Communism and Taxes

[Abood]

I am wondering...
Does Communism have any say on taxes?! :unsure:

[kaaos_af]

Yeah, sure---

make the rich pay. Bastards.

We workers slave away and they live it up in fancy mansions. I know first hand because my cousin, the bastard, owns all the Toyota car dealers in Queensland. He even helped organise a ball in honour of John Howard (Australian conservative prime minister). Thankfully, my side of the family lives in poverty. But I have seen the way he lives, with his three story mansion and coffee tables worth $8000 each, and I know he pays less tax then me, a manufacturer. Is that right? No.

Taxes have their uses, however, and shouldn't be done away with entirely. At least not under capitalism and, perhaps, the first stage of socialism. Taxes should be allocated accordingly with how much people earn.

[redstar2000]

Communism does not "use" money...so "taxes" is a meaningless concept.

State-monopoly capitalism (called "socialism" in the last century) didn't rely on taxes much either. The state apparatus owned the means of production and financed itself by simply paying lower wages to its employees...which was everybody.

They had income taxes...but I don't think they were significant.

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[Abood]

ok thanks comrades..
but what i meant to ask is:
as socialists/communists, would it be better to support or be against taxes?! and why?!

[Janus]

One can easily see the major tax discrepancies in most industrialized countries. Here in the US, the Bush government obviously favors the rich who have the most to benefit from tax breaks not to mention that some of them can escape it alltogether. Besides, a huge portion of that money goes to the US military and most ordinary civilians don't gain much of a return in that.

I agree that before the communism phase, the state will need taxes to function but the taxes need to be fair and necessary. However, taxes will be abolished during communism. So taxes would be a major issue in any communist organization should focus on and make aware of to the workers and the public. Workers naturally resent taxes since it increases their cost of living. However, capitalism must have taxes since the government requires money with which to operate or else capitalism will go on unmoderated. Socialist democrats support taxes because the public services generated by it contribute to the increased living conditions of the working class. However, I don't think many communists or anarchists would support it to any great degree even if taxation was efficient and fair.

[commiecrusader]

I support very high taxation on the rich, and feel that taxation on the poor should be reduced to the absolute minimum required after this to maintain public services for the time being whilst they are forced to operate within a cappie society.

[Taboo Tongue]

Originally posted by Socialist Advocate+--> (Socialist Advocate)Does Communism have any say on taxes?[/b]
Does it matter if it does? What do you think taxes should be like? If it fits in with Marx's opinion GREAT, if not oh well the old man wasn't always right.
I'd try to approach this questions with somthing like:
What do I think of taxes,
What does Marx think of taxes,
Is Marx still relevant on taxes,
What do others (new, old, socialist, reactionary) think of taxes;
What is correct with, and wrong with Marx's and the other's opinions?
What is my new conclusion on taxes.

What would be the point of confoming to the communist position on taxation if it's not your own? You mine as well conform to the nazi position if you are looking to follow the party line and ask no questions of it.



Marx & Engels - Communist Manifesto
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Communist Manifesto Chp. II (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm)

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 21 2006, 11:36 AM
ok thanks comrades..
but what i meant to ask is:
as socialists/communists, would it be better to support or be against taxes?! and why?!
You should only worry yourself with such a thing if you plan on being a reformist. If you believe revolution is the way to go to reach a communist society the answer is rather obvious, you dont support taxes at all. Most people here dont support trying to lower taxes or get higher wages as we believe that reformist fight is over with and the only true way to win worker struggle is through direct class conflict and revolution.

[Abood]

Ok thanks comrades. I do know my views on taxation, but im just trying to see if communism views fit with it. Well my views are:
taxation should be limited to the rich, for example, no tax should be taken from people who make less than say $10 a day... in that way, we can benefit from the fukkin rich and help the poor ;)

You should only worry yourself with such a thing if you plan on being a reformist. If you believe revolution is the way to go to reach a communist society the answer is rather obvious, you dont support taxes at all. Most people here dont support trying to lower taxes or get higher wages as we believe that reformist fight is over with and the only true way to win worker struggle is through direct class conflict and revolution.
i am not a reformist, but atleast let the poor have a small amount of "heaven" before reaching the real thing (the communist society)... get the rich to pay some of their billions before theyre forced to take it all away.

Thanx Taboo Tongue for ur help :) .. and about ur quote from the Communist Manifesto, i am reading it, finished Chapter II. i think i asked that question before reading it, hehe.. anyway thanks!

[ack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 06:51 PM
I support very high taxation on the rich, and feel that taxation on the poor should be reduced to the absolute minimum required after this to maintain public services for the time being whilst they are forced to operate within a cappie society.
Yes, taxes should be progressive, and not recessive, liek they practically are in the US. Those with money should pay for the government's expenses, not those of us who have barely enough money to pay for rent and food.

[nickdlc]

Originally posted by Marx & Engels - Communist Manifesto
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Communist Manifesto Chp. II (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm)
I always wonder why people go back to the communist manifesto and to those capitalist reforms to "prove" that marx was for "progressive capitalist reforms" (in this case progressive tax). The communist manifesto was one of his early works and his opinion certainly changed. He discredited these reforms in the preface of the 1872 german edition of the communist manifesto. These reforms had to be changed because material conditions had changed, now more than 150 years after the communist manifesto don't you think that material conditions have changed enough to warrant these reforms (or any others he proposed) useless?

http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/184...sto/preface.htm (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/preface.htm)

[Global_Justice]

tax the rich, less tax for the poor - simple

[Abood]

Thanx for the help, comrades.
I wish this comes true, but people like Bush are such bastards that they reduce taxes and make the rich benefit more. What&#39;s his problem? <_<
Do u think he actually has a plan and wants to increase the standard of living of americans or just making the rich richer so that they support him?&#33;
Cuz right now, he&#39;s the worst leader i&#39;ve ever seen.. well, one of the worst&#33;