Legalization?!?!?

[The Communist Threat]

Hello fellow comrades, i am new and i have a question i hope you all take part in.

How do you feel about legalizing the "weaker drugs"...such as: marijuana, opium, hashish (basically stronger marijuana). hallucinogenic mushrooms (they are natural)....

I believe the substances that i've listed should be legal. Look at all the problems the U$'s war on drugs has caused....if drugs are legal, they will be safer...and fewer people will do them...

any thoughts???

[chamo]

I personally think that marijuana and magic mushrooms should be legalised. I think its actually legal to buy mushroom seeds in the UK, or did I just dream it.
Legalising said drugs would keep people from harder durgs, and marijuana is not as much a health risk as cigarettes. Also cigarette companies prey on the weak and keep you addicted so you will spend more money, the worst kind of capitalism in action there.
I don't know if fewer people would do them, but it would keep most off herion and shit like that.

[canikickit]

All drugs should be legal.


marijuana, opium, hashish (basically stronger marijuana)

Hash is not neccessarily stronger cannabis. Opium never is.

(Edited by canikickit at 12:57 am on Mar. 8, 2003)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Only weaker drugs should be legalized. Don't wanna live in a society full of adicts.

[Hampton]

Legalize it

[Eastside Revolt]

Personally I consider opium to be a strong drug but whatever...

I support the legalization of every drug.

[canikickit]

Sorry, opium is stronger than cannabis, but is not a stronger form of cannabis. They're not really comparable, or more so, I don't think they are on the same playing field.


Don't wanna live in a society full of adicts.

I don't think the fact that drugs like heroin are illegal is what is stopping most people from doing them. Prosecuting people for possession or use of substances is a waste of money.

[redstar2000]

All recreational chemicals of any description should be fully legal and readily and inexpensively available to those who want them...perhaps each package including a small leaflet outlining any scientifically demonstrated harm/benefit from the use of same.

That's not to suggest that we couldn't tell people that life is really better if you're not fucked up all the time...but persuasion is the only legitimate method in this area of human activity.

To persecute people because we don't personally like their "drug(s) of choice" is barbaric.

:cool:

[Note: I have the impression that threads that would once have appeared in Chit-Chat are starting to re-appear in other forums.]

(Edited by redstar2000 at 10:20 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)

[canikickit]

Are you referring to this thread, Redstar?

I don't understand why people don't consider this issue to be valid in this forum. It is a political issue, and in chit chat people tend not to take things as seriously.

Nevertheless, you are correct, other threads and other posts are croping up around the place. Like in the CC. Maybe things concerning google. Hypothetically, of course. :wink:

[deadpool 52]

I still got my sage.

[MiNdGaMe]

Drug Addicition is often a result of depression, poverty etc... Remove the conditions for drug addicition and you won't have addicts.

[Rebelde para Siempre]

Legalise it all. redstar 2000 hit the nail right on the head.

[revolucionariocubano]

for what we spend on the "war" on drugs we can gaurantee education at every level, healthcare for all, empty our prisons and still have enough money left over for research on cures for diseases and alternative energy sources.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Don't wanna live in a society full of adicts.

I don't think the fact that drugs like heroin are illegal is what is stopping most people from doing them. Prosecuting people for possession or use of substances is a waste of money.
[/quote]

Yes, but heroine and so are very addictive. A society can't run normally if it's full with addicts. Opium, canabis aren't addictive.

[The Communist Threat]

Yes, heroin is very addictive....but i don't think it should be illegal...people need to be educated about the drugs (not lied to about them like in the U$)...then people can make their own choice and if they need help, they can always get it.

[deadpool 52]

Opium is not that bad if you do not mind being impotent.

[hawarameen]

Realise it's time to legalise.

[Dhul Fiqar]

You all probably know I'm VERY pro-drug and pro-legalization, but still don't agree that "cannabis and opium are not addictive".

Of course they are addictive, they put you in a state of mind where nothing matters and you feel content to stare at your wall (opium especially). The idea of legalization is not to get everybody high, but to minimize the harm of addiction. In other words, if opium was cheap and readily available, people wouldn't be prostituting themselves and committing crimes to buy opiates like heroin and oxycontin.
Like has been said, it's not the illegality of heroin that keeps people from shooting up. Most people simply have no interest in using drugs in the way that an addict does.
There is very much a finite percentage of the population with potential to become serious drug addicts, all things being equal.

Like has been said, the cause of drug addiction is not the drugs themselves but things like social strain, unemployment, lack of hope and epidemic cases of depression. As has been seen in places like Thailand, it doesn't matter if there are no drugs available, kids just sniff glue when they can't score. And I'm talking about 10 year old street kids here :(

In any case, yes, I agree we should legalize everything. But there should be limited controls on certain substances, I don't think it would be helpful if PCP was sold in supermarkets for example :biggrin:

--- G.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Yes, but I meant that opium and canabis aren't pyshical addictive. It's your mind that eagers to it, not your body. See my point?

[Dhul Fiqar]

Opium is EXTREMELY physically addictive, but marijuana is psychologically addictive.

Seriously, I advise people not to fuck with any opiates, you can get very serious withdrawals when you stop such as convulsions. But it should be allowed for people not concerned with their health :biggrin:

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Oh, and btw, what's your stance on stuff like PCP, Ketamine, Dilauds, Fentanyl and such? The first two are POWERFUL dissociatives and the second two are some of the strongest opiates in the world, they kick heroin's ass all over the playing field!

I think they should be legal, in theory, but I worry what would happen if there was for instance an economic decline and people would start to use this stuff.

There's almost no going back from a dilaud/fentanyl addiction :(

--- G.

[redstar2000]

DF, I'm wondering that if the "mainstream" drugs of choice were cheap and easily obtainable, why would one go to the trouble of obtaining the rarer and likely more expensive drugs?

I know, there are a few folks who want to take "everything"...preferably in a fatal combination. I'm not sure there's anything that can be done for those poor bastards...except not put them in prison.

Perhaps the really dangerous stuff could be specially packaged (skull & crossbones on the label) and fairly expensive...and make them fill out a form and sign a waiver to get some. Make it possible to get some but make it a hassle--perhaps a 24-hour wait before you can pick it up. I think then, most people, even serious druggies, wouldn't bother.

:cool:

(Edited by redstar2000 at 10:49 am on Mar. 9, 2003)

[DeadBoss]

Legalizing weed would most definitely lower the level of Heroin addicts for example.. Holland is the perfect example but apparently there is a lot of money involved in the whole drug story let alone the control of the minds and life of the people who are addicted to see something good happening in the near future..

fuck hypocricy..

nothing is true - everything is permitted

[The Communist Threat]

Many of you talked about drugs being "expensive" or "cheap"...but those words only exist in a capitalist society....and in a capitalist society a lot of people will do the harder drugs since many people have a lot of problems in this type of society...

If we lie in a communist society i couldn't imagine too many people doing the extremely strong opiates. People won't be idiots like they are now, they will know what does what.

[Charlie]

Marijuana should be legalized. 80 percent of all drug arrests are for posession, not dealing, and that doesn't do shit. The drug war has failed and the only thing we can do to contain the risk of drugs to make the less harmful ones openly available to the general public. But i do think all sales of these formerly illegal drugs should be handled directly by the government, and sold only in governmental control boards.

[deadpool 52]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

How can you fuck with PCP and ketamine?

There is a great drug that is legal here in the states called salvia. I fear that, however, they are now trying to make it illegal.

[Dhul Fiqar]

I think Salvia D is illegal to sell for the purposes of psychoactive consumption, but you can still buy it if you pretend you're just using a punch to flavour your pasta ;)

It's pretty intense, I'll give you that. Especially if you have extract.

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Oh, btw the problem with Salvia is the short duration of the intense high.

And I agree there should be some kind of restrictions on the strongest opiates, making it at least highly inconvenient to choose them over other more benign drugs.

For good drug info check out:

www.bluelight.nu

A great messageboard, I post there a lot as "Morrison's Lament"

--- G.

[synthesis]

That website freaks me out, Dhul, I'm never going back there. Seriously.

Anyways, I've always wanted to try Salvia but never got around to it. I hope I do it before it's illegal. I hear it's totally different from any other drug out there.

[Anonymous]

I think the Lib Dems are running a 'Free the Weed' campaign for all those in England. Honestly.