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ReD_ReBeL
17th January 2006, 19:08
BNP head called 'multi-racial hellhole' -court
Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:13 PM GMT

By Summer Said

LEEDS (Reuters) - The leader of the far-right British National Party, who went on trial on Tuesday accused of inciting racial hatred, told followers Muslims had turned Britain into a "multi-racial hellhole", a court heard.

Nick Griffin, 45, and fellow BNP member Mark Collett, 24, are accused of using threatening, abusive or insulting words towards people of "Asian ethnicity" in speeches to supporters which were caught on film by an undercover journalist.

The BNP is a marginal party with an anti-immigration stance on the fringe of British politics. It commands nothing like the influence of similar far-right parties across Europe but holds several seats on local councils.

Rodney Jameson, prosecuting, said the charges related to six speeches at private party meetings made by Griffin and Collett which were secretly filmed by a BBC reporter who had joined the BNP in December 2003.

They were later screened as part of the BBC's "The Secret Agent" documentary series in July 2004.

"White society has been turned to a multi-racial hellhole -- vote BNP so we can ensure the British people really realise the evil of what these people have done to our country," Jameson quoted Griffin as saying in a speech in January 2004.

Referring to violent incidents involving Muslims, Jameson said Griffin told the meeting: "These are going to continue because that is what the Koran says is acceptable."

Jameson said Collett had told the same meeting: "People living in Bradford and Keighley (in northern England) live in hell. This is because of rape and muggings. This is always by Asians on white people."

Of Britain's 60 million people, some 1.6 million are Muslims.

Griffin, a Cambridge University graduate, denies two counts of using words or behaviour intending to stir up racial hatred and two of using words or behaviour likely to stir up racial hatred.

Collett denies four counts of the first offence and four of the second. They face a maximum of 7 years in prison if found guilty.

The BNP, which took over as Britain's most prominent far-right party after breaking from the National Front in 1982, has won a handful of local authority seats, mainly in poorer areas with large ethnic populations.

It won its first local election in 1993 in the run-down Millwall area of east London, triggering some of the capital's worst race-related unrest since riots in the early 1980s.

However, the party failed to win any more seats at either local or national level for nine years until it captured three council seats in 2002 in Burnley, amid simmering tensions months after northern England had witnessed a summer of race riots.

On Monday, more than 50 police kept watch as hundreds of demonstrators and BNP supporters massed outside Leeds Crown Court in anticipation of the trial.

However on Tuesday there was barely a handful of protesters.



HAHa, i hope them racist twats are jailed. That party should be banned in the first place.lol i admire that undercover journalist.

Goatse
17th January 2006, 19:18
Haha, owned!

I hope the dickheads die on the way to jail. I'd certainly be prepared to molotov the van.

ComradeOm
17th January 2006, 19:31
I doubt they've caused the police enough trouble to warrent an "accidental trip" down the jail steps.

Noah
17th January 2006, 19:53
Yep 0wnage, I hope these BNP's go to jail then are raped by a fellow inmate. These people make me so sick I can't explain with words.

Commie Rat
18th January 2006, 01:36
Sweeps are up!

1;2 getting stabbed by a muslim innamate
1;34 getting done by a muslim innamate
1;678 getting a pardon
1;1 gettting their office trashed if pardoned

Body Count
18th January 2006, 03:44
They should be burned alive.

Severian
18th January 2006, 07:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 01:24 PM
HAHa, i hope them racist twats are jailed. That party should be banned in the first place.lol i admire that undercover journalist.
And at the same time:
The European Union is considering a proposal to ban communism by equating it to Nazism. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=44876&st=0&#entry1292001594)

Looking to the bourgeois state to ban fascism is ineffective as a way of fighting fascism...but an effective way of undercutting your own legality.

The capitalist state will never effectively repress fascism. If it is banned under one name, it will be allowed to pop up under another.

But if we support the bosses having the power to ban parties or ideas....what will you say when it's your turn?

Reuben
18th January 2006, 11:29
im with severian here - note that the British COmmunist Party opposed the public order act brought in during the 1930s allegedly to fight fascists - and as they predicted it was used to repress workers

commiecrusader
18th January 2006, 12:14
It's about time they were 'sorted'.

Scars
18th January 2006, 13:19
I doubt he'll be imprisoned, he'll probably just geta slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket.

However I do like fascists, they'd definately the most honest of the capitalists. I mean, they don't lie or try to conceal their opinions about race, immigration etc like more 'moderate' capitalists do.

Severian
19th January 2006, 07:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 05:45 AM
im with severian here - note that the British COmmunist Party opposed the public order act brought in during the 1930s allegedly to fight fascists - and as they predicted it was used to repress workers
Or in the U.S., the Smith Act which outlawed "advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government by force and violence" was first used against to slap some pathetic Hitler wannabes on the wrist. (The German-American Bund.)

Then it was used against the Socialist Workers Party. The Communist Party USA supported both these prosecutions. In the case of the SWP they said it was an agency of Hitler, as they said about all parties to their left.

Then after WWII the same law was used repeatedly against the Communist Party. A whole number of its leaders served long terms, and others went into hiding. They had a hard time getting anyone to defend them, partly because of their record of justifying repression against others.

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Scars wrote: "However I do like fascists, they'd definately the most honest of the capitalists. I mean, they don't lie or try to conceal their opinions about race, immigration etc like more 'moderate' capitalists do."

But they conceal the fact they're supporters of capitalism. They claim to be "national socialists" or otherwise use seemingly pro-worker demagogy.

And people like the BNP, the French National Front, the Austrian Freedom Party, Patrik Buchanan and company in the U.S....conceal the fact they're fascists. Don't openly declare it, that is. They wink and nod, so they can keep the allegiance of their fascist-minded supporters on the one hand and remain a semi-respectable part of bourgeois politics on the other.

If anything, they're less honest than other capitalist parties. The biggest and most bold-faced liars in all of politics, other than Stalinists. It's not for nothing that the "Big Lie" technique is associated with Hitler and Goebbels.

kurt
19th January 2006, 11:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 05:35 AM
However I do like fascists, they'd definately the most honest of the capitalists. I mean, they don't lie or try to conceal their opinions about race, immigration etc like more 'moderate' capitalists do.
A dubious statement, at best, and quite frankly wrong.

Most capitalists don't hold such ignorant views on race, or immigration, because it's simply not rational. They don't care of the colour of who they exploit. As long as they produce a profit, everything is good. The same goes with immigration.

Capitalism has been progressive enough to errode such baseless opinions, even though some linger. The drive for profit will always tend to eliminate anything of hindrance on it's path.

bolshevik butcher
19th January 2006, 16:06
I'm actually unsure. Much as i hate facism and would like to see another cable st, I dont know if improsoning people for holding 'undesirable' views is good. Who's next?

ReD_ReBeL
19th January 2006, 16:44
I dont know if improsoning people for holding 'undesirable' views is good. Who's next?

Holding people for undesirable views is one thing, but inciting racial violence surely has to be punishable you not think?

FriedFrog
19th January 2006, 19:14
I hope Nick Griffen gets a rock 'ard black cell mate :D

bolshevik butcher
19th January 2006, 19:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 05:00 PM

I dont know if improsoning people for holding 'undesirable' views is good. Who's next?

Holding people for undesirable views is one thing, but inciting racial violence surely has to be punishable you not think?
yeh sure whos to judge i mean sriously, i think that incitment as a crime is a ddangerous precedent.

Severian
20th January 2006, 08:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 11:00 AM

I dont know if improsoning people for holding 'undesirable' views is good. Who's next?

Holding people for undesirable views is one thing, but inciting racial violence surely has to be punishable you not think?
But that's not what this prosecution is for. If they were holding the leaders responsible for the violent acts of their skinhead followers, that might be different.

But this is a prosecution for "inciting racial hatred" and all the evidence mentioned in the article is not violent acts, but racist words.

If the ruling class can outlaw the preaching of racial hatred, what's to stop them from outlawing the preaching of class hatred?

Dark Exodus
20th January 2006, 13:26
Refering to the undercover investigation, people seem quick to accept the media when it suits them.

As for the topic, I hope they rot.

James
20th January 2006, 13:51
Sending these people to jail doesn't actually solve the problem. Just makes martyrs if anything.

The problem is that many people BELIEVE the stuff that they say. They have an audience. True they help develop the audience numbers/style/perception: but the fact still stands that the audience exists. If you believe that all humans are rational beings, then surely you must also believe that simple argument can stop the problem.

I think there are serious "freedom of speech" issues here too. The words arn't the problem. The problem is that people actually believe the words. Trying to stop people saying the words will therefore not stop the problem.

DaRk-OnE
20th January 2006, 17:59
:D hopefully the bastards will rot in jail

James
2nd February 2006, 18:09
"The British National party leader, Nick Griffin, today walked free from court after the jury cleared him of two race hate charges and failed to reach verdicts on two others."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/st...1700814,00.html (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1700814,00.html)

loveme4whoiam
2nd February 2006, 20:04
And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the latest fuck-up by our justice system :angry:
There are not words to describe my distaste and hatred of these racist bastards, and fuck all the arguments of "to prevent racism is intruding on free speech", these bastards should not be allowed to spread such a fucking wrong, EVIL message to ignorant bastards who will believe it.

Goatse
2nd February 2006, 20:08
We should throw pies in their faces.

bolshevik butcher
2nd February 2006, 21:45
Well, if he had been jailed what would it have showed? I think it might have made a martyr out of him. I'm not really into imprisoning people for undesirable political views.

James
2nd February 2006, 22:58
seems that there is a strong chance of a retrial.