Guess i'm the new guy

[badinplaid19]

hey all
i am a 17 year old high school senior from new england with a center-left ideology
i am also a practicing catholic and an active community volunteer
my interest in politics started my sophomore year when i wrote a paper about the cuban revolution for history class
i was really curious about the man they called "che"
after reading more about his life, i decided to try and become more involved in my community
i volunteered as a page at the local non-profit hospital for a year, and i'm currently lending a hand at the methodist-run soup kitchen in town
while these have been rewarding experiences, i want to do more politically
i need to become more active than just debating with people in school and volunteering locally
hopefully i can meet up with some comrades on this site who would be willing to lend me a helping hand and let me know where i can look to become more of an activist

[More Fire for the People]

Welcome!

This might interest you, Catholic_Worker_Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Worker_Movement)

[Led Zeppelin]

Get rid of that horrible font.

[Sentinel]

Welcome!
This place is a great source on learning about marxism.
You'll get a hard time if you try to defend religion on this board though,
I'm afraid ;)

[badinplaid19]

haha, i'm not here to force my brand of religion down anyone's throat. by the same token, i don't expect to be harassed for it. those who hate people for their religion are just as much a bigot as those who hate people because of their sexual orientation or race. thanks for the above links btw.

[Sentinel]

those who hate people for their religion are just as much a bigot as those who hate people because of their sexual orientation or race

Well on this I disagree. But let's not debate this here. There is a separate Religion Forum (A sub-forum for Opposing Ideologies btw :) ) But welcome, anyway, and have fun here!

[Led Zeppelin]

those who hate people for their religion are just as much a bigot as those who hate people because of their sexual orientation or race.

Wrong, you can't change your race or sexual orientation, you can change your religion, in other words, you can choose to not believe that crap.

[Janus]

Wow, you've been able to stir up quite a bit of controversy on your first day but I welcome you to this forum nonetheless. I would recommend you to defend religion in the Opposing Ideologies forum and I strongly hope that you will be persuaded away from religion during your stay here.

[expatriot]

Welcome to the forum. I'm afraid some of the people on here are intolerant but I wouldn't pay too much attention to that. Your religion is your business. After all, I think in America we did fight a revolution once to insure that people have freedom- which also means freedom of religion- as long as it's not being pushed on other people. It didn't seem like you were pushing your religion or defending it- It seemed that you were simply telling the group about yourself.

So, with that said- Welcome Comrade! Hope you enjoy the forum and learn a lot while you're here.

:)

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by Expatriot
After all, I think in America we did fight a revolution once to insure that people have freedom- which also means freedom of religion- as long as it's not being pushed on other people.

This, however, is an international internet message board for leftists, not America. :P


It didn't seem like you were pushing your religion or defending it- It seemed that you were simply telling the group about yourself.

I agree. I just told him what to expect, should he do it.
I'm not judging anyone before they show what they go for, we should never do that.

[expatriot]

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This, however, is an international internet message board for leftists, not America. :P


Oops... you're right. Hope I didn't offend anyone. :unsure:

[Sabocat]

After all, I think in America we did fight a revolution once to insure that people have freedom

:lol:


Yeah, freedom for the Puritanical wealthy, slave owning, land owning ruling class to not pay taxes to the crown. The farmers and poor however were duped to fight their ridiculous revolution under the guise of "patriotic fervor, independence and freedom"


Gee...I hope that didn't come off too cynical. ;)

[expatriot]

Not- not too cynical ;) and I agree- but you cut off the last part of my sentence- freedom of religion. I didn't mean freedom in the true sense since we are not free.
But that's another topic and don't want to hijack the board.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 16 2006, 03:05 AM

those who hate people for their religion are just as much a bigot as those who hate people because of their sexual orientation or race.

Wrong, you can't change your race or sexual orientation, you can change your religion, in other words, you can choose to not believe that crap.
It's the crap you should hate. Yes people have created religion but it's here and not the fault of the present generation. Should we begin working towards its abolition? Yes but we shouldn't hate people because they believe in it but help them move to our way of thinking.

badinplaid19 is probably very attached to his religion. Hopefully he'll read Marx etc. and become less attached. He may not but he isn't a bad person if he doesn't.

[C_Rasmussen]

Welcome to the site. Nice to see a fellow Catholic on here :). Trust me though you&#39;ll get hasseled for your beliefs on here <_<. Just go into any thread in "Religion" and you&#39;ll see what I mean. Anyway hope you like the board.

[ReD_ReBeL]

welcome mate.
I don&#39;t know why people are so intolerant about religion on here? If religion is personal to them then good, but i don&#39;t like it is religious people exclude other i.e homosexuals because there not liked due to thetre religious teachings.
Anyway in our beloved Cuba, it is punishable to descrimniate against a person for holding religious beliefs.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 01:19 PM
welcome mate.
I don&#39;t know why people are so intolerant about religion on here? If religion is personal to them then good, but i don&#39;t like it is religious people exclude other i.e homosexuals because there not liked due to thetre religious teachings.
Anyway in our beloved Cuba, it is punishable to descrimniate against a person for holding religious beliefs.
Soooo technically more than half this board could get in trouble in Cuba for how they are about religion?

[ReD_ReBeL]

yes, it is treated the same as someone making racist and sexist comments.

[ReD_ReBeL]

Article 42 of the Constitution states that any form of discrimination because of “race, skin colour, sex, national origin, religious belief and any other form of discrimination harmful to human dignity is proscribed and
sentenced by law.” All public bodies and enterprises are required to comply with the requirement to treat all people with equal respect and consideration.

[ComTom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 07:19 PM
welcome mate.
I don&#39;t know why people are so intolerant about religion on here? If religion is personal to them then good, but i don&#39;t like it is religious people exclude other i.e homosexuals because there not liked due to thetre religious teachings.
Anyway in our beloved Cuba, it is punishable to descrimniate against a person for holding religious beliefs.
None of us are intolerant to religon. We are extremely critical towards the basis and meaning of religon and we will not be involved in it. We do not hate Christians, but we disagree with them.

[VictoryOverWar]

Well dont let my quote offend you at the bottom of this post. Welcome to the board i hope to hear more thouts and ideas from you. Dont feel like you have to defend your religion here....just be ready to read alot of criticism circulating on this board about religion.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 03:19 PM
welcome mate.
I don&#39;t know why people are so intolerant about religion on here? If religion is personal to them then good, but i don&#39;t like it is religious people exclude other i.e homosexuals because there not liked due to thetre religious teachings.
Anyway in our beloved Cuba, it is punishable to descrimniate against a person for holding religious beliefs.
Its no my fucking beloved Cuba. Castro can take his constitution and shove it up his ass. Fucking paid his respects to a reactionary pope. No room for religion in a communist society.

[badinplaid19]

no room for religion in a communist society?
what if i said there&#39;s no room for gays in a communist society?
you would call me a bigot, and rightfully so.
i happen to believe in a value system that preaches equality, freedom, peace, justice, love for your humans, and kindness. why is that a bad thing?
because i refuse to submit to the marxist view of religion being the opium of the masses? yeah, i&#39;ve read communist manifesto, and honestly i wasn&#39;t overly impressed.
marx had some good points, but do you believe all women should be held in common? that was in there, too.
but the real reason i don&#39;t respect marx isn&#39;t for his criticism of religion, but for his hypocrisy. marx was a philosopher. he sat around and talked and thought and wrote. he did nothing for the cause.
there are much better people to admire.
che did a lot for the cause, and if i remember right, he was very religious and can be seen holding rosary beads in quite a few pictures.
gandhi did much for the cause of humanity and he was religious.
Christ Himself fought for the rights of the poor and disenfranchised, and we all know how firmly he believed.
comrades, i choose to be religious. you choose not to be. i don&#39;t attack your beliefs because i respect you and your choice. i don&#39;t expect you to attack mine. there are bigger issues out there than whether or not you believe in God.
we all share a common humanity. it&#39;s time to show that and stop your name calling and infighting. unity, comrades, unity.

[ReD_ReBeL]

[/QUOTE]che did a lot for the cause, and if i remember right, he was very religious and can be seen holding rosary beads in quite a few pictures.[QUOTE]

Yes, Che did alot for the cause. but no he wasn&#39;t religious he was an athiest. I&#39;m not getting at you for being religious , i couldent give a toss lol. I&#39;m just telling you that he was an athiest

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 06:59 PM
no room for religion in a communist society?
what if i said there&#39;s no room for gays in a communist society?
you would call me a bigot, and rightfully so.
i happen to believe in a value system that preaches equality, freedom, peace, justice, love for your humans, and kindness. why is that a bad thing?
because i refuse to submit to the marxist view of religion being the opium of the masses? yeah, i&#39;ve read communist manifesto, and honestly i wasn&#39;t overly impressed.
marx had some good points, but do you believe all women should be held in common? that was in there, too.
but the real reason i don&#39;t respect marx isn&#39;t for his criticism of religion, but for his hypocrisy. marx was a philosopher. he sat around and talked and thought and wrote. he did nothing for the cause.
there are much better people to admire.
che did a lot for the cause, and if i remember right, he was very religious and can be seen holding rosary beads in quite a few pictures.
gandhi did much for the cause of humanity and he was religious.
Christ Himself fought for the rights of the poor and disenfranchised, and we all know how firmly he believed.
comrades, i choose to be religious. you choose not to be. i don&#39;t attack your beliefs because i respect you and your choice. i don&#39;t expect you to attack mine. there are bigger issues out there than whether or not you believe in God.
we all share a common humanity. it&#39;s time to show that and stop your name calling and infighting. unity, comrades, unity.
I think nate was trying to piss you off so you&#39;d express your religious beliefs just so you get restricted because him with a number of other people HATE religion. Personally I think thats really fucking immature on nate&#39;s part <_<.

[badinplaid19]

just a little immature. w/e nate. i hope to God that w/e your view of a perfect society is never comes about.

[Sentinel]

Originally posted by badinplaid19

marx had some good points, but do you believe all women should be held in common?

Another so called "must-read" for people curious of communism,
The Principles of Communism by Engels, states following on the issue:


What will be the influence of communist society on the family?

It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.

And here is the answer to the outcry of the highly moral philistines against the “community of women”. Community of women is a condition which belongs entirely to bourgeois society and which today finds its complete expression in prostitution. But prostitution is based on private property and falls with it. Thus, communist society, instead of introducing community of women, in fact abolishes it.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...11/prin-com.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm)

[Sentinel]

Sorry bout the double post. Had some "technical problems" with my computer :blush:

[Sentinel]

he sat around and talked and thought and wrote. he did nothing for the cause.

LOL :D Ok, if starting the modern communist movement doesn&#39;t count,
I guess he didn&#39;t do that much.


che did a lot for the cause, and if i remember right, he was very religious and can be seen holding rosary beads in quite a few pictures.

He was definitely not "very religious". He might have payed lip service to his native catholicism, to not scare potential allies away. Not so smart, and certainly nothing I would do. Ever.

But please provide some sources, not that picture but some text that actually proves Che was religious. I find it very hard to believe considering that he was a Leninist.

Please do not get offended by our posts, comrade&#33; This is a discussion board, we are supposed to discuss things we disagree upon. Peace, man&#33; ;)