Hip-hop

[ThePrincePoetik]

I have seen quite a bit ov h8 towards hip-hop on this site already, and i find it ironic because 'original raw hip-hop' is about rebellion. A lot of you are blinded by the commercial hip-hop such as 50cent, Nelly, chingy etc, your forgetting Tupac, wu tang, RZA, public enemy, cypress hill, gravediggaz killah priest etc! Tru rebels and i think it's a shame so many ppl turn their noses up at the hip-hop artform.

[redchrisfalling]

I will adpit i am guilty of generalizeing, there is a difference between main stream rap and hip hop, but i often think of them as one. In my defence i listen and play music for the music not the message and they are very simalir forms of music. I have found some hip hop i enjoy if you could sugest where i could look for more i would apreciate it. Of the bands you already mentioned, public enemy is no bad and i've never listened to wu tang but i havent liked the others and i will try to find some wu tang in the near futre.

[ThePrincePoetik]

i'd be happy to tell you of places you can get real hip-hop, not the crummy, commercial, played hip-hop you find on radio 1.

well if you have bearshare i advice you d/load these bands-

gravediggaz (v good dark deap band, who have done some political songs but mainly songs about death etc).

Cypress Hill (a different sort of hip-hop, again very deep and dark, with a rapper thats got a very distinctive style)

Tupac Shakur (Brilliant if you listen to the right stuff, if you can get your hands on the 'all eyes on me' album youll find a masterpiece).

Method Man (he's a good mix of underground and commercial, try and find his older stuff, it's brilliant).

Killah Priest (absolutely brilliant, amazin lyricist)

RZA (the man is a genius writes and produces his own music, really thought provoking artist).

Im happy 2 help!

[Red Leader]

I enjoy anything that is real music. SOME hip hop doesn't bug me. I do like listning to artists that stick where they came from, who don't forget the jazz, blues soul, and real r&b that hip hop spawns from ( I say real r&b because the term is used so loosely today. It means rhythm and blues, and the artists today that are labelled this possess niether.) However there are some commecial artists like Kanye West, and The Roots, who are real musicians. Even though it isn't my favorite genre, I do enjoy listening to those artists that make real music instead of just talkning to lame ass beats about money and girls.

Some of the old school stuff like are pretty revolutionary in nature, singing about anti establishment and the like, unlike today's artist's promoting the millions of clones of themselves wearing flat ball caps, do-rags and baggy shirts.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I haven't really looked around the music section much but it's sad to hear hip-hop has been getting put down.

This is an artform just as much as any music form. It represents a culture. In that sense, it is more artistic than the things we consider to be true artistic forms of music. It's a shame that people are so narrow-minded with musical tastes. The Rolling Stones, The Strokes, Jeff Buckley, Mozart, Madonna, Wu-Tang Clan, Nas, The Beatles, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Dead Prez..... These are all artists, expressing themselves. Expressing their feelings, their society, their cultures....

To think that people would put anyone's art down as not artistic is shameful. I mean, I've nothing against people not liking, say, "Protect Ya Neck" by the Wu-Tang Clan. But questioning it's artistic value is just ignorant. It is just as artistic and culturally important as, say, "Working Class Hero" by Lennon or Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come".

It riles me when people's art gets criticised for not being art. You may not like the song, but get your description of why you don't like it correct. Remember WHY hip-hop began. Where it began and how it began. And make the link to what is being said in hip-hop.


I've always suggested one thing when I hear people criticising hip-hop with no proper reasoning..... there is definitely racism involved. Subconsciously.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Although I prefer older hip-hop, even modern stuff must be commended. Acts like 50 Cent etc aren't really to my taste, but when they talk about what they talk about they are only expressing their cultures.

People should remember this.

[JKP]

Check out socialist rapper zearle:

http://zearle.com/


Also check out immortal technique; he is one the best artists around.

[ThePrincePoetik]

im happy to see this site is more open minded then a lot of other ones i have seen.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 08:56 AM
Check out socialist rapper zearle:

http://zearle.com/


Really bad rhymes going on in there.

But I appreciate their effort.

[commiecrusader]

Dead Prez are good as well. 'Tech is the best political rapper out there though.

O yeah, Paris is kinda good as well.

[Sense-A]

I agree with every rapper/group you recommended but Hip Hop has already been commercialized and marketed, sold out so to speak. It was inevitable. Its time for a new music movement it will happen these things work in cycles. Personally I'd like to see people learning instruments again not sampling records.

[The Grey Blur]

What's with the word nigger

[dusk]

I prever the more alternative kind of hiphop.

For example the roots.
they have their own style, a live band.
they don't care about what the 'industry'says.
I think it's a good thing to stay real. :)

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 11:40 PM
I have seen quite a bit ov h8 towards hip-hop on this site already, and i find it ironic because 'original raw hip-hop' is about rebellion. A lot of you are blinded by the commercial hip-hop such as 50cent, Nelly, chingy etc, your forgetting Tupac, wu tang, RZA, public enemy, cypress hill, gravediggaz killah priest etc! Tru rebels and i think it's a shame so many ppl turn their noses up at the hip-hop artform.
Yeah because public Enemy are going to be be on Radio One, as are NWA, i can see it now, those two irish and scottish DJ's just saying, oh and heres a bit of "Niggaz with attitude for you!": -


"Straight outta Compton, crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube
From the gang called Niggaz With Attitudes"

Thats really radio one material. :rolleyes:

And Tupac is the ultimate example of a highly over rated pop hiphop artist.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 05:52 PM
And Tupac is the ultimate example of a highly over rated pop hiphop artist.
Word, mothafucka

[bunk]

Some recommendations-

Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts, and Hip Hop

Showbiz and A.G - Runaway Slave

Lord Finesse & DJ Mike Smooth - Funky Technician

Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy

Big Pun - Capital Punishment

Big L - Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous

Biggie - Ready To Die

Nas - Illmatic, It Was Written & Stillmatic

Some lesser but still good hip hop is -

Immortal Technique

Dead Prez

R.A The Rugged Man

GZA - Liquid Swords

Wu Tang - 36 Chambers

ODB - Return To The 36 Chambers

I got Gravediggaz but wasn't really that impressed

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Gorillaz- Clint Eastwood (Phi Life Cypher version)

great song..

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 3 2006, 04:00 AM
What's with the word nigger
Are you being serious?

[Djehuti]

How about Immortal Technique? Radical leftist hip hop.
Download: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3362522
Lyrics: http://www.lyrics007.com/Immortal%20Technique%20Lyrics.html

[chimx]

Most people mentioned everything that was worth listening to. Here are a few additions. Blackalicious' The Craft was my favorite hip hop release of 2005, though the production quality of Kanye's late registration remained unmatched last year. MF Doom is quite good, as is Jedi Mind Tricks. Technique does some stuff with AKIR, who I like a great deal. Aesop Rock and Atmosphere are both fun, though the former I could never get into quite as much.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Mar 5 2006, 02:59 AM--> (Black Dagger @ Mar 5 2006, 02:59 AM)
Rage Against The [email protected] 3 2006, 04:00 AM
What's with the word nigger
Are you being serious? [/b]
Do you think I was being serious?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

How about Immortal Technique? Radical leftist hip hop.

He'd be alot better if he bagged the homophobia and mysgony..

Here's some other political hip hop:
http://www.guerrillafunk.com - Paris, T-KASH, Public Enemy, etc
http://www.bareregular.com & http://www.sunriseabove.com - Sun Rise Above, 7Wounds, etc

[Black Dagger]

Do you think I was being serious?

I dunno, that's why i asked.

I have to mention Dead Prez too, started listening to them about 2 months ago, fucking awesome! Some great stuff, conscious lyrics, really fucking catchy too.

[Qen]

The Roots
Jed Mind Tricks
Murs
Dilated Peoples
Ras Kass
MF Doom
GZA

[vox_populi]

Danger Doom's record "The Mouse and The Mask" is really good!

[Abood]

Hip-Hop is a sexist piece of genre. Singin' about girls being property and dominating them...
Rap, I don't mine, if it's not about sex, etc.. but hip-hop is hardly from the heart and as leftists, not just the leftists.. people who seek gender equality, we shouldn't be listening to such sexism.

[AspirinE]

MF DOOM - is hip hop in raw form, he doesnt even show his face, and releases albums under numerouse aliases.

RAKIM- Thats god right there, "dont sweat the technique" is a very thoughfull album with fast rhythm beats, hip hop doesnt get purer or better than this.

There's a whole other scene of hip hop that people dont witness unless they look into it.

If a musician wants to get a point and a message across, rap is the the best way to do so.

[bunk]

Lord Finesse
Showbiz
AG
Deshawn
Diamond D
OC

[Hampton]

Rap is an element of hip-hop, not the other way around. Hip Hop is not sexist, some Emcees may be sexism in their lyrics, but that does not give an accurate portrayal of the whole genre of rapping. Hip Hop is based on four elements Deejaying, emceeing, breaking, and graffiti art and it may indeed be in the heart of many leftists.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I recently saw Dave Chapelle's Block Party, which is pretty great. It's like an urban Woodstock with hip-hop and less balling in the mud. It even rains.

The Roots, Dead Prez, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Black Star (Mos Def & Talib Kweli together), Common, Kanye West, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, and various others

good stuff
some of my favorite rap artsist

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:59 AM
Rap is an element of hip-hop, not the other way around. Hip Hop is not sexist, some Emcees may be sexism in their lyrics, but that does not give an accurate portrayal of the whole genre of rapping. Hip Hop is based on four elements Deejaying, emceeing, breaking, and graffiti art and it may indeed be in the heard of many leftists.
Not that I disagree with the content of your post, but why 'emcee'? 'MC' is an acronym, why spell it how it is pronounced? Is it a cultural development within the genre/scene?

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 10:11 PM
If a musician wants to get a point and a message across, rap is the the best way to do so.
Apart from learning how to play guitar, dressing up in a flowerpot suit and jitterbiggin the night away that is!

[Worker8]

Are any of the artisits mentioned here Apocalyptic Rap/Hip-Hop cause I really hate that stuff. Immortal Techinque is tight, except a few of his songs which are about killing you and shit.

[Hampton]

Not that I disagree with the content of your post, but why 'emcee'? 'MC' is an acronym, why spell it how it is pronounced? Is it a cultural development within the genre/scene?

It's either way.

[Kaze]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 08:59 PM
Some recommendations-

Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts, and Hip Hop

Showbiz and A.G - Runaway Slave

Lord Finesse & DJ Mike Smooth - Funky Technician

Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy

Big Pun - Capital Punishment

Big L - Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous

Biggie - Ready To Die

Nas - Illmatic, It Was Written & Stillmatic

Some lesser but still good hip hop is -

Immortal Technique

Dead Prez

R.A The Rugged Man

GZA - Liquid Swords

Wu Tang - 36 Chambers

ODB - Return To The 36 Chambers

I got Gravediggaz but wasn't really that impressed
yes, safe you know your stuff glad to see Big L on that run-down you did there. most under-appreciated artist ever.

[reddagger]

Really bad rhymes going on in there.

Someone sent me this link as a place to meet cats and discuss revolutionary music, but so far debates on Tupac ands lists of traditional capitalist hip hop recommended to each other is all I see. Oh and the discussion about Sun Ra and I being (white?) race traitors because we support dead prez "the cracker haters." This is what creating a revolutionary movement is about?

To the few of you talking and linking real political music. Fists in the air to you!
For my supportors, I am deeply indebted to you comrades, all I have ever asked for my toil, is support, a good word, and to spread the music. Love ya'll!

I take offensive to your words, I'm the only socialist on these lists and the only Marxist-Anarchist hip hop artist out there. What did you listen to that qualifies "bad rhymes?" You internet revolutionaries love to pass that quick judgment.

Who else has offered every song in their catalog for free?

Although, these MCs are my peers, I have my own arguments with each.

My man Mos is a movie star who changed his number.

Talib, Immortal Technique go out of there way to not be catagorized as political MCs. Which pisses me off....dead prez refused to do the Assata fundraiser without "airfare and stage payment."

Where is The Coup? Boots is dropping a new album, his two singles are bumpin'
Check for them. The Coup recently lost an Oakland based member to a home invasion, he was pistol whipped and murdered.

You want your hip hop--studio produced and professional AND you want your artists militant and political. AIN"T GOING DOWN.

You better pick what your looking for, homophobic, patriarchal, capitalists who slaughter MC's with glocks. OR underground activists who articulate through hip hop as method to reach youth and comrade, you can't have both, you can enjoy both as a music lover. But there is a war going on and you must pick a side. Get on the red train or remain insane...

"Your not underground unless your free" KRS-One

Some new ish:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...riendid=4962588 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=4962588)

Love and Solidarity
Z