A nice easy softball for someone...

[Tormented by Treachery]

After stating that I was communist, this is the response I recieve from a friend:

personally i think that communism is a wonderful theory that just cannot be applied! or else a utopia! in theory it's great to say that all ppl are equal, that there should be no social classes and that everyone should be able to do everything, that the whole world should govern itself etc but just think how this will come out(actually has come out in the Soviet Union) when actually applied.

In the SU ppl were given the same (little)amount and kinds of goods be they scientists or workers, hard-working or barely-working. however well or bad they did their job they got the same. so why keep on working hard and try to scceed when they would get the same as everyone else anyway? plus, they were totally cut off from the rest of the world and were being misinformed that their poverty was richness comparing to [capitalist]America, which of course was far from true.

was that good? was that good that everyone was being equalled, but in a very low level? everyone was being lied to! how nice is that?

plus the soviet governements were more corrupted than any democratic government that has ever existed! totalitarian governments tend to be corrupt cause they don't have elections, the people to answer to for their actions. i'm just reminding you how Stalin murdered his right hand man Leon Trotsky(sp?).

now, i'm not saying that the ideology is wrong, i think that some of the things communism supports must be applied so it is possible to live in this world: anti-racism, giving equal chances to everyone...

but i say give equal chances to everyone to become whatever they want and do not equal what they have become! people that have become rich with their hard work, by studying in college, by staying in while others were having fun, these ppl should be rewarded, it's only fair!

just to make it clear i'm not a capitalist but i'm not a communist either, i think a mixture of the ideology of the 2 is the best way to govern a country and whatever the government is it must be democratically elected and answerable to the ppl!

again my opinion only and meaning no offence to anyone...

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So, who has some free time to take care of this :lol:

[Jadan ja]

In the SU ppl were given the same (little)amount and kinds of goods be they scientists or workers, hard-working or barely-working. however well or bad they did their job they got the same.

That is incorrect. People who worked better received more. Also, I think that I read somewhere that inequality in income in Soviet Union (all the time from 1917-1991) was greater than in Sweeden (I will put the source of information when I find it).


plus, they were totally cut off from the rest of the world and were being misinformed that their poverty was richness comparing to [capitalist]America, which of course was far from true.

Yes, I agree that isolation from the rest of the world and lies were not a good thing. But they are not neccesary, people in Yugoslavia were not isolated and were able to emigrate and work in other countries.


totalitarian governments tend to be corrupt cause they don't have elections, the people to answer to for their actions.

They had elections.


but i say give equal chances to everyone to become whatever they want and do not equal what they have become! people that have become rich with their hard work, by studying in college, by staying in while others were having fun, these ppl should be rewarded, it's only fair!

Equal chances are neccesary to justify any ineqality, but they are not enough to justify too great inequalities that are often created by capitalism. Also, in capitalism people in most cases become rich or poor purely by having or not having luck. Socialism rewards people "according to thier work".


whatever the government is it must be democratically elected and answerable to the ppl!

I agree. And managers should also be elected by the workers.

[LA GUERRA OLVIDADA]

I consider myself a communist but I don't think there will ever be a world utopia. The economic system of Socialism or Marxism or whatever you would like to call it is about the control of a country by the workers to work TOWARDS a better world. I think this world can get a hell of a lot better, but I don't think this world can ever be some government-free utopia. There will always be a system, the point is for us workers to dominate the systems of the world and take it over for ourselves.. The world will never be perfect.