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ComradeRed
21st January 2006, 21:57
[This user has since left the forum, but I'm going to keep this thread, as it contains lots of valuable stuff. PM me for queries - Bobkindles]

How I will work this thread is move chapter to chapter and "lecture" and the subject. I'll start chapter one and anyone can feel free to discuss it, then chapter two, and more discussion, then chapter three, and so forth.

I do not know how to handle such a task of translating equations into images, but rather than linking the image of the equations (I would have no idea how to translate LaTeX into .jpeg or .gif), I will post the code and expect those who want a more mathematically intensive course to copy/paste it and observe the formulae here (http://sciencesoft.at/index.jsp?link=latex&ochem=false#pic). The code is in the appendix.

Chapter One: On Value

First, in regards to definitions, there will be very few. One I feel that Sraffa defines well is the Ricardian definition of value (in regards to the industry sectors' output): There is a unique set of exchange-values which if adopted by the market restores the original distribution of the products and makes it possible for the process to be repeated; such values spring directly from the methods of production.

Now, Ricardo's theory of value was very interesting because there are many interpretations of it. However, I will entertain the one relevant to Marx.

There are essentially four "axioms" that Ricardo (and Smith) laid down for their theories:

Value is "socially necessary labor time";
Under capitalism, when markets are in equilibrium, commodities exchange in proportion to the amount of value they contain;
Under capitalism, the ability to perform work, labor-power, has itself become a commodity;
In production, labor transfers its value directly to the product, while the commodities used up in production transfer their value indirectly.

With respect to Ricardo, he has an alternate, hidden plan. A sort of "93%" labor theory of value. Consider this passage from chapter one:

Originally posted by Ricardo
Possessing utility, commodities derive their exchangeable value from two sources: from their scarcity, and from the quantity of labour required to obtain them. There are some commodities, the value of which is determined by their scarcity alone. No labour can increase the quantity of such goods, and therefore their value cannot be lowered by an increased supply. Some rare statues and pictures, scarce books and coins, wines of a peculiar quality, which can be made only from grapes grown on a particular soil, of which there is a very limited quantity, are all of this description. Their value is wholly independent of the quantity of labour originally necessary to produce them, and varies with the varying wealth and inclinations of those who are desirous to possess them. These commodities, however, form a very small part of the mass of commodities daily exchanged in the market. -- emphasis added

What Ricardo really seems to be trying to state is that supply and demand is what determines value, yet supply is determined by labor and demand is in turn determined by such a relation (of labor and supply). Thus everything relies on labor!

That is to say that everything relies on labor, which in turn regulates supply and demand (which determines everything in the economy). That is my opinion, yet it is what Ricardo seems to be implying.

One note that is worthy of mentioning is Ricardo's belief that utility is the foundation for value. This is a correct notion that he has, it makes intuitive sense (why would anyone buy something useless? This of course goes to the commodity fetishism, which we'll discuss when we get to Marx); Marx adopts such a position, yet it seems to be a common notion to the classical economists.

Curiously, Ricardo seems to ask for the labor theory of value in a unique way. He notes: If the quantity of labour realized in commodities, regulate their exchangeable value, every increase of the quantity of labour must augment the value of that commodity on which it is exercised, as every diminution must lower it.

Essentially what Ricardo asks for is that the commodities which go into the production of a given good be reduced down to dated labor. The value is directly related to it. (See Appendix).

The ultimate value per commodity is the total labor per output. (See appendix).

But what about price? Value is fine and all, but it is too abstract and decoupled from reality. Ricardo aptly points out that (in his time) money is Gold, and gold is a commodity, thus money itself is a commodity. This is the source of inflation, deflation, and so forth.

However, how could we distinguish inflation from a decrease in output (with the amount of capital and labor remaining the same)? Or from increasing production and firing workers? Or any other anamoly?

This seems to be Ricardo's escape plan, if the Labor Theory of Value doesn't work, it is because either the change in supply of money or the commodity's value is simply determined by rarity alone.

One thing that I thought was rather interesting was Ricardo's passage:


It cannot then be correct, to say with Adam Smith, 'that as labour may sometimes purchase a greater, and sometimes a smaller quantity of goods, it is their value which varies, not that of the labour which purchases them;' and therefore, 'that labour alone never varying in its own value, is alone the ultimate and real standard by which the value of all commodities can at all times and places be estimated and compared;' - but it is correct to say, as Adam Smith had previously said, 'that the proportion between the quantities of labour necessary for acquiring different objects seems to be the only circumstance which can afford any rule for exchanging them for one another'; or in other words, that it is the comparative quantity of commodities which labour will produce, that determines their present or past relative value, and not the comparative quantities of commodities, which are given to the labourer in exchange for his labour.Labor ultimately regulates the value of labor (remember, labor itself is a commodity). Even if you adopt Ricardo's ideas that corn regulates the value of labor, labor regulates the value of corn. This seems to be a bit paradoxical: labor isn't paid its full value but the value of corn. Where does the difference go? <HINT HINT, NUDGE NUDGE, WINK WINK>

For section 3, "Not only the labor applied immediateley to commodities affecting their value, but the labor also which is bestowed on the implements, tools, and buildings, with which such labor is assisted." Curious proposition.

Again, this is covered more mathematically in the appendix, but this is a consistent way to calculate the value of an item: add all the labor that was put into the "implements" of production and the labor just applied.

It is something to think about when reading Marx.

"There can be no rise in the value of labor without a fall of profit." (Section 4)

This is important to consider when reading Marx, for there really is no rise in wage without a fall in profit. Some see this as the workers "stealing" from the capitalists (cough*AynRand*cough), but this is nonsense.

Profit, as Ricardo seems to be hinting at, is from the workers' labor; not "supply and demand".

APPENDIX

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{equation}
V=\sum^{x}_{i=0}\ell_{i}
\end{equation}
$V$ is value, $x$ is the number of production periods up until now, $i$ is a counter of the production periods that include the present, and $\ell_{i}$ is the (dated and recent) labor.

If we were to include Ricardo's definition of value, then for a final commodity $C$ we would need a boolean (a mathematical function that returns 1 or 0 if certain conditions are met). In our case of utility, the boolean is $\mu$ that determines if the consumer has placed utility in the commodity (1 if there is utility, 0 if there is none), and the commodity equation is
\begin{equation}
C=(\mu)(V)=\mu\sum^{x}_{i=0}\ell_{i}
\end{equation}
Thus there is value if and only if there is utility and there is no value if there is no utility. Utility plays no role in terms of "magnitude" of utility but as to whether it exists or does not.

The value per commodity follows simply from this as
\begin{equation}
\frac{\mu\sum^{x}_{i=0}\ell_{i}}{C}
\end{equation}
\end{document}

Severian
23rd January 2006, 21:05
So what Ricardo calls "value of labor" is what Marx calls "value of labor-power", right?


This is important to consider when reading Marx, for there really is no rise in wage without a fall in profit.

Yes, that can be verified empirically. It&#39;s the basis for practical economic policy as well: the money supply has to be regulated in such a way that unemployment doesn&#39;t get too low and result in a rise of wages.

The opposition to increased wages is often justified in terms of fighting inflation; but it&#39;s quietly admitted that higher wages mean lower profits.

ComradeRed
23rd January 2006, 22:17
Yes, labor for Ricardo is the labor power of Marx (or vice versa :P ).

This section is perhaps the most critical to understand out of the entire Principles (I daresay more important than the rest of it combined&#33;). So, it is important to understand the concept of value, the relation of utility to the commodity, to value, etc.

If you don&#39;t understand it from Ricardo, you&#39;re sunk as far as understanding it from Marx is concerned. It is far easier to base Marx&#39;s value on Ricardo&#39;s conception than go straight to Marx&#39;s ab initio.

JazzRemington
24th January 2006, 09:51
I don&#39;t get how demand is a combonation of supply and labor. Is it because demand is limited tot he supply available?

ComradeRed
24th January 2006, 22:14
This is my own thoughts on the matter, and a "professional" Ricardian would probably disagree, but demand is from the consumers and capitalists.

Capitalists, in this frame, is a consumer of capital goods; whereas the consumer is the consumer of consumer goods(who knew&#33;). The consumer is constrained by wages, the capitalist by profit; together this forms demand.

Wages and profit are derived from value and labor. Without labor, no value, no wage, no profit. The constraint on these is therefore labor.

Labor itself is of a certain quantity, and has a certain demand. This relation determines everything else in the economy.

That is, of course, speaking from the perspective of my cynical view that Ricardo was a closet marginalist. And of course this comes from the "credit" that Alfred Marshall, father of modern bourgeois (no, vulgar) economics, gave to Ricardo.

Severian
25th January 2006, 09:41
It makes sense to me. Obviously supply and demand operate, and influence prices. Anyone can observe that scarcity leads to higher prices, and abundance to lower prices.

If value affects prices, then, it has to be through supply and demand. Perhaps this could be expressed as : determining where the supply and demand curves intersect.

"Supply and demand" by itself doesn&#39;t really answer the question of why something has a certain price - they&#39;ve gotta answer why supply and demand result in one price and not another.

Doesn&#39;t vulgar economics recognize that the supply curve is affected by the cost of production? I vaguely remember some filmstrip from school having a graphic demonstration of that.

And "cost of production" is just an alias for how much labor is required for something&#39;s production (including the labor required for producing the inputs.)

JazzRemington
25th January 2006, 18:42
I stil ldon&#39;t get how labor can determine demand for a commodity. I&#39;m thinking that labor produces wages, which is used to purchase a commodity. But this isnt&#39; technically demand, in teh sense of the neo-classical economics.

I understand supply and demand and how labor fits into supply, but I still am not clear how it fits into demand itself.

ComradeRed
25th January 2006, 22:30
Demand, as described by vulgar economics, is the capacity to pay. It isn&#39;t the willigness.

Willigness to get a good is not demand unless you put up the money. Then it is demand.

I am using it in such a sense: the capacity to purchase. This is determined by how much labor was used in the production process (how much wages are allocated, surplus value created, etc.; it puts the money where it needs to be). Then in the exchange process, demand plays its part.

Without labor, there would be no value, and thus no demand.

1. Wages and surplus value are created by labor.
2. Wages and surplus value are exchanged for commodities.
3. Therefore exchange cannot occur without labor.

Labor "regulates" it all, more or less. This is, remember, vulgar economics...it doesn&#39;t need to make sense&#33; :lol:

JazzRemington
26th January 2006, 14:14
So, basically the labor power I use to obtain wages, which is what I put up to cause demand, is the determinant of demand?

ComradeRed
26th January 2006, 22:55
So sayeth Alfred Marshall :)

But in the real world, I doubt it is that simple (contrary to the wishes of bourgeois would be economists).

rararoadrunner
30th January 2009, 09:58
That's it? That's as far as the project's gotten!?

Phew! I thought that things should be far more advanced than when I first wrote A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments back in 1987: if not, wowowow, do we have some catching up to do!

OK, here goes:

1) Besides Ricardo's self-criticism for his not having solved the transformation problem, we also have Marx's critique of Ricardo for failing to explain profit as expressing surplus-value;

2) As such, as Marx's problematic differs from Ricardo's, they address different economic moments, as it were: therefore, Marx's reply to Ricardo doesn't seek solution to the transformation problem;

3) Hence, the transformation problem remains unsolved in Marx: he makes a first approximation in Vol. III of Capital, but, like a first TMA solution in torpedo firing solutions, it is open to further refinement in order to further reduce constraining assumptions.

4) In Production of Commodities by Means of Commodities, Sraffa solves the transformation problem in an extremely illuminating way, taking Ricardo rather than Marx as his starting point: therefore, we have Sraffa and Marx replying to Ricardo from differing standpoints; this begs the question of whether their works can be fruitfully combined or not.

5) While there both neo-Ricardian defenders of Sraffa, and neo-Marxian detractors of Sraffa, there exist other possibilities as well: one such approach which I explore in A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments can be be summerised briefly as follows:

a) Every economy, regardless of mode of production, has within it a subset of industries which supply all or most other industries, including themselves and one-another;

b) Within these basic industries is a further subset which consumes and produces the same products in the same proportions: Sraffa called this "The Standard Commodity;" taking Marx' critique of Ricardo into account (that Ricardo confused economics in general with capitalist economics in particular), I opt for the more general term "The Standard Product."

c) This "Standard Product" not only solves the transformation problem: it also illuminates the growth-optimum proportions of Basic Industries, and therefore provides an objective baseline on how far any economy is from a growth-optimum industrial mix (in additon to my own work, I would recommend the article "Swinging Along the Turnpike with Von Neumann and Sraffa" by the late Richard Goodwin on this point).

d) While all economies can be expected to differ from this growth optimality, capitalism, in which profits are maximised in each firm, differs from socialism, in which growth is optimised over the system as a whole in order to hasten the transition from socialism to communism (Lenin's phrasing): therefore, not only can we apply Marx' critique of Ricardo to Sraffa's model in order to illuminate the inner workings of capitalism: we can also apply a quite different set of specifications in order to use the Standard Product as a guide to sound socialist planning.

I offered A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments to the Soviet government via the Consulate soon after it was written in 1987 in order to assist in the project of perestroika: they didn't use it, and we all saw what happened to the USSR.

I recently offered an updated edition of A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments to the Venezuelan government via that Consulate: so far, no signs that they're interested in using it.

I shall continue to offer A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments to whoever is interested in advancing the political economy of scientific socialism, hence advancing the socialist cause, and, upon the triumph of socialism, the development of socialism into communism.

rararoadrunner
30th January 2009, 10:11
An interesting sidelight on economic development that we'll see coming up real fast here:

As I note in Appendix C of A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments, "A Summing Up of Policy Prescriptions" (the only part of the book available online at this point):

1) As Nikolai Kondratiev illustrated, capitalist development's primary economic cycles are of some 50 years or so in duration;

2) As Ernest Mandel and others have explained, this corresponds to the working of major revolutions in production processes through the capitalist world-economy;

3) As Juliet Schorr, Philip Foner, and others have shown, in order for capitalism to recover from these crises, the working day and working week must be shortened in order to reduce the crisis-levels of unemployment which would otherwise threaten the system: as wage rates must be likewise raised in order to match the productivity increases resulting from the hiring of fresh workers to work "stale hours," this recovery process results in a falling rate of profit, hence provides one explanation of it and of the corresponding capitalist resistance to the necessary structural adjustment.

By the way: the reason this discussion ended up in A Theory of Industrial Imbalances and Investments is that it resulted from a discussion of the abstraction of labour in the main body of the work.

Hope this helps.