Michael Moore

[boosh logic]

Im interested to hear what everyone thinks of Michael Moore, as I am unsure:

On the one hand, he has opened a lot of eyes onto the corruption of the white house, particularly since the Iraq war, and has encouraged a lot of people to vote against Bush. He has also opened a lot of eyes about poverty and unfair laws that cause many problems in themselves.

On the other hand, his active outcry against Bush encouraged a lot more Republicans to vote. There is also the fact that he can be seen to be somewhat hypocritical, as those who he strongly criticises are who he has become. I have heard that in one of his first films, Roger and Me, he conned the two poorest people that he interviewed into signing a document making it so that they were not elligible for any money that the film made (they could not read), whilst he walked away a rich man.

What do you think of him?

[Fidel Follower]

Have you got any online acounts of that story, never heard that one myself. So it would help if you have a link...

[boosh logic]

No sorry I don't (Im assuming you mean about Roger and Me?), as it was on a documentary run by The Independant (a British paper).

But still, regardless of that, what are your views on his work?

[Fidel Follower]

Well i think that his head is defanatly on the right way. His opinons towards Bush are totally right! He has showed up countless facsist, i think he is taking a path that not many people have took before. And that path is helping other less aware citizens know about Amerika and the injustices caused by Bush :hammer:

[boosh logic]

I agree in that sense, but Im still about uncertain what I think of him as a person, what with the other information Ive heard about him. Also, he has been said to twist the truth (although guess which side of the spectrum said that), so although it has had good effects and opened a lot of eyes, the right seems to use him to their advantage, albeit not as effective as for the left.

[expatriot]

Michael Moore is a capitalist pig. He flies around in private jets and rides around in stretch limos. He is an Elitist Liberal of the worst degree and exploits the poor in his films which I think are spliced together in such a way that they can't be called documentaries. Many of the sets are staged (such as the scene in "Bowling for Columbine" where a bank is giving out guns).

He just cares about his own self-promotion and even lied about growing up in Flint. He grew up in Davison-a suburb of Flint.

His older movies are entertaining but I hated Fahrenheit 911. He didn't present anything new that we didn't already know about. He copied the title from a Ray Bradbury novel and should have been sued for plagerism.


That's my opinion of Michael Moore.

[ReD_ReBeL]

alot of his work is polished off fakery. i watched a documentary over here in the UK and it spots out the fake bits in his films. There is one part in Bowling for Columbine, where the NRA(national rifle association) spokesperson is making a speech , and he sticks two seperate talks into one bit of footage to make it sound like what he wants, you get what i mean? because while the spokesperson was speaking his Tie changed colour without going to a different speech lol. He's a fake.

[STI]

Michael Moore didn't make many people "aware of corruption in the White House". If you were to ask most people, they'd agree that the White House is corrupt with or without Moore. F9/11 was little more than a campaign video for the Democrats and Moore constantly lies to people about how the bourgeois electoral system can be used to create serious change.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I can see why, because of Moore's strong anti-Bush stance, a Socialist or Communist would be tempted to take his side, as we do agree on many issues. However, it must not be forgotten the Micheal Moore is not a Communist, or a Socialist, and he never will be. To be honest I haven't seen much of his works, although I admit that I do have Farenheit 9/11 on DVD (I don't see it as being hypocritical, the movie is quite humorous and sticks to topics on which I would agree with him) and I have seen Bowling for Columbine and read Dude, Where's my Country?

[Niemand]

Michael Moore is nothing more than a tool for the Republican party (it should be more properly called the fascist party due to their recent actions) to restrict our freedoms and spread the power of the ruling class while keeping the working class down.

In Bowling for Columbine he does make some good points about gun control but what he doesn't mention is the fact that if we let the ruling class disarm the Proletariat then all will be lost, we will have nothing to use to revolt against the ruling class.

[boosh logic]

Yeah I noticed that too actually about the changing ties how he stuck false points together. I wasn't sure about him that why I brought it up, but I think I'm going to have to agree with you guys. I guess one of the reasons I wasn't sure was because of his collaboration with RATM, like on one of their music videos, so I assumed he must be alright, but lately I've been hearing things like what you're saying so I was a bit skeptical.

[Fidel Follower]

wow i didnt know you all hated this lefty?

[More Fire for the People]

He makes interesting films and I support his exposure of White House and corporate corruption but in the end he is a social democrat. For our European comrades being a social democrat is not something that is shocking, but for an American it is mindblowing. As far as I know, he is America’s most prominent social democratic figure.

[JKP]

Moore is a fucking capitalist. He charges universities $50,000 for him to come and give a speech. He makes probably more from his book sales. He's just an apologist for the liberals and is at best, a bleeding heart member of the green party. In other words, a reformist.

If you were actually a communist or an anarchist you'd disagree with him on almost everything.

[JKP]

Originally posted by Diego [email protected] 14 2006, 11:10 AM
For our European comrades being a social democrat is not something that is shocking, but for an American it is mindblowing. As far as I know, he is America’s most prominent social democratic figure.
Hey, did you know that we're not social-democrats?

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by JKP+Jan 14 2006, 01:17 PM--> (JKP @ Jan 14 2006, 01:17 PM)
Diego [email protected] 14 2006, 11:10 AM
For our European comrades being a social democrat is not something that is shocking, but for an American it is mindblowing. As far as I know, he is America’s most prominent social democratic figure.
Hey, did you know that we're not social-democrats? [/b]
No fucking shit. In America, the popularization of social democracy means a growing trend of leftism unlike in Europe where social democracy is considered a norm. The more people who are "democratic leftists" it is likely that more people will become revolutionary leftists.

[VictoryOverWar]

love or hate him he is needed in the united states


His older movies are entertaining but I hated Fahrenheit 911. He didn't present anything new that we didn't already know about. He copied the title from a Ray Bradbury novel and should have been sued for plagerism


Yes this is true for many of us however the general american public is blind to these issues and Moore brought it to the public eye. Fights erupted in theaters between civilians and military members. Bush went down to a 20% APROVAL RATING. These are all direct effects of a film. Bottom line he is a capitalist pig but his kind is needed in the US

[Morpheus]

Michael Moore is a racist. See http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/gen...g_the_dots.html (http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/general_articles/connecting_the_dots.html) and http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/gen...ed_enemies.html (http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/general_articles/with_allies_like_these,_you_don_t_need_enemies.htm l)

[JKP]

Originally posted by Diego Armando+Jan 14 2006, 11:34 AM--> (Diego Armando @ Jan 14 2006, 11:34 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 01:17 PM

Diego [email protected] 14 2006, 11:10 AM
For our European comrades being a social democrat is not something that is shocking, but for an American it is mindblowing. As far as I know, he is America’s most prominent social democratic figure.
Hey, did you know that we're not social-democrats?
No fucking shit. In America, the popularization of social democracy means a growing trend of leftism unlike in Europe where social democracy is considered a norm. The more people who are "democratic leftists" it is likely that more people will become revolutionary leftists. [/b]
I think the history of reformism has shown that to not be the case.

To adopt reformism is an excuse to be AGAINST a revolutionary option.

Reform and revolution are two totally seperate paths; the reformist path does not merge with the revolutionary one.

[More Fire for the People]

Wow, good for me seeing as I did not adopt a position of reformism.

[STI]

I guess one of the reasons I wasn't sure was because of his collaboration with RATM, like on one of their music videos, so I assumed he must be alright, but lately I've been hearing things like what you're saying so I was a bit skeptical.

Well, look what RATM is doing now. <_<

Audioslave playing at Live 8, indeed&#33;


Yes this is true for many of us however the general american public is blind to these issues and Moore brought it to the public eye.

Most people aren&#39;t so stupid that they can&#39;t figure out that things are fucked up in Washington.


Bush went down to a 20% APROVAL RATING.

...And still won the election.

But there&#39;s no reason to think that such a low approval rating came about as a result exclusively of F9/11. It really wasn&#39;t all that good, after all.


Bottom line he is a capitalist pig but his kind is needed in the US

Not a chance. Serious revolutionaries who&#39;ll actually tell people the truth are what&#39;s needed.

[VictoryOverWar]

Most people aren&#39;t so stupid that they can&#39;t figure out that things are fucked up in Washington

your fucking joking right??? IF this was the case i think we would see alot more outrage in the united states then we are right now and we shure as fuck would not have Bush in office for a 2nd term. THE US IS FULL OF IGNORANT PEOPLE&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Alexknucklehead]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:52 PM
Michael Moore is a racist. See http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/gen...g_the_dots.html (http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/general_articles/connecting_the_dots.html) and http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/gen...ed_enemies.html (http://www.illegalvoices.org/knowledge/general_articles/with_allies_like_these,_you_don_t_need_enemies.htm l)
I don&#39;t think anything coming from the fuckwits at the &#39;Anarchist Peoples of Colour&#39; can be taken as relevant to anything. They are needlessly segregationist and seem to spend their time accusing anyone on the left they can of being a racist, they seem fully intent on segregating the left with their inflammatory bollocks and making the anarchist movement feel the liberal &#39;white guilt&#39; that they seem to think we should feel.

Michael Moore may be a capitalist liberal goodfornothing, but I should think hes probably about as racist as Winnie the Poo.

[Notaleftist]

I loved Rodger and Me, but now he just believes in gluttoney and excess. I heard he&#39;s protected by armed guards, the hypocryt.

[ItalianCommie]

I actually read Stupid White Men in english, and I can say Michael Moore is not a racist. He actually wants a BLACK PRESIDENT, so he isn&#39;t racist at all.

I basically think that that article on illegalvoices.org was mostly a load of crap.

He is a liberal capitalist pig though, which makes him a bit of a hypocrit.

[JKP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:47 AM
I actually read Stupid White Men in english, and I can say Michael Moore is not a racist. He actually wants a BLACK PRESIDENT, so he isn&#39;t racist at all.

I basically think that that article on illegalvoices.org was mostly a load of crap.

He is a liberal capitalist pig though, which makes him a bit of a hypocrit.
Only a bit?

[Comrade_Sephiroth]

I think Michael Moore is great for pointing out the deeper shit that the Republicans generate. Personally I find that he comes off as a bit too much of a "knee jerk leftist", but IRONICALLY, I think his basic ideology is not leftist enough.

You can be very radical without being an "extremist" in the rhetorical sense. I won&#39;t deny it, I want to see radical change in the way society is run. Very radical change. Very socialistic radical change. But I don&#39;t always agree with the way the radical left functions, and I certainly don&#39;t agree with every single factional issue, at least not in the "extremist" sense.

Basically, when it comes to abolishing hierarchy and oppressive, class-ridden economic structures, I am uncompromisingly radical and pledge my allegiance to the underdog. But in other conflicts where there is not a clear underdog, there is much more legitimacy to both sides (I&#39;m not going to defend the position of an elite trying to forcefully hold on to privilege, but if two groups of relatively equal power are in dispute, I find myself taking a much more moderate stance.)

Rather than using semi-desperate smear tactics to attack the Republicans and advance a liberal agenda, I think we should be using smart, respectful, but very argumentative tactics to actually attack the ideology of capitalism itself, and make the case for socialism.

[Axel1917]

He is a right-wing liberal, but he does seem good at digging up certain bits of information here and there. That is perhaps his only useful role. He largely just does his stuff to get big bucks.

[Xiao Banfa]

Fuck Michael Moore, he&#39;s an egotistical schmuck who eats pig shit.
He may be "radical" in America. But that wanker would be happy with Jimmy Carter. Fuck him. He is borgeois.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:40 AM


His older movies are entertaining but I hated Fahrenheit 911. He didn&#39;t present anything new that we didn&#39;t already know about. He copied the title from a Ray Bradbury novel and should have been sued for plagerism.



Umm, Bradbury&#39;s book was called Fahrenheit 451 not 911. I don&#39;t really see how thats plagerism.

[Janus]

Moved to Lit. and Films.

[Orange Juche]

He&#39;s a sellout democrap.