Do you really have the right

[A Free Mind]

Well as athiests truthfully do you have the right to comment on god when in your view god should be a non issue as if he dose not exist why talk about him

[boosh logic]

Well I think we do because it is such a strong issue in the world today that affects billions of people.

[LSD]

Well as athiests truthfully do you have the right to comment on god

As people we "truthfully" have the "right" to comment on anything we damn well please.


when in your view god should be a non issue as if he dose not exist why talk about him

"Race" doesn't exist either, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it.

If "God" were a "non-issue" the world be a far better place, but we are clearly not there yet. And until we are, us atheists are going to keep on debunking the crap that the superstitious dogma-peddlers try to push.

If it makes you uncomfortable, you'd better go hide in the sand, 'cause we're not going anywhere ...and our numbers are growing.

[DisIllusion]

If "God" were a "non-issue" the world be a far better place, but we are clearly not there yet. And until we are, us atheists are going to keep on debunking the crap that the superstitious dogma-peddlers try to push.

Exactly, if preachers didn't continually try to push their biased opinions on us and the world's powers, then we wouldn't have to go against them.

[Publius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:14 PM



If it makes you uncomfortable, you'd better go hide in the sand, 'cause we're not going anywhere ...and our numbers are growing.

And we know where you live!

[Martyr]

And the communists never pushed their ideologies onto people never

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 05:52 PM
And the communists never pushed their ideologies onto people never
What if we did?

I've made many criticisms of 20th century Leninism, but "pushing their ideology" is not one of them.

They thought they were "right" and, compared to their adversaries, they had a point.

What I'm opposed to is the "pushing" of reactionary superstitions on people...as a matter of principle.

Whether one is a communist or a capitalist, there is no excuse for superstition.

And anyone who "pushes it" (any version) is just an enemy of civilization pure and simple.

End of story.

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[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 02:27 PM

If "God" were a "non-issue" the world be a far better place, but we are clearly not there yet. And until we are, us atheists are going to keep on debunking the crap that the superstitious dogma-peddlers try to push.

Exactly, if preachers didn't continually try to push their biased opinions on us and the world's powers, then we wouldn't have to go against them.
Damn right its the fucking evangelists thats making religion a bad fucking influence in America. Its not the idea of Christianity, its the fucking morons that think they can tell people what to do <_<.

[death88junkie]

If "God" were a "non-issue" the world be a far better place, but we are clearly not there yet. And until we are, us atheists are going to keep on debunking the crap that the superstitious dogma-peddlers try to push.

athiests cant prove God doesnt exist, they just cant prove he exists either. this does not mean theyre right, nor does that mean theyre wrong. its a matter of opinion - since people can question everything, including materialism, as some people do not believe things exist but only in their heads.

[LSD]

athiests cant prove God doesnt exist

We don&#39;t have to.

It&#39;s you who&#39;s making the positive conjecture, and so it&#39;s up to you to prove it.

Just as you are not obligated to prove that I am not really the reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte, so we are no required to prove that "Allah" is mythical.


its a matter of opinion

What a fucking useless statement.

Of course it&#39;s a matter of opinion; everything is a matter of opinoin.

The question is which opinion is right, and which opinoin is wrong. Which is logically consistant and supporting by the available evidence, and which is not.

I think you know the answer.

[Schwarzwald]

Which opinion is right, logically consistant, supporting by the available evidence? Islam.

[LSD]

:lol:

Really? "Supported by the evidence?

Alright, I&#39;ll bite, let&#39;s see some of that "evidence". :rolleyes:

[Schwarzwald]

The Holy City of Mecca.

[LSD]

:blink:

The city of Meca ...in Saudi Arabia ....is proof that "God" exists... :unsure:

Wow, you must be really high right now.

[Schwarzwald]

Not the city but what happens there, the hajj. You cant tell me that millions of people who are rich, poor, white, black, man, woman all around the world gather in Mecca once a year and carry out century old traditions for a superstition.

[RedAnarchist]

Humans made it an "holy" city, not god. I could call any old city "holy2 if it had enough connections to religious myth.

[LSD]

You cant tell me that millions of people who are rich, poor, white, black, man, woman all around the world gather in Mecca once a year and carry out century old traditions for a superstition.

Of course I can.

People have been engaging in pilgrames for millenia; long before the invention of "Islam".

If the hajj can be used as "proof" of Islam, then can pilgrimages to the Vatican be used as "proof" of Christianity? Can pilgrimeges to India be used as "proof" of Buddhism?

Fuck, can pilgrimeges to Graceland be used as "proof" for the First Church of Elvis? :lol:

[death88junkie]

my point was, no one can prove anyone wrong. it cant be proven. u believe what u wanna believe and that&#39;s what u believe in.

and i dont think 2million people would go to mecca and do a tradition theyve been doing for over a millenium just cuz its a tradition. i think it&#39;s something more than that.
and if u go to mecca, u even sometimes see birds flying around the ka&#39;aba, like humans do..

[RedAnarchist]

birds fly around lots of buildings - should they be considered holy?

[Schwarzwald]

One might ask the same about Lenin&#39;s tomb the way everyone should supposedly make a pilgrimage to it.

[LSD]

Exactly.

Just like the popularity of Lenin&#39;s tomb does not prove him to be "holy", neither does the popularity of Mecca.

You just defeated your own argument.

[Schwarzwald]

I was being sarcastic.

[Stormshield]

Lmao.

LSD, I sincerely hope you&#39;re joking (ot that I&#39;ve misinterpreted what you&#39;re writing). People DO these stuff out of tradition and religious "indoctrination", whatever you&#39;d call it.

[commiecrusader]

Atheists can criticise God as much as they want. Otherwise you, as a right wing fascist shouldn&#39;t be able to say anything about Communism, socialism, or anything left wing.

[red team]

If "God" were a "non-issue" the world be a far better place, but we are clearly not there yet. And until we are, us atheists are going to keep on debunking the crap that the superstitious dogma-peddlers try to push.

Exactly, if preachers didn&#39;t continually try to push their biased opinions on us and the world&#39;s powers, then we wouldn&#39;t have to go against them.

If the people that control the world and directly benefits from the way the world is controlled didn&#39;t make the world such a terrible place for the rest of us then people wouldn&#39;t need to go for the consolation prize.

But they can&#39;t.


Red Team

[boosh logic]

Hey there are like 3 threads arguing with Schwarzwald about religeon, so why dont we go back to the topic on hand and argue with him in one of the others?