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WUOrevolt
14th January 2006, 18:29
SA gays in 'blood flood' protest
Mahlatse Gallens
BBC, Johannesburg



The blood service says it is following international guidelines
Gay activists in South Africa have vowed to "flood" the country's blood services with blood donated by gay men.

This follows an announcement by the South African National Blood Services that it would not accept donations from men who have sex with men.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance says its members would lie when asked the question: "Have you had male-to-male sex in the past five years?"

The Alliance claims members have already donated 120 units of blood.

It aims to flood the blood services with 70,000 units.

'Offensive'

Alliance spokesman Juan Uys describes the question as "humiliating, offensive and an insult to gay men". He says all blood should be treated equally.

He says the SANBS has already admitted that it uses state-of the art equipment that ensures rigorous screening of donated blood, and therefore they should accept the blood from men who sleep with other men and subject it to the tests.

Mr Uys said the question of risk of HIV infection was no reason to discriminate against gay men.

He says if people were discriminated against based on risk, then South African women between the ages of 18 and 24 should not be allowed to donate, as research shows that they are the group with the highest HIV infection rate in the country.

Presidential row

But the SANBS has described the Alliance campaign as "unfortunate".

Spokeswoman Lanthe Exall says screening procedures are based on World Health Organisation guidelines.

She urged the Alliance to reconsider its actions, which she said posed a risk to the lives of patients needing transfusions.

It is not clear what will happen to blood donated on Friday, as the SANBS will be unable to tell which blood came from Alliance members who lied.

Ms Exall says though they do have the best testing systems in place, no machine in the world can detect the HI virus during the "window period" that follows the transmission of HIV.

It is not the first time that the SANBS has been hit by controversy.

Last year it was forced to change its screening procedures when it was revealed that they destroyed blood donated by black people, because it claimed they were at a high risk of HIV infection.

It emerged that President Thabo Mbeki's blood was destroyed because he was black and because his doctor had refused to complete the personal history questionnaire used to screen donors.

Mr Mbeki donated blood as part of a publicity campaign to persuade people to donate blood.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4610196.stm

commiecrusader
15th January 2006, 14:21
That is absolutely disgusting. What the fuck do they think they are playing at? Many countries have a shortfall in levels of donated blood, and yet they destroy perfectly healthy blood because it came from a black person or a homosexual? I hope whoever came up with that idea dies from being unable to get a blood transfusion.

Sentinel
15th January 2006, 16:10
This makes my blood boil!

What is the ANC:s stance on this? You might think that they,with their first-hand experience and not too distant memories of what being prejudiced against feels like, after gaining power would have put an end to all discrimination in the country. Or was their fight against discrimination only against discrimination of straight black men?

This shows us clearly why revolutionary socialism is the only answer, when it comes to means of ending oppression. "One issue" groups are just plain reactionaries who think the job is done when they reach their personal goals.

This isn't just outrageous, it also seems pretty stupid:


Originally posted by SANBS Nazi Spokeswoman
no machine in the world can detect the HI virus during the "window period" that follows the transmission of HIV.

Why?? Because it propably isn't there. It hasn't yet spread in the body of the infected person. I'm no medical expert, but this seems logical to me.
The government of South Africa must act against these fascists immediately, or they'll lose every ounce of respect I ever had for them!

Reuben
15th January 2006, 16:18
Originally posted by The Sentinel+Jan 15 2006, 04:26 PM--> (The Sentinel @ Jan 15 2006, 04:26 PM)

SANBS Nazi Spokeswoman
no machine in the world can detect the HI virus during the "window period" that follows the transmission of HIV.

Why?? Because it propably isn't there. It hasn't yet spread in the body of the infected person. I'm no medical expert, but this seems logical to me.
The government of South Africa must act against these fascists immediately, or they'll lose every ounce of respect I ever had for them! [/b]
no it is there. HIV is detected not through the presence of HIV itself but the presence of anti-bodies which take some time to be produced

Sentinel
15th January 2006, 16:38
Ah! My bad then. But is the risk of contamination already as big as it gets?

Anyway, the window period isn't 5 years, right?. If it was, the question should read: Have you had any sex in five years?
HIV is very common in africa. It's ridiculous to assume that it's mainly spread by gays there. Or, not just ridiculous but outright homophobic and idiotic.

Conghaileach
15th January 2006, 22:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 07:45 PM
This follows an announcement by the South African National Blood Services that it would not accept donations from men who have sex with men.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance says its members would lie when asked the question: "Have you had male-to-male sex in the past five years?"
I might be wrong on this, but I think that the same rules apply in the UK and Ireland, and possibly in many other countries as well.

WUOrevolt
15th January 2006, 23:25
Originally posted by Conghaileach+Jan 16 2006, 02:50 AM--> (Conghaileach @ Jan 16 2006, 02:50 AM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 07:45 PM
This follows an announcement by the South African National Blood Services that it would not accept donations from men who have sex with men.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance says its members would lie when asked the question: "Have you had male-to-male sex in the past five years?"
I might be wrong on this, but I think that the same rules apply in the UK and Ireland, and possibly in many other countries as well. [/b]
I'm pretty sure you are right.

Reuben
16th January 2006, 14:58
Originally posted by The [email protected] 15 2006, 04:54 PM
Ah! My bad then. But is the risk of contamination already as big as it gets?

Anyway, the window period isn't 5 years, right?. If it was, the question should read: Have you had any sex in five years?
HIV is very common in africa. It's ridiculous to assume that it's mainly spread by gays there. Or, not just ridiculous but outright homophobic and idiotic.
5 years is excessive and im sure there is a hoophobic element. However the regulations als reflect the biological fact that - lal other factors being constant - transimission is far more likely through anal sex - characterstically done between men - than vagianl sex.

commiecrusader
16th January 2006, 15:07
Are you sure? Why is that? In the UK HIV is spreading faster through the hetero community than the gay community.

Sentinel
16th January 2006, 15:30
Yes that is correct. The mucuous membranes are thinner in the rectum.
This however does not mean that the risk would be particularly small in vaginal sex either.
And so, they have no reason to suspect gays more likely to carry the virus in a country where
HIV among the population is almost as common as male pattern baldness.

C_Rasmussen
16th January 2006, 22:20
Thats fuckin wrong. Seriously why are they tight on whether the blood of someone whos gay or not goes to a person who NEEDS the blood. If I were in that situation I wouldn't give a damn who I got my blood from just so it would come from someone.