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Ownthink
14th January 2006, 17:19
SHIP OF FOOLS
by Ted Kaczynski

Published by OFF! Magazine, a zine produced by students at SUNY Binghamton and edited by Tim La Pietra.

Once upon a time, the captain and the mates of a ship grew so vain of their seamanship, so full of hubris and so impressed with themselves, that they went mad. They turned the ship north and sailed until they met with icebergs and dangerous floes, and they kept sailing north into more and more perilous waters, solely in order to give themselves opportunities to perform ever-more-brilliant feats of seamanship.

As the ship reached higher and higher latitudes, the passengers and crew became increasingly uncomfortable. They began quarreling among themselves and complaining of the conditions under which they lived.

"Shiver me timbers," said an able seaman, "if this ain’t the worst voyage I’ve ever been on. The deck is slick with ice; when I’m on lookout the wind cuts through me jacket like a knife; every time I reef the foresail I blamed-near freeze me fingers; and all I get for it is a miserable five shillings a month!"

"You think you have it bad!" said a lady passenger. "I can’t sleep at night for the cold. Ladies on this ship don’t get as many blankets as the men. It isn’t fair!"

A Mexican sailor chimed in: "¡Chingado! I’m only getting half the wages of the Anglo seamen. We need plenty of food to keep us warm in this climate, and I’m not getting my share; the Anglos get more. And the worst of it is that the mates always give me orders in English instead of Spanish."

"I have more reason to complain than anybody," said an American Indian sailor. "If the palefaces hadn’t robbed me of my ancestral lands, I wouldn’t even be on this ship, here among the icebergs and arctic winds. I would just be paddling a canoe on a nice, placid lake. I deserve compensation. At the very least, the captain should let me run a crap game so that I can make some money."

The bosun spoke up: "Yesterday the first mate called me a ‘fruit’ just because I suck cocks. I have a right to suck cocks without being called names for it!"

It’s not only humans who are mistreated on this ship," interjected an animal-lover among the passengers, her voice quivering with indignation. "Why, last week I saw the second mate kick the ship’s dog twice!"

One of the passengers was a college professor. Wringing his hands he exclaimed,

"All this is just awful! It’s immoral! It’s racism, sexism, speciesism, homophobia, and exploitation of the working class! It’s discrimination! We must have social justice: Equal wages for the Mexican sailor, higher wages for all sailors, compensation for the Indian, equal blankets for the ladies, a guaranteed right to suck cocks, and no more kicking the dog!"

"Yes, yes!" shouted the passengers. "Aye-aye!" shouted the crew. "It’s discrimination! We have to demand our rights!"

The cabin boy cleared his throat.

"Ahem. You all have good reasons to complain. But it seems to me that what we really have to do is get this ship turned around and headed back south, because if we keep going north we’re sure to be wrecked sooner or later, and then your wages, your blankets, and your right to suck cocks won’t do you any good, because we’ll all drown."

But no one paid any attention to him, because he was only the cabin boy.

The captain and the mates, from their station on the poop deck, had been watching and listening. Now they smiled and winked at one another, and at a gesture from the captain the third mate came down from the poop deck, sauntered over to where the passengers and crew were gathered, and shouldered his way in amongst them. He put a very serious expression on his face and spoke thusly:

"We officers have to admit that some really inexcusable things have been happening on this ship. We hadn’t realized how bad the situation was until we heard your complaints. We are men of good will and want to do right by you. But – well – the captain is rather conservative and set in his ways, and may have to be prodded a bit before he’ll make any substantial changes. My personal opinion is that if you protest vigorously – but always peacefully and without violating any of the ship’s rules – you would shake the captain out of his inertia and force him to address the problems of which you so justly complain."

Having said this, the third mate headed back toward the poop deck. As he went, the passengers and crew called after him, "Moderate! Reformer! Goody-liberal! Captain’s stooge!" But they nevertheless did as he said. They gathered in a body before the poop deck, shouted insults at the officers, and demanded their rights: "I want higher wages and better working conditions," cried the able seaman. "Equal blankets for women," cried the lady passenger. "I want to receive my orders in Spanish," cried the Mexican sailor. "I want the right to run a crap game," cried the Indian sailor. "I don’t want to be called a fruit," cried the bosun. "No more kicking the dog," cried the animal lover. "Revolution now," cried the professor.

The captain and the mates huddled together and conferred for several minutes, winking, nodding and smiling at one another all the while. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and, with a great show of benevolence, announced that the able seaman’s wages would be raised to six shillings a month; the Mexican sailor’s wages would be raised to two-thirds the wages of an Anglo seaman, and the order to reef the foresail would be given in Spanish; lady passengers would receive one more blanket; the Indian sailor would be allowed to run a crap game on Saturday nights; the bosun wouldn’t be called a fruit as long as he kept his cocksucking strictly private; and the dog wouldn’t be kicked unless he did something really naughty, such as stealing food from the galley.

The passengers and crew celebrated these concessions as a great victory, but the next morning, they were again feeling dissatisfied.

"Six shillings a month is a pittance, and I still freeze me fingers when I reef the foresail," grumbled the able seaman. "I’m still not getting the same wages as the Anglos, or enough food for this climate," said the Mexican sailor. "We women still don’t have enough blankets to keep us warm," said the lady passenger. The other crewmen and passengers voiced similar complaints, and the professor egged them on.

When they were done, the cabin boy spoke up – louder this time so that the others could not easily ignore him:

"It’s really terrible that the dog gets kicked for stealing a bit of bread from the galley, and that women don’t have equal blankets, and that the able seaman gets his fingers frozen; and I don’t see why the bosun shouldn’t suck cocks if he wants to. But look how thick the icebergs are now, and how the wind blows harder and harder! We’ve got to turn this ship back toward the south, because if we keep going north we’ll be wrecked and drowned."

"Oh yes," said the bosun, "It’s just so awful that we keep heading north. But why should I have to keep cocksucking in the closet? Why should I be called a fruit? Ain’t I as good as everyone else?"

"Sailing north is terrible," said the lady passenger. "But don’t you see? That’s exactly why women need more blankets to keep them warm. I demand equal blankets for women now!"

"It’s quite true," said the professor, "that sailing to the north imposes great hardships on all of us. But changing course toward the south would be unrealistic. You can’t turn back the clock. We must find a mature way of dealing with the situation."

"Look," said the cabin boy, "If we let those four madmen up on the poop deck have their way, we’ll all be drowned. If we ever get the ship out of danger, then we can worry about working conditions, blankets for women, and the right to suck cocks. But first we’ve got to get this vessel turned around. If a few of us get together, make a plan, and show some courage, we can save ourselves. It wouldn’t take many of us – six or eight would do. We could charge the poop, chuck those lunatics overboard, and turn the ship to the south."

The professor elevated his nose and said sternly, "I don’t believe in violence. It’s immoral."

"It’s unethical ever to use violence," said the bosun.

"I’m terrified of violence," said the lady passenger.

The captain and the mates had been watching and listening all the while. At a signal from the captain, the third mate stepped down to the main deck. He went about among the passengers and crew, telling them that there were still many problems on the ship.

"We have made much progress," he said, "But much remains to be done. Working conditions for the able seaman are still hard, the Mexican still isn’t getting the same wages as the Anglos, the women still don’t have quite as many blankets as the men, the Indian’s Saturday-night crap game is a paltry compensation for his lost lands, it’s unfair to the bosun that he has to keep his cocksucking in the closet, and the dog still gets kicked at times.

"I think the captain needs to be prodded again. It would help if you all would put on another protest – as long as it remains nonviolent."

As the third mate walked back toward the stern, the passengers and the crew shouted insults after him, but they nevertheless did what he said and gathered in front of the poop deck for another protest. They ranted and raved and brandished their fists, and they even threw a rotten egg at the captain (which he skillfully dodged).

After hearing their complaints, the captain and the mates huddled for a conference, during which they winked and grinned broadly at one another. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and announced that the able seaman would be given gloves to keep his fingers warm, the Mexican sailor would receive wages equal to three-fourths the wages of an Anglo seaman, the women would receive yet another blanket, the Indian sailor could run a crap game on Saturday and Sunday nights, the bosun would be allowed to suck cocks publicly after dark, and no one could kick the dog without special permission from the captain.

The passengers and crew were ecstatic over this great revolutionary victory, but by the next morning they were again feeling dissatisfied and began grumbling about the same old hardships.

The cabin boy this time was getting angry.

"You damn fools!" he shouted. "Don’t you see what the captain and the mates are doing? They’re keeping you occupied with your trivial grievances about blankets and wages and the dog being kicked so that you won’t think about what is really wrong with this ship --– that it’s getting farther and farther to the north and we’re all going to be drowned. If just a few of you would come to your senses, get together, and charge the poop deck, we could turn this ship around and save ourselves. But all you do is whine about petty little issues like working conditions and crap games and the right to suck cocks."

The passengers and the crew were incensed.

"Petty!!" cried the Mexican, "Do you think it’s reasonable that I get only three-fourths the wages of an Anglo sailor? Is that petty?

"How can you call my grievance trivial? shouted the bosun. "Don’t you know how humiliating it is to be called a fruit?"

"Kicking the dog is not a ‘petty little issue!’" screamed the animal-lover. "It’s heartless, cruel, and brutal!"

"Alright then," answered the cabin boy. "These issues are not petty and trivial. Kicking the dog is cruel and brutal and it is humiliating to be called a fruit. But in comparison to our real problem – in comparison to the fact that the ship is still heading north – your grievances are petty and trivial, because if we don’t get this ship turned around soon, we’re all going to drown.

"Fascist!" said the professor.

"Counterrevolutionary!" said the lady passenger. And all of the passengers and crew chimed in one after another, calling the cabin boy a fascist and a counterrevolutionary. They pushed him away and went back to grumbling about wages, and about blankets for women, and about the right to suck cocks, and about how the dog was treated. The ship kept sailing north, and after a while it was crushed between two icebergs and everyone drowned.

© Ted Kaczynski, 1999

I think quite a bit of people here need to read this. What are your thoughts on it?

http://www.sacredfools.org/CrimeScene/Case...fFoolsStory.htm (http://www.sacredfools.org/CrimeScene/CaseFiles/S2/ShipOfFoolsStory.htm)

KC
14th January 2006, 17:32
I think nobody needs to read this because the guy was a fucking nutjob.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 17:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 12:43 PM
I think nobody needs to read this because the guy was a fucking nutjob.
I agree. But this is OI. Religion is a fucking "nut job". Still, it is debated in OI.

A Free Mind
14th January 2006, 17:45
Comrade this article describes the sitiuation in our world very well, Well done. I hope you post it far and wide as maybe others will read and see the truth.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 17:57
Originally posted by A Free [email protected] 14 2006, 12:56 PM
Comrade this article describes the sitiuation in our world very well, Well done. I hope you post it far and wide as maybe others will read and see the truth.
I wouldn't count on it. I would probably be banned and called a Fascist by people who advocate free thinking as long as it doesn't encroach upon their party line. Or they would react as Lazar did, saying it's all nonsense.

Still a great article, none the less.

ComradeOm
14th January 2006, 18:07
I like it. Call it a parable for our times :P

A Free Mind
14th January 2006, 18:08
[I would probably be banned and called a Fascist by people who advocate free thinking as long as it doesn't encroach upon their party line./QUOTE]

that is an example of what the article is talking about

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 18:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 01:18 PM
I like it. Call it a parable for our times :P
Would you still like it if you knew it was written by the Unabomber, who was against industrial society and thought that humanity was the scourge of the Earth? Oh yeah, he also hated Communists, he thought equality something for the weak that only leads to species stagnation.

And I am inclined to agree with him.

ComradeOm
14th January 2006, 19:41
What does it matter who it was written by? The basic premise of the piece, that a complete change in society is necessary, is still valid. Obviously Kaczynski had a very different idea of just what that change in society should be but I don't think that detracts from the moral of the story

LSD
14th January 2006, 20:14
And I am inclined to agree with him.

Are you indeed?

Consider yourself restricted.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 20:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 03:30 PM

And I am inclined to agree with him.

Are you indeed?

Consider yourself restricted.
Hahahah.... Wow.

Publius
14th January 2006, 21:27
He's a dumbass and a terrible writer.

You people actually think this is profound? If so, you're more deluded than I thought.

Its possibly the most banal piece of writing I've ever read.

Anyone with half of a functioning brain can see the latent stupidity in this piece, if they have any knowledge of the author's actual beliefs.

You can no more superimpose your beliefs on this trash and say it's worthwhile than you can replace 'Jesus' with 'Yeshua' in the Bible and say its a great book due to the revision.

BuyOurEverything
14th January 2006, 21:37
What in the hell does that have to do with our society? Unless you're trying to say that all progressive policies, leftism, anti-discrimination, and social progress are useless because the Earth is going to run into an iceburg and we're all going to drown...

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 21:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 04:53 PM
What in the hell does that have to do with our society? Unless you're trying to say that all progressive policies, leftism, anti-discrimination, and social progress are useless because the Earth is going to run into an iceburg and we're all going to drown...
No; Because the real source of the problems is not Capitalism, it is the industrial society in which we live.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 21:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 04:43 PM
He's a dumbass and a terrible writer.

You people actually think this is profound? If so, you're more deluded than I thought.

Its possibly the most banal piece of writing I've ever read.

Anyone with half of a functioning brain can see the latent stupidity in this piece, if they have any knowledge of the author's actual beliefs.

You can no more superimpose your beliefs on this trash and say it's worthwhile than you can replace 'Jesus' with 'Yeshua' in the Bible and say its a great book due to the revision.
Newsflash: Nobody gives a shit what you think. The style of writing is irrelevent you moron, it is the message that is sent, and this piece conveys that message in a clear, distinct way, so that even simplistic idiots like you can understand.

Apparently, it wasn't simple enough.

You're first against the wall for even thinking you actually know what you're talking about.

BuyOurEverything
14th January 2006, 22:06
No; Because the real source of the problems is not Capitalism, it is the industrial society in which we live.

Yay! Let's all return to the pre-industrial pastoral paradise of feudalist and slave modes of production! And we'll dance happily and carefree among the trees and laugh and play little ditties on our pipes with the elves and the treefolk!

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 22:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 05:22 PM

No; Because the real source of the problems is not Capitalism, it is the industrial society in which we live.

Yay! Let's all return to the pre-industrial pastoral paradise of feudalist and slave modes of production! And we'll dance happily and carefree among the trees and laugh and play little ditties on our pipes with the elves and the treefolk!
I love how your dumbass just swerves around the problem by posting inane bullshit that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Good job, dumbass. Now get up against the wall. Anyone got a blindfold?

Entrails Konfetti
14th January 2006, 22:40
I agree with BOE. Ownthink, you believe Feudalism was a great thing?

Are you serious?

BuyOurEverything
14th January 2006, 22:57
For someone so anti-technology, you sure are doing alot of posting on the internet.

Publius
14th January 2006, 23:04
No; Because the real source of the problems is not Capitalism, it is the industrial society in which we live.

And what problems do you speak of?

I think getting eaten by a lion is a problem. I think dying of dysentary before you reach 20 is a problem.

I think living in a pre-industrial society is the problem.

ComradeOm
14th January 2006, 23:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:43 PM
He's a dumbass and a terrible writer.

You people actually think this is profound? If so, you're more deluded than I thought.

Its possibly the most banal piece of writing I've ever read.
Profound? Hardly. Its a very simple illustration of capitalism and the futility of reformism. Its an anti-capitalist bedtime story.

I couldn't give a care about Kaczynski or his, frankly idiotic, beliefs.

BuyOurEverything
14th January 2006, 23:11
Its a very simple illustration of capitalism and the futility of reformism. Its an anti-capitalist bedtime story.

Hardly, it's more of an anti-progressive bedtime story.

Publius
14th January 2006, 23:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 10:03 PM





Newsflash: Nobody gives a shit what you think. The style of writing is irrelevent you moron, it is the message that is sent, and this piece conveys that message in a clear, distinct way, so that even simplistic idiots like you can understand.


What was the message, we're heading towards an iceberg?

How fucking profound.

Add in a smart-alek penguin who interludes the shoddy dialogue with asinine quips, remove the word 'cock' and you could sell this drivel as a childrens book. You'd make a ton.

Teach kids 'the evil of technology' (But not the evil of the printing press!).

Honestly, this is the worst allegory I've ever read.

But don't let me give the impression that I read the whole thing; I didn't.





You're first against the wall for even thinking you actually know what you're talking about.

Are you referencing Douglas Adams or Radiohead, or do you even know?

Publius
14th January 2006, 23:14
Profound? Hardly. Its a very simple illustration of capitalism and the futility of reformism. Its an anti-capitalist bedtime story.

It's not 'anti-capitalism', it's nihilism, poorly packaged.

ComradeOm
14th January 2006, 23:16
Originally posted by BOE
Hardly, it's more of an anti-progressive bedtime story.
I fail to see where the passage advocates going back to the stone age. The idea is that the current course (capitalism as I saw it) is leading us to disaster. How many here would disagree with that? Kaczynski obviously wrote this to forward primitivism but I don't see how it doesn't work equally well for communism.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 23:19
Kaczynski is anti Communist. Egalitarian societies fail and do not progress.

His point is (although not in this story), that work, by itself, sucks ass. Whether working for some rich ass industrialist (Capitalism) or working for the good of the Communist Society, industrial working sucks balls, and it always will.

Led Zeppelin
14th January 2006, 23:22
Egalitarian societies fail and do not progress.

Wow, you've dreamt about seeing a Communist society "at work"?

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 23:29
Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 14 2006, 06:38 PM

Egalitarian societies fail and do not progress.

Wow, you've dreamt about seeing a Communist society "at work"?
MINUTES SEEM LIKE DAYS
CORROSION FILLS THE SKY
MORBID DREAMS OF ANARCHY

No, I know that a society that literally thinks that millions of people will be rewarded the same no matter what their quality of work or output is, is totally fucking stupid.

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
14th January 2006, 23:35
Originally posted by Ownthink+Jan 15 2006, 12:45 AM--> (Ownthink @ Jan 15 2006, 12:45 AM)
Marxism-[email protected] 14 2006, 06:38 PM

Egalitarian societies fail and do not progress.

Wow, you've dreamt about seeing a Communist society "at work"?
MINUTES SEEM LIKE DAYS
CORROSION FILLS THE SKY
MORBID DREAMS OF ANARCHY

No, I know that a society that literally thinks that millions of people will be rewarded the same no matter what their quality of work or output is, is totally fucking stupid. [/b]
:huh:

Whoever advocates such a society?

Don't even think about saying "communists"...

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 23:44
Originally posted by RedFaction+Jan 14 2006, 06:51 PM--> (RedFaction @ Jan 14 2006, 06:51 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 12:45 AM

Marxism-[email protected] 14 2006, 06:38 PM

Egalitarian societies fail and do not progress.

Wow, you've dreamt about seeing a Communist society "at work"?
MINUTES SEEM LIKE DAYS
CORROSION FILLS THE SKY
MORBID DREAMS OF ANARCHY

No, I know that a society that literally thinks that millions of people will be rewarded the same no matter what their quality of work or output is, is totally fucking stupid.
:huh:

Whoever advocates such a society?

Don't even think about saying "communists"... [/b]
Communists.

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
14th January 2006, 23:49
Isn't this dramatic.. It'd make me cry if it wasn't so damn well funny at the same time.

Ownthink
14th January 2006, 23:58
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 07:05 PM
Isn't this dramatic.. It'd make me cry if it wasn't so damn well funny at the same time.
Can we have unprotected sex? LAWL? LAWL!

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
15th January 2006, 00:01
I can almost smell the cheap wodka trough my headphones..
So you're serious, huh?

Capitalist Lawyer
15th January 2006, 00:11
Did this guy forget to take his meds? Talk about a crazy commie with a bad case of verbal diarea.

Ownthink
15th January 2006, 00:16
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 14 2006, 07:27 PM
Did this guy forget to take his meds? Talk about a crazy commie with a bad case of verbal diarea.
I was restricted for being anti communist and the ban is in the process now. As it stands, it is 6 for ban, 7 for suspension.

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback
15th January 2006, 00:17
He's not a communist.

KC
15th January 2006, 04:39
He used to claim to be a communist, but he was really always just an asshole.

red team
15th January 2006, 06:43
Please read my threads at forum: Learning, Topic: Laziness at work.
I think this will clear up a lot of misconceptions.

Oh yes, I also think Unabomber Ted is a nutjob and his "theories" isn't worth serious discussion.


Red Team

Led Zeppelin
16th January 2006, 01:44
MINUTES SEEM LIKE DAYS
CORROSION FILLS THE SKY
MORBID DREAMS OF ANARCHY

No, I know that a society that literally thinks that millions of people will be rewarded the same no matter what their quality of work or output is, is totally fucking stupid.

You need to see a shrink or something, you're one fucked up person.

And as for you last comment, you obviously are an idiot, the wealth is being equalized and has been equalizing since the beginning of Capital, we Communists see this trend, and as we analyze history, we come to the conclusion that this will be completed in complete equality of wealth.

Delirium
16th January 2006, 02:11
Has anyone ever read 'Where Late the Sweet Bird Sang' by Kate Wilhelm? This whole thread reminds me of the book, especially what ownthink said.

Industrialization at any cost, is obvious idiocy just as advocating returning to the stone age is. We must be always aware of what our "progress" does to the earth and do our best to minimize it.

Led Zeppelin
16th January 2006, 02:13
Industrialization at any cost, is obvious idiocy

No it isn't, industrialization saves lifes, alot of lifes, it's idiocy to not industrialize, and yes I know that industrialization also fucks up the enviroment, but it is because of industrialization that we can find ways in the future to combat that and eventually overcome that problem.

Delirium
16th January 2006, 02:24
Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 16 2006, 02:29 AM

Industrialization at any cost, is obvious idiocy

No it isn't, industrialization saves lifes, alot of lifes, it's idiocy to not industrialize, and yes I know that industrialization also fucks up the enviroment, but it is because of industrialization that we can find ways in the future to combat that and eventually overcome that problem.
I have my reservations about the amount of time we have to fix this problem, before shit really hits the fan. I am simply advocating a cautious approach to industrialization and development rather than a myopic one.

BuyOurEverything
19th January 2006, 09:26
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists
protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke
police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be
effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but
because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist
trait.


Same dude