Cuba tortures its people

[CopperGoat]

I have read an article somewhere, about when the US rejected the anti-torture protocol, that it would turn out like the torture countries like Cuba, Iran, China and Nigeria. CUBA???!! Is this true Larissa? I mean come on, Fidel Castro doesn't torture, but they do have death penalty don't they in Cuba?

Larissa help me!

[Larissa]

Quote: from CopperGoat on 2:02 am on Mar. 7, 2003
I have read an article somewhere, about when the US rejected the anti-torture protocol, that it would turn out like the torture countries like Cuba, Iran, China and Nigeria. CUBA???!! Is this true Larissa? I mean come on, Fidel Castro doesn't torture, but they do have death penalty don't they in Cuba?

Larissa help me!I posted it somewhere else, but then again, the only people being tortured in Cuba are the Al-Qaeda suspects held at the prison of Guantanamo, brutally tortured by the CIA.

Also, the following is an excerpt of article from:
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/cuba.htm

"...Moreover, though not amongst the stated objectives
of the Alliance, there was another area of universal importance in which Cuba stood apart from many of its Latin neighbors: there were no legions of "desaparecidos" (missing), no death squads, no systematic, routine torture.

Cuba had become what Washington had always feared from the Third World -- a good example..."

[Pete]

Lara, that is a bit like what my History teacher of the last 2 years always said, but about the Sandisitas. "They are a good example of a bad example" - Mr. Robinson ad nuesum. He means 'bad example' as a country that throws off teh neocolonial regime and installs its own government, without American help.

[Larissa]

I believe that there is something many people are not still aware of. In Cuba, right in the center of Havana, there is a huge US building that "acts" as some sort of US embassy within Cuba. This is not a new facility, it's a very old one. It's called "Oficina de intereses norteamericanos en Cuba" (mm...something like the "US Interests in Cuba Office), where the US consulate operates as well as a CIA office.

Fidel never asked them to leave, despite the uncountable plots the CIA perpetrated against him, nor inteferes with this official US building, nor with the Guantanamo military base.

So, if people were tortured (besides the ones that are actually tortured by the CIA a the Guatanamo base) this CIA satellite office, located in the heart of the capital city, would have "done" something about it.

Cuba does not torture people, and does not support tortures.

I does exist death penalty, but the last person executed was a high-rank Cuban Officer who fought in Angola (Ochoa) because he became involved in the drug-dealing business.

He was imprisoned and finally had a FAIR trial where he was sentenced to the capital punishment.

[Larissa]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 12:22 pm on Mar. 7, 2003
Lara, that is a bit like what my History teacher of the last 2 years always said, but about the Sandisitas. "They are a good example of a bad example" - Mr. Robinson ad nuesum. He means 'bad example' as a country that throws off teh neocolonial regime and installs its own government, without American help.
Yes, I know. In my country happens exactly the same, the good example is considered a bad example and vice versa.

[mentalbunny]

In RS at the moment we're doing Capital Punishment and my RS teacher spent alot of time in south america. He also supports amnesty international, he's a real dude and we get on real well, i ask him for advice about improving the world and how to go about it.

anyway I'll ask him how much he knows about Cuba and the death penalty.

[Alexius Comnenus]

Well I am not sure about tortures as they always occur in the world either from commands or from the violent behaviour of policemen.Fidel had let already many anti-communists leave the island.This decrease the possibility of systematic anti-regime torturing but occasions do occur when cruelty shows up.

Ofcourse this is not what happens with socialism-communsim.People should be treated as they treat others.

[Xvall]

Larissa. I love that quote.

Cuba had become what Washington had always feared from the Third World -- a good example.

[Borincano]

Larissa, what about Fidelito's persecution of homosexuals, especially poets and writers who wrote against him and his rule but were in no way connected to the CIA? Most of this happened in the 60's and 70's, now the Cuban gov't is a little more tolerant, but in my mind, not truly democratic. Heck, there is no country in this world that is truly a democracy, but I do think it is possible.

(Edited by Borincano at 8:28 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)

[canikickit]

I read in "A Revolutionary Life" that some guy (I forget his name) was excecuted for distributing anti-communist literature. I think this is fucking bullshit, it wasn't neccessary to kill him, it was a step too far.

Anyway.

[Exploited Class]

Well you can also wonder who is stating the definition of tortured.

Cappie - "The people of Cuba are tortured because they can't live thier dream to own a buisness and trade on the free market"

Me
"I work 40 hours a week to make a wealthy person more wealthy. I will live this existance of exploitation till I die or if lucky enough retire. I am being tortured in my mere existance."

[Kapitan Andrey]

About topic: I don't belive in this!!!

[Larissa]

Quote: from Borincano on 11:27 pm on Mar. 7, 2003
Larissa, what about Fidelito's persecution of homosexuals, especially poets and writers who wrote against him and his rule but were in no way connected to the CIA? Most of this happened in the 60's and 70's, now the Cuban gov't is a little more tolerant, but in my mind, not truly democratic. Heck, there is no country in this world that is truly a democracy, but I do think it is possible.

(Edited by Borincano at 8:28 pm on Mar. 7, 2003)
That belongs to the past, it no longer exists. If you happen to travel to Cuba, stand for a couple of minutes in front of the Yara movie-theatre, it's on the corner or two main downtown streets, and is crowded with homosexuales and transvestites.

homosexuality is very common in Cuba nowdays. Lesbians and gays live together and do not need to hide neither at work, school or while walking on the streets.

[Borincano]

Quote: from Larissa on 7:08 am on Mar. 8, 2003
That belongs to the past, it no longer exists.

That's what I wrote. "Most of this happened in the 60's and 70's, now the Cuban gov't is a little more tolerant...." It belongs to the past but the rule who allowed this to happen still exists in the present; has Fidelito ever apologized for his "moral purges," and if so, have any sources so I can look that up?

[Larissa]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 11:12 pm on Mar. 7, 2003
Larissa. I love that quote.

Cuba had become what Washington had always feared from the Third World -- a good example.
I agree with you Drake.
It's one of the best things I ever heard. :smile:

[Larissa]

Quote: from Borincano on 12:48 am on Mar. 9, 2003

Quote: from Larissa on 7:08 am on Mar. 8, 2003
That belongs to the past, it no longer exists.
That's what I wrote. "Most of this happened in the 60's and 70's, now the Cuban gov't is a little more tolerant...." It belongs to the past but the rule who allowed this to happen still exists in the present; has Fidelito ever apologized for his "moral purges," and if so, have any sources so I can look that up?
Honestly, I don't have that information to answer properly.

[The Communist Threat]

It is very sad to see that homosexuals did not have rights in Cuba in the past...but at least they have them now...

[Iepilei]

well every nation on earth has it's dark history it's gone throught... some have more of it than others...

[Sirion]

In the 60's and 70's, homosexuals had no rights ANYWHERE on the planet...





At least not the rights other people had.

[CheViveToday]

Even though there were many executions in Cuba directly following the revolution, they were done humanely and quickly, after a fair trial. Think about the people arrested by Batista prior to the revolution. They were often tortured for days, weeks, or even months before finally being killed. Also dealing with the homosexuality, are they allowed to marry in Cuba now?

[Borincano]

Quote: from CheViveToday on 7:51 pm on Mar. 10, 2003
Also dealing with the homosexuality, are they allowed to marry in Cuba now?

Last time I heard, legally, no, but it's tolerated.

[CheViveToday]

Too bad they're not. That would be another argument to show that Cuba is better than the U.S.