Conservative Government Formed

[FidelCastro]

The Conservatives have won, soon, Canadians will greet each other with "Sieg Heil"

[TovaryshIvan]

Dude what the hell are you talking about? Stephen Harper isn't going to transform my country into any police state at all....wtf are you all talking about?

[FidelCastro]

It starts with the anti-gay laws (his party members go to anti-gay rights meetings). Next he needs to protect the Christian values plus he'll run the county's debt into the ground with his all spend no earn ideas. He is not giving any money to University Students. He also thinks the bush administration is the model government of the world

[AnTi-Right Nation]

All i can say is , FUCK :angry:

[which doctor]

This sucks, for canadians. It rocks for Bush and his posse though.

I am just curious. If we keep electing conservatives into office, won't this speed up historical materialism? If we speed it up wouldn't we achieve communism quicker? Perhaps conservatives are our friends?

I know it sounds crazy.

[Eoin Dubh]

So we have exchanged coke for pepsi.
It still tastes crappy, rots our teeth, and is bad for us.

In the 139 year history of Canada, only the Conservatives and Liberals have ever been in federal power. Interestingly, the Communist Party of Canada is the third oldest Canadian political party

[Purple]

Yeah, pretty crazy!

Sad day for Canada! Still I believe that the Liberals werent really giving their best shot, as they are still running with the slandered Paul Martin, so I believe that they are focusing on the next election year, to show off with their newer, stronger, and younger, candidate(cant remember his name)!

My main concerns now is the Iraq war, how Steven Harper will support it and do his best to send more Canadian troops there, anti gay-laws(Christian values as said above), the public health system, and even though the liberals were a bunch of suited thieves, they maintained the economy pretty stable!

[AnTi-Right Nation]

The funny thing is, the liberals are still strong. The popular vote is suppose to be neck and neck with the consvertives :blink: And Harpers minorty is suppose to be really weak. Anyone think there will be another Election in 18 months???

[red_orchestra]

YEP! We will certianly see another election in Canada after several months. Harper will blow it... and the rest of the opposition parties will destroy the right.

We are in for some interesting few months ahead. WHo knows what might happen!

[BuyOurEverything]

I don't know, I doubt there will be public support for an election any time soon. I suppose you never know though.

[Commie Girl]

I am just thankful that he only has a minority so maybe he wont be able to do too much damage before his true colours show.

Their daycare plan is ridiculous, I kinda like Kyoto and they will take us out of it (even though Martin sucked too at the environment).

Bush and his looneys will be really happy :angry:

These people in the CPC are truly frightening. :(

[AnTi-Right Nation]

some info from yahoo news:


Harper has said he would reconsider a U.S. missile defense scheme rejected by the current Liberal government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. He also said he wanted to move beyond the Kyoto debate by establishing different environmental controls, spend more on the Canadian military, expand its peacekeeping missions in Afghanistan and Haiti .[QUOTE]


[QUOTE]
tighten security along the border with the United States in an effort to prevent terrorists and guns from crossing the frontier

More like, try and stop the BC bud trade, :angry:



William Azaroff, 35, voted for the left-of-center New Democratic Party but conceded a Conservative government was likely to win.

"I think it's a shame," said the business manager from Vancouver, British Columbia. "I think the last government was actually quite effective for Canadians. I think a Conservative government is just a backlash against certain corruption and the sense of entitlement."


Tellin it like it is :che:

[SmithSmith]

It is such a powerless minority they cannot do shit.

[SmithSmith]

The NDP has made some impressive gain.

[SmithSmith]

Stephen Harper's speech sounded so much liberal, what is up with this? If he was himself Canadians would not like him so good tactic.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 24 2006, 03:51 AM
This sucks, for canadians. It rocks for Bush and his posse though.

I am just curious. If we keep electing conservatives into office, won't this speed up historical materialism? If we speed it up wouldn't we achieve communism quicker? Perhaps conservatives are our friends?

I know it sounds crazy.
In some ways arguably, but the sidea ffect is that it decreases class consciousness. Reformist governments to the left increase this, because as workers gain mroe and see what could be gain they start to see how it could be gained; through a mass working class movement.

[Iroquois Xavier]

SHIT.

[FidelCastro]

Minorities never last, if Conservatives mess it up through the economy then they'll never be put in office for a long time (Brian Mulroney who was a conservative put Canada into debt). If they screw up social policies, i'll kill someone!

[Redeye]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 03:31 AM
Dude what the hell are you talking about? Stephen Harper isn't going to transform my country into any police state at all....wtf are you all talking about?
None of the people tricked into voting Howard and his Liberal/National coalition bastards into a fourth term here thought that either, but the "anti-terror" laws were forced through. Still if he only has a minority you might be lucky. Here they have control of the house of reps and the senate. And of course the Labor party sided with them on the "anti- terror laws.

[Wiesty]

While it does suck, i dont worry to much, they're a minority goverment, so unless the ndp, liberals, bloc, green, and the one independtant, all vote on the same issue as them, shit isnt going to happen. The conservatives cant do shit, unless the other parties agree.

[Eastside Revolt]

I think it will actually be quite refreshing to really see what "canadian values" are all about.

Maybe now the Canadian left will get off of our nationalist bullshit, and Canadian flags will be burned more frequently.

The best of all of this that could happen, would be if Belinda Stronach became the new liberal leader. It would really open peoples eyes to the fact that the liberals and conservatives are the same damn thing! :angry:

Aswell this rightward shift in canadian electoral politics may end the leftward rhetoric in the NDP, and with that, the illusion that it is possible for progressive change within the rhelms of capitalism. :D

So yeah.... it's safe to say that I am hopefull.

[Orthodox Marxist]

I am happy to see a change

[cormacobear]

"I&#39;m Happy to see a change." and "I&#39;m hopefull". You&#39;re class traitors. <_<

The greens took 4% of the popular vote and didn&#39;t win a single seat, preventing NDP candidates from winning in nearly a dozen ridings. which would have given the left the ability to control the balance of power or even have formed a coalition governmet with the liberals in this parliment.

But for those of you so called leftists who are happy. Please go tell that to the families in the countries lowest tax bracket how thrilled you are that Stephen harper is raising their taxes while cutting billions from corperate taxes. He&#39;s putting a hault on nationalized daycare and instead giving perants 100 dollars a week tax deduction to buy childcare. that will buy 2 days of child care in most places in Canada rather than the 20 provided byn the liberal plan.

The average standard of living for millions of Canadians from the poorest end of society just got worse, go tell them how happy you are. :(

[Zero]

OMFG&#33; THE USA IS A DISEASE&#33;&#33;&#33;

Ahhh&#33; I wanted to move to Canada too&#33; :(

They better get their asses back in gear. I still wanna live there.

[RedKryptonite]

Change can happen at anytime in a minority government. Harper need not get too comfortable.....but...The liberals need to pick a strong leader if they want to reclaim their title.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jan 24 2006, 03:49 AM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jan 24 2006, 03:49 AM)
Fist of [email protected] 24 2006, 03:51 AM
This sucks, for canadians. It rocks for Bush and his posse though.

I am just curious. If we keep electing conservatives into office, won&#39;t this speed up historical materialism? If we speed it up wouldn&#39;t we achieve communism quicker? Perhaps conservatives are our friends?

I know it sounds crazy.
In some ways arguably, but the sidea ffect is that it decreases class consciousness. Reformist governments to the left increase this, because as workers gain mroe and see what could be gain they start to see how it could be gained; through a mass working class movement. [/b]
True, but perhaps the the democrats would keep the workers content for longer than the right could. If we could get the workers to get angry, the revolution could happen.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh get them angry, but they&#39;d then probably see the solution as a democrat government. I also think it seems insane to propose making the working class suffer further more.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 08:39 PM
"I&#39;m Happy to see a change." and "I&#39;m hopefull". You&#39;re class traitors. <_<

The greens took 4% of the popular vote and didn&#39;t win a single seat, preventing NDP candidates from winning in nearly a dozen ridings. which would have given the left the ability to control the balance of power or even have formed a coalition governmet with the liberals in this parliment.


Well, there are class traitors and then there are class collaborators.

The Greens did not prevent anything.
The "first past the post" system did.

After this election, more than ever, we need proportional representation.

[Felicia]

I know, aweful. and YES, HARPER IS GOING TO TURN CANADA INTO A POLICE STATE&#33;

I went to the polls monday to cast my vote, my boyfriend and I both agreed to vote liberal, against our beliefs (my hatred of neo-cons is stronger than my willingness to vote ndp, although that&#39;s probably who I would have voted for). I cast my ballot for the liberals, my boyfriend later told me that he voted for the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada, I had to laugh, but I&#39;m glad he didn&#39;t cave like I did, lol.

the day after the election (so, that would be tuesday afternoon) the military called my boyfriend and wanted him to go downtown to the base and register for reserves (he has shown interest, but this was months ago) he told them that we&#39;re going out of town this week and to call him back..... then they called back tuesday night and left a message saying they want him to call the corporal "as soon as possible". People, it&#39;s already started, and not a full 24 hours later.......

I&#39;m going to kill myself, hopefull this little trip with harper will make the canadian public want to try the NDP next, and hopefully we live to see it. I fear that canada is going to change drastically, and not for the better, Harper may have a minority government now, but the Bloc have 50 +/- seats to vote in sync with the tories, I&#39;m biting my nails. <_<

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 01:05 AM
Yeah, pretty crazy&#33;

Sad day for Canada&#33; Still I believe that the Liberals werent really giving their best shot, as they are still running with the slandered Paul Martin, so I believe that they are focusing on the next election year, to show off with their newer, stronger, and younger, candidate(cant remember his name)&#33;

My main concerns now is the Iraq war, how Steven Harper will support it and do his best to send more Canadian troops there, anti gay-laws(Christian values as said above), the public health system, and even though the liberals were a bunch of suited thieves, they maintained the economy pretty stable&#33;
actually, I believe Paul Martin has resigned. I&#39;m more concerned with what may happen with the US and Iran in the coming months when Iran switches over to selling their oil in Euros, the US is going to have to pay top dollar, and we all know with this is most likely going to lead, another fucking oil war.

[Orthodox Marxist]

Well, there are class traitors and then there are class collaborators.


You didnt live through liberal corruption

[h&s]

True, but perhaps the the democrats would keep the workers content for longer than the right could. If we could get the workers to get angry, the revolution could happen.
So why would &#39;the workers&#39; respond to you during a revolutionary situation trying to advise them what to do if you have done nothing for them?
And how are they going to respond to you if you are not one of them (as you are calling them &#39;the workers&#39; as if you are not one yourself.... <_< )?

We, as workers ourselves, should all be trying our best to improve our conditions and struggle, and this is the only way that revolution can actually happen and be successful.
Remember &#39;the workers&#39; will only want a revolution if they see that it is what they need, and if they see revolutionarys supporting parties that attack them, they ain&#39;t gonna be interested in revolution.

[Solace]

Hmmm, I know some people who need to acquire knowledge on Canadian Politics.

The fact that they are a minority doesn’t undermine their position in any aspect. It just means that in they try tomake stupid policies no one likes, the government can be “overthrown” and new elections will ensues.

However, it is more likely not the be the case because

(a) the Cons understood that a vote for them was more of a vote against the Liberal
(b) that they have made some promises to Quebec they need to respect otherwise the Bloc will kick them out
&copy; that they got less than 40% of the total vote

Also, other parties are not likely to actually push the Cons because they haven’t scored all that well in this elections and frankly we don’t want another election mighty soon. I think the Cons will be there for like a year and a half to two years.

Remember that a lot, and I do mean a lot of Liberal policies in the past few years were painfully conservatives. There is more to the Cons they just anti-gay pro-life shits.


The greens took 4% of the popular vote and didn&#39;t win a single seat, preventing NDP candidates from winning in nearly a dozen ridings. which would have given the left the ability to control the balance of power or even have formed a coalition governmet with the liberals in this parliment.


The Green Party didn’t get a single seat because this is not a proportional system. Plus, there really wasn’t a lot of ridings where NPD was fighting with the Green Party. The NDP had the balance of power last election and it aint like they did glorious stuff with it. Couple of bucks to “working families”.

Besides, they won 10 more seats than the last election, which is relatively good.

[cormacobear]

I&#39;ve voted for the M-L party before. :) I like them but voting for them won&#39;t help people feed their children. And last election I spend 4 hours a day min. campaigning for the NDP, and yet was convinced I would vote liberal for a week, untill I was standing in line. I pointed out to myself my one vote won&#39;t help a liberal take a seat in the heart of Alberta and voted my concience at the last minute. Yes the problem is the lack of proportional representation but the party that supports that has 18% of the national vote which gives them 29 seats, while the Bloq has 11% of the vote got 51 seats. But how can we hope for proportional representation if leftists vote for libertarians who couldn&#39;t get a seat running only against Hitler, and have spent the last four years driving out leftists.

At least 12 riding were lost by the NDP by fewer than a thousand votes and willing to wager that in most if not all of theses the green vote would have won the NDP the seat. That many more seats would have given the NDP a secure balance of power which they missed last election by two seats. Despite being short a seat they got 10 billion in corperate tax cuts stopped and devoted to worker retraining, Unemployment benifits, post secondary education, and the envionment. 10 billion isn&#39;t "a few dollars" of the Canadian budget.

But anyway it&#39;s done now, we need to start preparing for the next election which I figure will fall in 1 year and 2 months with the second Cons. budget which I will will mean the defeat of the Cons.

[redchrisfalling]

I watched the polls come in live and started drinking shortly there after, I am still shit faced so my thoughts are to scattered to tie togther. Any way here are my reactions.

Och when asked if i saw the results i snapped, punched a wall in a rare out display of violence and broke three fingers.

FUCK&#33;

For some on apposed to gay rights i have a felling Steven Harper will be bending over in the white house alot.

The worst part about this is going to be the next election, with a minority goverment the conservatives can pass three very popular peices of legislation, 1. they will scrap the billion dollar long gun registry. 2. they will lower the GST, no one can vote against that with out killing all public popularity. and 3. A 500&#036; tax kick back for all families who enroll their kids in little leuge sports, this will pass because it realy isn&#39;t that much money. These are petty little things but the media will play it up, and they can pretend they are keeping their campaign promises. All this may well add up to a conservative Majority.

"as the polls close like a casket..."

The issue that realy bugs me is Harper wants to limit the number of imagirnts from south east asia comeing to Vancouver.

And lastly but i cant stress it enough, SHIT&#33;&#33;&#33;

[which doctor]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 25 2006, 11:44 AM

True, but perhaps the the democrats would keep the workers content for longer than the right could. If we could get the workers to get angry, the revolution could happen.
So why would &#39;the workers&#39; respond to you during a revolutionary situation trying to advise them what to do if you have done nothing for them?
And how are they going to respond to you if you are not one of them (as you are calling them &#39;the workers&#39; as if you are not one yourself.... <_< )?

We, as workers ourselves, should all be trying our best to improve our conditions and struggle, and this is the only way that revolution can actually happen and be successful.
Remember &#39;the workers&#39; will only want a revolution if they see that it is what they need, and if they see revolutionarys supporting parties that attack them, they ain&#39;t gonna be interested in revolution.
Who said I would be leading any revolution? The revolution must be the will of the people, and not just one person or group. The workers will suffer regardless. The only thing I am suggesting is that we speed this up, the severity of the pain may be greater, but the length will be shorter.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by Red Marxist [email protected] 25 2006, 04:15 PM

Well, there are class traitors and then there are class collaborators.


You didnt live through liberal corruption
Uh...............WTF? :huh:

That&#39;s funny, I thought I was alive. :unsure: I am not a bear so I wasn&#39;t hibernating..........hmmm strange, I seem to have a pulse. :blink:

[h&s]

The only thing I am suggesting is that we speed this up, the severity of the pain may be greater, but the length will be shorter.
What makes you say that? The more capitalism attacks workers, yes the more will want to do something about it, but things are far more complex than that.
If capitalism is allowed to attack, and destroy, the massive benefits we have fought for a nd one over the past 100 years - like (in the UK) union rights, the welfare state, the NHS, etc then they will become very demoralised. This can take the movement back years.

[cormacobear]

I feel that working hard to maintain the workers right to organize is a nescessary goal in keeping class conciousness alive. The far left has grown stagnant and weak in America since workers rights were rolled back.

The shape of the next election depends largely on who the liberals elect as Martins successer. Micheal Ignettief is a favourite but hes really pro USA, so then people will likely vote for the cons, because theirs no difference. John Manley will likely throw his hat in the ring I think he&#39;s the best choice of the top four or five favourites.

[Eoin Dubh]

John Manley has stated that he&#39;s not interested. It will probably be Frank Mckenna.

But who cares? The Liberals and Conservatives are really not that much different.

[Orthodox Marxist]

Uh...............WTF?

That&#39;s funny, I thought I was alive. I am not a bear so I wasn&#39;t hibernating..........hmmm strange, I seem to have a pulse.

So your Canadian then?

[ColinH]

After watching this election I&#39;ve definitely come under the impression that the Canadian population leans to the left, simply because all of the capitalist parties try to cater to them.

The social-democratic NDP got barely any media coverage, but made no real changes to their policies.

The Conservatives had to campaign hard to make it seem like they&#39;ve gone slightly to the left and are more "moderate" now."

The Liberals campaigned like they were a clone of the NDP.

And when the Bloc saw the Conservatives making gains in Quebec, they immediately started campaigning about defending the child care program and other policies that exposed their social-democratic roots.

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by Red Marxist [email protected] 27 2006, 05:12 PM

So your Canadian then?
Yes, and like yourself, I have put up with 12 years of the Liberal party.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 08:39 PM
"I&#39;m Happy to see a change." and "I&#39;m hopefull". You&#39;re class traitors. <_<

The greens took 4% of the popular vote and didn&#39;t win a single seat, preventing NDP candidates from winning in nearly a dozen ridings. which would have given the left the ability to control the balance of power or even have formed a coalition governmet with the liberals in this parliment.

But for those of you so called leftists who are happy. Please go tell that to the families in the countries lowest tax bracket how thrilled you are that Stephen harper is raising their taxes while cutting billions from corperate taxes. He&#39;s putting a hault on nationalized daycare and instead giving perants 100 dollars a week tax deduction to buy childcare. that will buy 2 days of child care in most places in Canada rather than the 20 provided byn the liberal plan.

The average standard of living for millions of Canadians from the poorest end of society just got worse, go tell them how happy you are. :(
Fuck off&#33;

I&#39;m no class traitor. Unlike you I see the NDP for what they are: labour aritocrats turned capitalists. I am somewhat hopeful though, that as they become more right wing people like you will drop the reformist bullshit and become revolutionary. :angry:

[cormacobear]

Apperantly working to get votes in the houses of government that will try and defend workers rights and our quality of life, for a few weeks every few years is too great a commitment to peoples lives for RedCanada. That leaves hundreds of days for fomenting revolutionary awareness.

and for those who&#39;d like a window into the mind of our despicable leader.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4629.html

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 05:36 AM
YEP&#33; We will certianly see another election in Canada after several months. Harper will blow it... and the rest of the opposition parties will destroy the right.

We are in for some interesting few months ahead. WHo knows what might happen&#33;
That&#39;s actually what alot of glum Conservative Bloggers are saying.
Harper&#39;ll be knocked out of office pretty soon, even they think, due to the minority&#39;s weakness.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 12:19 AM
Apperantly working to get votes in the houses of government that will try and defend workers rights and our quality of life, for a few weeks every few years is too great a commitment to peoples lives for RedCanada. That leaves hundreds of days for fomenting revolutionary awareness.

and for those who&#39;d like a window into the mind of our despicable leader.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4629.html
Oh give me a fucking break. I have alot(unfortunatly) of understanding of the NDP based on my parents jobs. They make the cuts come slower, and when they get a little bit of parliamentary stability, we some have ourselves a bunch of fucking liberals&#33;

Spending my much needed sleep, and rest time in my slavish working class life spewing out thier rhetoric, that based on their history federally, and especially provincially borders on propoganda; is definitely too much "comitment" for me&#33; :lol: Sorry.

I don&#39;t know about how it is where you live, but where I live a revolution (violent power transition or otherwise)may possibly never happen, but it&#39;s still more plausible than freedom from the whims of the free market by voting.

Edit: And to add to that, the more that potential revolutionaries such as you, refuse to drop the representative democratic pipe dream, the longer a revolution will take, and the less likely it will occur.