slaves... then he died... A King like him replaced him, someone from outside of his family, then another like him, then another, but it came to the point where an evil king will inherit their kingdom.... kill all those who are against him... and some other point another rebel will crash the kingdom and regain the kingdom... the cycle of life...

What society are you talking of? The empire of Charlemagne? :D

That kind of shit happened in the age of feudalism, and would definitely be out of question in communism.


I believe that I call this powerful force who are making me not to know all of these things... Creator.

I would suggest you call it "being unaware of historical materialism". ;)

[hemybel]

I see... you refuse to read it right. You wanted to be heard, but you refuse to hear. Is communisim and dictatorship equal?

[ComTom]

Listen you fool, if there is a God, who created this so called "God". He just was " always there", I am sorry my judeao- christian freind, but this highly unlikely. I think that there must be a reason behind everything and we just have to let science figure it out. Religon hasn't been able to figure out anything about how we were created except stories of two naked people eating fruit and playing with snakes and a Arc of titanic poportions that carried all these animals on board.

These stories of creation from the bible were nice stories when I went to private school and sat around the priest as he molested me while reading stories in the Genesis. But now, I understand that we must be patient and listen to the real smart people of this earth, and not a preist who hasn't read one science book in his life.

[Sentinel]

I don't understand what you mean? How should I have read it? Forgive me for my
sarcastic tone in my reply to it, but how did I not adress your points?

Is communism a dictatorship? Communism is a dictatorship of logic over the illogic.

We don't believe in anything, we only accept scientific, proven facts as reality. That's
materialism, something very fundamental in communism.

[patrick]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Jan 24 2006, 12:35 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Jan 24 2006, 12:35 PM)
hemybel
Why?

Why not? :lol:

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Because people like yourselves think you've got the answers.. avoiding the real questions. mwahahahahaha

[Iroquois Xavier]

Squirells...and Sheep. Come here lambsy! :wacko:

[Seong]

Nah-ah. According to Douglas Adams it's because of mice not squirrels or lambs.
Probably best if you stop wasting your time asking it since it's unlikely that you'll find an answer more satisfying than 'mice.' :P

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 12:29 PM
Because people like yourselves think you've got the answers.. avoiding the real questions. mwahahahahaha
Haha, probably not the best way to go about business on RevLeft, pissing off RedStar.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by patrick+--> (patrick)Because people like yourselves think you've got the answers.. avoiding the real questions.[/b]

Your "questions" are not real at all...even though they conform to the grammatical rules for asking a question in the English language.

It's quite possible to do that, you know. If I ask you "why is that mountain so thoughtful?"...that sounds like a question but is actually meaningless. Mountains are not sentient and cannot "be thoughtful".

The question "why are we here?" sounds like a question but is actually meaningless.

There's no evidence that any kind of meaningful answer to that "question" is possible...outside of the laws of physics, chemistry, and random contingency.

"What is my purpose of existence?" In evolutionary terms, it's to survive long enough to have viable offspring. Otherwise the question has no real-world meaning.

"Is there a God?"

Of course not. Don't be silly!

"Should I go out to the High-Way and show my butt to everyone coz after 100 years they will all forget about it????"

Who gives a shit?


hemybel
If you die today and die forever because you don't believe in Soul... then... why work, why live, why fall in love, why eat your favorite breakfast, why read the newspapers? Think about it..... as long as you are doing all the things you've been doing.... deep inside of you...deeper... you still believe in the Creator.

Someone capable of this outburst of mindless babble should not be allowed to leave his hospital room without a keeper.

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[patrick]

Red star you see that question as meaningless because you obviously are an atheist and show a shallow and narrow minded view to human existence.
It's all that materialistic style thinking where you believe everything is made up of matter and has reason behind it.. like thoughts in our brain is a juice coming out of our brain. Silly nonsense and if you cannot see there is some reason us humans are here than I dont know what to say.
Life is not neutral it is not meaningless. There are no 'answers' to why we are here, it is not as simple as 2+2 = 4. What is it that leaves our bodies once we die? Its nothing physical that you can feel or touch or see. Something obviously leaves us and it is more than a brain, or a body. Im sure youve asked these questions yourself and in no sense am I to judge but just take the time to really think about it.

[MysticArcher]

There are no 'answers' to why we are here

but just take the time to really think about it.

If you're correct and there are no answers, why should I think about it?

I think it's more likely that Redstar is right, it isn't a real question and so by definition can't be answered


What is it that leaves our bodies once we die? Its nothing physical that you can feel or touch or see. Something obviously leaves us and it is more than a brain, or a body.

If it's completely unobservable how do you know about it? how do you know it's present or absent in a person?

[patrick]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:48 AM

There are no 'answers' to why we are here

but just take the time to really think about it.

If you're correct and there are no answers, why should I think about it?

I think it's more likely that Redstar is right, it isn't a real question and so by definition can't be answered


What is it that leaves our bodies once we die? Its nothing physical that you can feel or touch or see. Something obviously leaves us and it is more than a brain, or a body.

If it's completely unobservable how do you know about it? how do you know it's present or absent in a person?
The complete absence of life within them.
Your telling me you have either never seen a dead human being or believe they are exactly the same as before their death. Ridiculous

There are no 'answers' in the way in which you describe 'answers'.

[loveme4whoiam]

There are no 'answers' in the way in which you describe 'answers'.

Then why ask that question in the first place if you think it cannot be answered? You must have a freakishly twisty mind to grapple with this stuff and come out with something like that.

I'm atheist because I find the idea of something greater than ourselves, guiding our actions, offensive frankly. I believe in what I know to be true, and what I can prove to be true. All this stuff about "answers aren't really answers" has, as redstar says, no meaning.

[Tormented by Treachery]

I think Patrick's godsucking ass has been *****slapped enough. :lol:

[MysticArcher]

Your telling me you have either never seen a dead human being or believe they are exactly the same as before their death. Ridiculous


No, they're very much not the same - when dead nerve cells stop sending signals, and all the cells in the body stop functioning

what part of that is "unmeasurable" or "unknowable"?


There are no 'answers' in the way in which you describe 'answers'.

Then what are they?

[Seong]

Not quite. Respect other people's beliefs for fuck sake even if they don't conform to your undoubtedly supreme world view.

Will it be considered flamatory if I tell this guy to fuck off? :angry:

[hemybel]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 25 2006, 02:20 AM
I don't understand what you mean? How should I have read it? Forgive me for my
sarcastic tone in my reply to it, but how did I not adress your points?

Is communism a dictatorship? Communism is a dictatorship of logic over the illogic.

We don't believe in anything, we only accept scientific, proven facts as reality. That's
materialism, something very fundamental in communism.
What's the achievement on that? Forcing others to believe what you want... you didn't get anything... it's like rape.


The title of this thread is Why why? It means why ask why?
Why is a question looking for a purpose, source....

Logic is always looking for reason... reason is always looking for a purpose of things... purpose is always looking for the history of things... History is always looking for a certain source...

Now what's the source of all these things... why all of this is happening? The very source of all things.... because whether we like it or not... i'm sure there is a prime source in all of this.... because everything is logical....

[Sentinel]

What's the achievement on that? Forcing others to believe what you want... you didn't get anything... it's like rape.

Ok... I'll try to explain. We are not advocating any belief. Not any! We are advocating
rational thought, and are against beliefs. Please think about this sentence, let it "sink in" so to say.

So if forcing others to believe is rape, we are condemning rape. Unlike the religious, we are not trying to put a new belief in place of the old ones we want gone, we want to end the age of faith and beliefs.

We believe that a man cannot be free if his mind isn't free of irrational beliefs.
Believing in anything that cannot be proven is irrational and dangerous.


The title of this thread is Why why? It means why ask why?

Yes exactly. And my answer is: We should not. I think there is no reason to sit and speculate on why things are the way they are, we have more urgent things to worry about. Since nothing else is proven as a fact, we must assume that we only have this one life.

We should be happy that we do exist, and angry because there are things that make our existence more miserable and less enjoyable.

We should strive for perfection for our own happiness sake. And being communists for us that means building an optimal society for the entire species.

The better, more efficient and rational decisions we make, the sooner this is going to happen. Religion, both by being A. illogical and against rationality, B. soothing and calming, and thus making people want to accept the current society and reject progress, is [/B] slowing [B] that process and prolonging the enslavement and suffering of humans.

Do you now understand why we are against religion? And do you understand what I
think about asking "why"? :)

[hemybel]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 31 2006, 12:38 AM

What's the achievement on that? Forcing others to believe what you want... you didn't get anything... it's like rape.

Ok... I'll try to explain. We are not advocating any belief. Not any! We are advocating
rational thought, and are against beliefs. Please think about this sentence, let it "sink in" so to say.

So if forcing others to believe is rape, we are condemning rape. Unlike the religious, we are not trying to put a new belief in place of the old ones we want gone, we want to end the age of faith and beliefs.

We believe that a man cannot be free if his mind isn't free of irrational beliefs.
Believing in anything that cannot be proven is irrational and dangerous.


The title of this thread is Why why? It means why ask why?

Yes exactly. And my answer is: We should not. I think there is no reason to sit and speculate on why things are the way they are, we have more urgent things to worry about. Since nothing else is proven as a fact, we must assume that we only have this one life.

We should be happy that we do exist, and angry because there are things that make our existence more miserable and less enjoyable.

We should strive for perfection for our own happiness sake. And being communists for us that means building an optimal society for the entire species.

The better, more efficient and rational decisions we make, the sooner this is going to happen. Religion, both by being A. illogical and against rationality, B. soothing and calming, and thus making people want to accept the current society and reject progress, is slowing that process and prolonging the enslavement and suffering of humans.

Do you now understand why we are against religion? And do you understand what I
think about asking "why"? :)
I know you are condemning rape.. I know that... but dictatorship of illogical to the logical you said ... that's like rape... forcing others to believe what you believe is still forcing... if he believed in that... the person you are forcing... then where's the achievement on that?



And my answer is: We should not. you said... now... that's exactly what illogical means... you are not seeking for answer... what an intelligent being doing in this world if he's not born to study the world around him... to be logical..

[Sentinel]

that's exactly what illogical means... you are not seeking for answer... what an intelligent being doing in this world if he's not born to study the world around him... to be logical..

"Seeking for an answer" to the question "Why?" is not by any means the same thing as
studying the world around you or being logical.

It is meaningless petty-bourgeois pondering.

Studying the world with logical, that is scientific, means is something completely different.

Something we communists consider the highest form of thinking, and different religions
have opposed fiercely since the dawn of time.

[patrick]

Originally posted by Tormented by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:41 PM
I think Patrick's godsucking ass has been *****slapped enough. :lol:
Well Ive had my fun :P You are all the same anyway. Although I do like these forums.
You see answers as something that provides a truth, or reason. The answer to 'why' is unable to be explained in the true sense of the meaning to the word 'answer', it is judged on either your own 'reason' or your personal religious/spiritual/cultural beliefs. Therefore there is some sort of answer, but it is not necessarily 'truth'.
I was only trying to spread my idea and that there is other explanations.
Your like sheep.. :lol:

[Iroquois Xavier]

What would Jesus do? (if he existed)

[leftist resistance]

haha..i see the ducks talking to the chickens. :rolleyes:

yes,you guys should respect other people's beliefs

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 12:26 PM
Your like sheep.. :lol:
Yeah, I'm completely being had, even though I would be willing to bet I'm the only communist in 100 miles.

Because there is so much pro-communist propaganda in the United States :lol:

You amuse me. My like sheep? I can't understand your incoherent posts. Oh, oh, "you're," got it. As he criticizes my ability to think indpendently (and thus my intelligence), he has grammatical errors.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 08:12 AM
Because life is meaningless for there is no creator?
There is no creator, and the only reason you exist is to procreate. Simple as.

[Gonzo Journalism]

I don't believe in a creator. Nor do I know how the universe was created. The problem is this: I can't see how the universe could come from nothing yet I can't see how the universe has always existed. However it must be one of those two. Hell, even if a creator did exist then I still wouldn't understand, since he must have either come from nothing or always existed.

What I can say is that I am certain that there is no meaning of life. We exist simply because we exist. There is no meaning to it all.

[kurt]

I can't see how the universe could come from nothing yet I can't see how the universe has always existed
Count to infinity and tell me when you're done.