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ReD_ReBeL
14th January 2006, 20:29
Support for Brown's 'Britishness Day'

Chancellor Gordon Brown's idea to set aside a day for celebrating all things British has been roundly welcomed.

He put forward the concept while addressing the left-of-centre Fabian Society thinktank in London and called for Labour supporters to "embrace the Union flag".

Mr Brown said Britain did not have the patriotic symbols of the US, such as the Fourth of July, the Declaration of Rights or the Stars and Stripes seen flying in gardens.

But he went on: "Perhaps Remembrance Day and Remembrance Sunday are the nearest we have come to a British Day - unifying, commemorative, dignified and an expression of British ideas of standing firm for the world in the name of liberty."

Labour's MP for North Swindon, Michael Wills, who advised the Chancellor on his speech, suggested that the Chancellor would like to see the creation of a Britishness Day along the lines of Independence Day in the US.

"If there is a set day in the calendar where people realise it has got a particular function in asserting our national identity together, collectively, all of us, wherever we come from, whatever our backgrounds, we together celebrate what binds us together, that is important," he said.

"The French have it with Bastille Day. The Americans have it. Most countries have a national day and I think it is probably time that we did too."

The idea met with approval from religious as well as tourist and cultural groups.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, said it would demonstrate the inclusive nature of British life.

"We would welcome such a recognition and celebration of Britishness which itself is of an inclusive nature," he said.

"It recognises the diversity of our communities in our country."

Sir Iqbal said it was important to remember that a sense of British identity was not a new phenomenon.

"Britishness is not something that has been invented in the last year or so. It has evolved over a period of time, recognising the mix of communities.

"There is a real sense of community values - trust, tolerance and respect - that is what community is about."

Elliott Frisby, from VisitBritain, said a national day to celebrate Britain would raise the country's profile at home and abroad.

"I think it would be good to have something that encourages people to appreciate their own country - people sometimes seem too keen to get away," he said.

"It is also important that we establish a British brand, especially in countries which are opening up, such as Poland, China and Russia.

"In China, they have quite an outdated image of Britain, of bowler hats and being rather stuffy.

"Having a Britishness Day would raise the profile of Britain to appeal to more and more people."

But he warned that the success of such a national celebration depended on public support.

"People have to believe in it. Many national days from overseas have a great deal of resonance over here, such as Bastille Day, Chinese New Year.

"Perhaps it is time we celebrated our own Britishness as well."

A spokeswoman from the British Council added her approval: "We welcome the idea of a British Day if it gives people in Britain the opportunity to celebrate the positive aspects of our culture and the diversity and vibrancy of Britain today."

There was a note of caution from Tory Shadow Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs, Oliver Heald, who said all parties should be involved in such a project.

He said: "Building a more inclusive British society is a good thing, and we welcome any efforts to do so. However, this process needs a subtle and well thought out approach based on a wide consensus.

"Gordon Brown is right to talk about strengthening our civic identity, but he shouldn't forget that New Labour has been responsible for changes that have damaged so many of Britain's institutions.

"Building Britishness should reflect the interests not of one party but of the whole country - let us hope we can have a new approach of co-operation and consensus from Labour on constitutional reform and what it means to be British."


Do you think this will alienate 'foreigners' who live in this country?

Do you think 'british day' will become an ugly 'american style' patriotism?

Does this not contradict the apparent 'multi-cultural' system?

commiecrusader
14th January 2006, 20:37
I think this idea is crap. It's guaranteed to be hijacked by the BNP and UKKKIP and other bigoted righties like them as an excuse for nationalist stupidity and racist displays. Who thinks of themselves as 'British' anyway??? The Empire doesn't exist anymore, thankfully, Wales, Scotland and Ireland have their own Parliaments, the idea of Great Britain, in itself, is redundant. There should be a 'multiculturalism' day, obviously with a more catchy name.

It makes me laugh when people say that 'Britishness' has always meant an acceptance of all cultures. I guess we did in a way... by enslaving them and accepting their enforced labour. :rolleyes:

Janus
14th January 2006, 20:40
Strong patriotism in any country alienates the foreigners who live in it. Those who support patriotism inevitably become chauvinists who are totally intolerant of other nations and cultures and unable to see the faults within their own countries. Yes, the British can claim to be multi-cultural like the US but what they really advocate is assimilation rather than amalgamation.

Why do the British even need a "Britishness" day? They have their archaic cultural icons in Buckingham Palace. How about we remember the British for their imperialistic policies?

bolshevik butcher
14th January 2006, 20:59
This is a pathetic attemt by Brown to lose his working class Labour roots, and to become more appealing to middle England.

Wanted Man
14th January 2006, 22:46
Boo, hiss.

Just what we need: more stuck-up English "gentlemen" priding themselves on their ancient customs and needlessly complicated dialect, old chap! I'd like to hear Scottish, Welsh and (northern) Irish comrades' opinions on some English fuck telling them to celebrate their culture.

bolshevik butcher
14th January 2006, 22:57
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Gordon Browns scottish!

ReD_ReBeL
14th January 2006, 23:00
i'm scottish and yes this celebration of 'british day' is very disapointing and will only end up alienating 'foreigners' and possibley create more racism.


Just what we need: more stuck-up English "gentlemen"

This is merely a stereotype, Posh English twats like prince charles and the like, make up a very small amount of Great Britain. To be truthful Britain is a very much working class country.

bolshevik butcher
14th January 2006, 23:04
I just think it's pathetic. I'm not proud to be British. And this is taken away the chance to remember all the working class people who died fighting facism. On the otherhand I'm not proud to be Scottish either.

CommunismForever
15th January 2006, 00:39
Being English myself I would be against it.
We dont need any of this stupid patriotism stuff or we will end up as bad as the Yanks or French(no offence intented)

I would however be in favor of a World People Day that celebrated solidarity, forgiveness, peace, Democracy and Tolerance. But I guess im a dreamer.

The Living Red
15th January 2006, 09:04
It's great that we on the far left can see sense through this madness, but - let's face it - this idea's going to be supported fairly widely, (yes, even by the working class).

People in this fucked-up country are going to come up with their usual nationalistic crap like 'Well, the Moslems have Divali, so why shouldn't we have a day?'

However, does anyone think that Brown will follow this plan through or will it fizzle out?

RedAnarchist
15th January 2006, 10:40
Diwali is Hindu, isn't it?

I think what we are seeing is is an attaempt to do what the Americans did after 9/11 - boost patriotism and nationalistic fervour. That way, the more naive become more supportive of the government, allowing the PM to bring in more dangerous laws which will threaten our civil liberties.

Cult of Reason
15th January 2006, 11:37
This is shite. We do not need another show of senseless patriotism, especially not one that is completely artificial. We have plenty of other days that are bad enough: November 5 (evil Catholics!), St. Georges Day (but thankfully few people actually care about that one, it seems) etc..

What about "Sponge your local MP" day? However it will never happen due to safety concerns: too many people will embed pebbles into the sponges.

fpeppett
15th January 2006, 12:01
This is stupid and ridiculous, how can you have 'British' day in one of the most multicultural countries in the world?


Its all part of a carefully moulded plan, to further alienate any immigrants in Britain.

visceroid
15th January 2006, 12:27
i wouldnt think much of it, it will probably end up like Australia day. one giant piss-up :D

RedAnarchist
15th January 2006, 12:31
Except that in Britain, that happens in town and city centres every weekend. :lol:

drain.you
15th January 2006, 14:57
Anothrt stupid idea to come out of the mouth of an MP, what a suprise.
Question: Is Brown coming at this because he is chancellor and it would aid our economy or is he coming at this to appeal to middle class voters for the next election, which he will probably be the leader of the Labour party for?

Nationalism = racism
How can a person be proud of their own country and accept others? People need to get rid of the us,them mentality and realise that we are all human and we all live side by side in this world.

American nationalism just disgusts me, saluting the flag and all that shit in the schools every morning. Its fucking sick and as a result they think they are the best, they actually believe they can 'bring freedom' to other countries because they feel they are above everyone else.

I swear this country is going more to the right everyday.

Alexknucklehead
15th January 2006, 15:38
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 14 2006, 09:15 PM
This is a pathetic attemt by Brown to lose his working class Labour roots, and to become more appealing to middle England.
Indeed, so now we're going to have St George's day and this? I wonder if it'll generate as much interest (or lack of) as the day we celebrate our great patriotic Turkish saint :D

RedAnarchist
15th January 2006, 15:49
Who most likely never existed anyway.

Cullmac
15th January 2006, 16:36
This is a bad idea, next thing you know we will be forced to celebrate European Union day. <_<

drain.you
15th January 2006, 16:39
I would prefer to celebrate a EU day than a british day. The EU is so much cooler, woooo lol.

bolshevik butcher
15th January 2006, 19:07
I&#39;d rather celebrate may day&#33; Or another day of international working class solidarity.

Conghaileach
15th January 2006, 22:12
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 12:16 AM
To be truthful Britain is a very much working class country.
Most countries are very much working class countries.

Conghaileach
15th January 2006, 22:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 11:56 AM
Diwali is Hindu, isn&#39;t it?
It is Hindu. And speaking of that Festival, since it fell on November 1st in 2005 there was a joint Diwali/Samhain celebration in Ardoyne. That&#39;s the way to go.

Amusing Scrotum
16th January 2006, 02:50
Originally posted by Matthijs+Jan 14 2006, 11:02 PM--> (Matthijs @ Jan 14 2006, 11:02 PM) I&#39;d like to hear Scottish, Welsh and (northern) Irish comrades&#39; opinions on some English fuck telling them to celebrate their culture. [/b]

Well to be honest, at least it&#39;s not a "Welsh Day", St. David&#39;s day is bad enough, can you imagine having to have another day where archaic Welsh folk songs are sung? :o

Looking at the positives of this rather daft idea, at least it would mean another "national holiday" and within a few years the novelty of a "British Day" would wear off and all we&#39;d be left with would be a Bank Holiday (read a chance to spend a day in the pub).


Clenched Fist
This is a pathetic attemt by Brown to lose his working class Labour roots, and to become more appealing to middle England.

That seems the only logical explanation for such a stupid idea.

Iroquois Xavier
17th January 2006, 09:46
What a brilliant idea...NOT&#33; Lets all celebrate what is great about Britain...Enslaved millions then patted itself on the back by "abolishing" it (only because it stopped making money&#33;) I mean its such a utopia being run by a jug eared closet tory, who happens to be the bastard lovechild of Maggie Thatcher&#33; :)