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Amusing Scrotum
21st January 2006, 12:47
From BBC News....


Originally posted by Extent of DNA database revealed
DNA profiles of 24,000 juveniles who have never been cautioned, charged or convicted of an offence are stored on the UK database, an MP has revealed.

Grant Shapps, who represents Welwyn Hatfield, is to launch a campaign to get the details erased from records.

The Conservative MP fears a huge juvenile database - though not illegal - is being created by "stealth".

Suspects who are arrested over any imprisonable offence can have their DNA held even if they are acquitted.

Mistaken identity

Mr Shapps obtained the Home Office figures after a constituent's son was wrongly arrested and his DNA taken.

The youth, 14-year-old Jack Saywood, was the victim of mistaken identity and his DNA placed on the UK database.

After protests, the local chief constable agreed to remove his details.

Jack's mother, Frances, said she was delighted, adding: "I think my son would have had this record for the rest of his life."

Following his campaign to have the youth's details removed, Mr Shapps discovered profiles of 24,000 youngsters aged 10 to 18 were stored.

"This is just a question of building a database by stealth, by the back door," the MP told the BBC.

"If the government wants to have a DNA database of everybody, including our children, then they need to propose that, bring it to Parliament, we can have a good debate about it and maybe pass it as law."

Police discretion

But Home Office minister Andy Burnham said no-one lost out through being on the database.

"It is not a criminal record to which public authorities and others have access.

"It is an investigative tool that the police can use according to their discretion."

He added there were "proper safeguards in place" as to how DNA information could be used.

The Home Office announced earlier this month that 7% of the UK population would be on the database in two years' time. It is already the biggest in the world and has so far cost £300m

Just over 5% of UK residents currently have their DNA profile held, compared with an EU average of 1.13% and 0.5% in the US.

Crime-fighting success

The Home Office says the number of samples stored will rise to 4.25 million by 2008.

Of the three million samples held at present, 139,463 are from people never charged or cautioned.

There are also samples from more than 15,000 volunteers, including victims of crime, who responded to police appeals.

However, the number of crimes solved through DNA technology has quadrupled over the past five years.

Police can now track down offenders by matching samples with other family members who may be on the database.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4633918.stm).

I have a feeling I am one of that 24,000. Any thoughts on how I can find out and then be removed?

redchrisfalling
22nd January 2006, 00:22
Holy shit. That sucks man. I knew there was shit like that going down but thats pretty exstensive. Im impressed that they ever let it leak. As for finding out and getting clear, i doubt theres a way i would sugest lying low for the next few years(i assume your are aged 10-18) then move to a third world country like Peru or Venezwela. Central America is where the revolution will take hold not Britian.

which doctor
22nd January 2006, 02:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 07:41 PM
Holy shit. That sucks man. I knew there was shit like that going down but thats pretty exstensive. Im impressed that they ever let it leak. As for finding out and getting clear, i doubt theres a way i would sugest lying low for the next few years(i assume your are aged 10-18) then move to a third world country like Peru or Venezwela. Central America is where the revolution will take hold not Britian.
Western Europe and America are much closer to the actual revolution than countries in Latin America are. Those countries are still in the second and third world. A real communist revolution cannot happen there.

Anyways, there probaly isn't a way to get yourself off the database unless you hack into the main computer and destroy the info they have on you. The chances of you doing that are probaly pretty slim, so I just advise you to lay low.

Amusing Scrotum
22nd January 2006, 11:39
Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Jan 22 2006, 02:26 AM--> (Fist of Blood @ Jan 22 2006, 02:26 AM) ....so I just advise you to lay low. [/b]

Yeah I think I'm going to have to do that, though I'm considering writing to the Police to see whether I'm actually on there (not that I expect them to tell the truth).


redchrisfalling
....then move to a third world country like Peru or Venezwela.

Well two problems there....

1) I don't have the resources for such a trip.

2) I don't speak the language.

Amusing Scrotum
22nd January 2006, 11:45
More on this from BBC News....


Originally posted by Juveniles' DNA recording defended
The government has defended storing the DNA profiles of about 24,000 children and young people aged 10 to 18.

The youngsters' details are held on the UK database, despite them never having been cautioned, charged or convicted of an offence, a Conservative MP found.

Grant Shapps obtained the figures in his campaign to have the DNA profile of a wrongly arrested teenager erased.

He fears a juvenile database is being created by "stealth". The Home Office said no-one lost out by being on it.

Suspects who are arrested over any imprisonable offence can have their DNA held even if they are acquitted.

But Mr Shapps fears a huge juvenile database - though not illegal - is being created by "stealth" and the "back door".

Mr Shapps said: "If the government wants to build a DNA database of the entire population, starting with kids - bring forward proposals, pass it through parliament and have a debate."

He is to launch a campaign to get the youngsters' details erased from records.

The Home Office figures came to light when he was campaigning to have the details of 14-year-old Jack Saywood, who was the victim of mistaken identity, deleted.

'Proper safeguards'

After protests, the local chief constable agreed to remove his details.

Jack's mother, Frances, said she was delighted, adding: "I think my son would have had this record for the rest of his life."

But Home Office minister Andy Burnham said no-one lost out through being on the database.

"It is not a criminal record to which public authorities and others have access.

"It is an investigative tool that the police can use according to their discretion."

He added there were "proper safeguards in place" as to how DNA information could be used.

The Home Office announced earlier this month that 7% of the UK population would be on the database in two years' time. It is already the biggest in the world and has so far cost £300m.

Just over 5% of UK residents currently have their DNA profile held, compared with an EU average of 1.13% and 0.5% in the US.

Crime-fighting success

Of the three million samples held at present, 139,463 are from people never charged or cautioned.

The Home Office says the number of samples stored will rise to 4.25 million by 2008.

There are also samples from more than 15,000 volunteers, including victims of crime, who responded to police appeals.

However, the number of crimes solved through DNA technology has quadrupled over the past five years.

Police can now track down offenders by matching samples with other family members who may be on the database.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4633918.stm).

Atlas Swallowed
22nd January 2006, 13:12
They try to trick parents in the US into giving childrens DNA to the FBI saying its for child abductions. Not buying it.