Rage Against The Machine

[death88junkie]

Eventho i dont know many communist bands.. i like RATM.. they have good music, and lyrics with a meaning and straight to the point..
i also like political punk, which is what i consider the REAL punk, cuz punk is all about revolution and rebelling against the establishments and corporations...
i like anti-flag, bad religion and that stuff.. but kinda a little bit like old punk stuff, like the sex pistols n stuff...
and i also like nu-metal, eventho its not political much... but ratm IS nu-metal :lol:

[Hegemonicretribution]

RATM is cooler than Nu Metal. Although I am more sentimental about them than a fan per-sa. To be honest, politically it isn't spectacular, but they are fun to listen to and play.

Actually my rather freak entry into politics and economics was through rage, after I played in a band that did a few covers. Killing in the Name is still one of the most fun songs to play live, and is still the only song I ever got to sing solo in. :D

[which doctor]

Is it just me or do we have a new thread on RATM every week?

Pretty good band though.

[Purple]

I would say they are worthy! The only political band with a strong message in the mainstream!

[death88junkie]

speaking of political bands in the mainstream..
do u guys know any political bands tht r LESS mainstream with good meanings to their music... i know a couple but not much.. plz enlighten me since i always wanna get to know more bands :wub:

[death88junkie]

I coudn't help but notice ur signature Purple... do u believe in God?!

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 11:46 PM
I would say they are worthy! The only political band with a strong message in the mainstream!
Thats shit, there are lots of main stream bands and artists with a political message, and usually much better bands.

[The Living Red]

Anyone know much about the Redskins? They're a socialist band.

[visceroid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 11:45 AM
I coudn't help but notice ur signature Purple... do u believe in God?!
i dont think he does, i dont think he is a fan of george W. bush either

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 12 2006, 07:21 PM
Is it just me or do we have a new thread on RATM every week?
Yeah

It's very annoying...

We should do a sticky called "The RATM Thread (For rebel kids who never heard anything else and are annoy with this threads)"

Dunno if that would fit though :lol:

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I don't wanna sound like a music snob, but Rage Against The Machine are hardly clever, artistic songwriters. I mean, I've no problem with what they're doing in using the medium of music as a tool to express a political opinion. This is, of course, one of the definitions of any artform. But as far as songwriting goes, it's not very creative.

I mean, nobody sits there listening to RATM thinking, "Hmmmm, what do they mean when they scream, 'FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT THEY TELL ME' over and over again".

See my thread on The Strokes for what I consider more creative, artistic songwriting. If anyone is interested and doesn't have The Strokes album, I suggest downloading a track called "Ize of the World". It is just as much a political protest song as anything else. Or, more so maybe, a tirade against the ills of the modern world: something I see as more of a problem than political incompetence. Or, indeed, the cause of political imcopmetence. The lyrcis are sharp, clever and very powerful.

[Stormshield]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 10:51 PM
I would say they are worthy! The only political band with a strong message in the mainstream!
How about System of a Down then...? :huh:

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Or Britney Spears :unsure:

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

hahaha. Equal in terms of musical quality I'd suggest.

[C_Rasmussen]

I personally dont like them too much as they WAY too repetitive. Their leads are good however.

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 15 2006, 06:42 PM
I don't wanna sound like a music snob, but Rage Against The Machine are hardly clever, artistic songwriters. I mean, I've no problem with what they're doing in using the medium of music as a tool to express a political opinion. This is, of course, one of the definitions of any artform. But as far as songwriting goes, it's not very creative.
Meh, you're entitled to an opinion, it's just gonna be one most of us here disagree with :P

Personally, I love Rage.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Hey, I know that on a site called "Revolutionary Left", most people will disagree with that! They have great value though. Don't want anyone to gt me wrong.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 15 2006, 05:30 PM


We should do a sticky called "The RATM Thread (For rebel kids who never heard anything else and are annoy with this threads)"


its not the leftists that dont know any other leftist band that annoy me. its people who comletely ignore their political merit. theyve become a bandwagonm, theyre the che of music. it almost makes me ashamed to listen to them and wear a che t when noone has a clue about either of them! asshats!
ps who here likes rise against.

[Angry Young Man]

the band wagon is heavy metal, btw, and that hardly has the most intelligent or political demographic. for example, while strummer was singing about london burning, vince neil was singing about getting laid and taking zombie dust!

[Kittie Rose]

I don't think Rage were ever communist. I'm pretty sure they were socialist.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

And let the definitions debate begin....

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 20 2006, 05:26 PM
And let the definitions debate begin....
Exactly *permanently abandons thread...*

[fernando]

RATM rule! I mean some of you might not like them or will start the whole political debate on them, but do note that they made a major impact on rock music for this generation of rock bands.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Noted.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Kittie [email protected] 20 2006, 05:18 PM
I don't think Rage were ever communist. I'm pretty sure they were socialist.
More Anarchist than anything.

[Rockfan]

Yeah deffernatlly more Anarchist although I'ed say Tom is (was??) a Leninist. I agree we should just sticky an RATM thread, surely you'ed think that if you came to a site called REVOLUTIONARY LEFT there would already have been numorus threads on RATM?!?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Jan 21 2006, 07:31 PM--> (Additives Free @ Jan 21 2006, 07:31 PM)
Kittie [email protected] 20 2006, 05:18 PM
I don't think Rage were ever communist. I'm pretty sure they were socialist.
More Anarchist than anything. [/b]
More like boring mainstream rubbish than anything while much better bands never became recognised.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Hey, I was trying to be diplomatic about them to avoid a backlash! But I appreciate your approach!

[Rockfan]

Whats the point in being diplimatic, any backlash is stupid, the music you like is your opinion and you can't change what other people think of artists, some people here need to learn that.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 06:22 AM
Whats the point in being diplimatic, any backlash is stupid, the music you like is your opinion and you can't change what other people think of artists, some people here need to learn that.
But of course, however change alters as you get older. Teenagers love bands like RATM, but they also love rubbish like slipknot, when you het older you start listening to your mum or dads records and realise that ELO, 10CC, David Bowie and the Smiths are better than Rage will ever be, and they aren't even as good as what you later listen to.

Kids have shit taste in music.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 05:22 AM
Whats the point in being diplimatic, any backlash is stupid, the music you like is your opinion and you can't change what other people think of artists, some people here need to learn that.
Calm down. I was being diplomatic because I couldn't be bothered arguing why artists such as The Strokes, The Libertines, The Clash, The Stones, The Stone Roses, Bowie, The Smiths, Hendrix, Dylan etc etc etc are all far better than RATM.

It for the exact reason you gave for why I SHOULDNT be diplomatic that I WAS diplomatic. They wont change their opinion. Untill, maybe, as Enigma suggests, they get older.

To me, as Enigma said, young people on the whole have shit taste in music. But that's because theyre young. Hey, I'm not old, only 20, but from the age of about 16-20, you tend to see the light in music terms.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

you can't change what other people think of artists, some people here need to learn that.

And I'm not sure that's entirely true. I've had my eyes opened up to a number of amazing artists who I didn't pay much liking to untill I listened closer.

[Rockfan]

My perents records suck, INXS and stuff. I think I have a wide range in taste for a 15 year old, from rage to the mars volta (one of my favs at the moment), led zep and tool, nirvana and the clash. But I do see what you mean, most people my age to just stick to what they like, I still don't think you should slam other peoples tastes.

[hemybel]

the Rage Against The Machine version of the Philippines is:

Radio Active Sago Project (RASP)

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is there any rage-against-the-machine- like new band today? you know... they disband right??? no one can match the rage

[vox_populi]

I read that Nicholas Cage likes to sing RATM songs...I haven't listened to them since ;)

[Tormented by Treachery]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 11:59 AM
But of course, however change alters as you get older. Teenagers love bands like RATM, but they also love rubbish like slipknot, when you het older you start listening to your mum or dads records and realise that ELO, 10CC, David Bowie and the Smiths are better than Rage will ever be, and they aren't even as good as what you later listen to.

Kids have shit taste in music.
Stereotyping, Enigma style. Thank you for that. Especially as a teenager who listens to Pink Floyd, Led Zep, the Stones, the Beatles, and yes, RATM. Always good to lead by example, openmindedness and intelligence, show us ignorant kids how it's done, Enigma.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Enigma+Jan 23 2006, 12:59 PM--> (Enigma @ Jan 23 2006, 12:59 PM)
[email protected] 23 2006, 06:22 AM
Whats the point in being diplimatic, any backlash is stupid, the music you like is your opinion and you can't change what other people think of artists, some people here need to learn that.
But of course, however change alters as you get older. Teenagers love bands like RATM, but they also love rubbish like slipknot, when you het older you start listening to your mum or dads records and realise that ELO, 10CC, David Bowie and the Smiths are better than Rage will ever be, and they aren't even as good as what you later listen to.

Kids have shit taste in music. [/b]
What nonsense. I like Morissey, The Police, The Who, The Beatles and so on as much as I like Manu Chao, Gorillaz and Daft Punk. And I also like Rammstein. What's your point?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Tormented by Treachery+Jan 28 2006, 10:55 PM--> (Tormented by Treachery @ Jan 28 2006, 10:55 PM)
[email protected] 23 2006, 11:59 AM
But of course, however change alters as you get older. Teenagers love bands like RATM, but they also love rubbish like slipknot, when you het older you start listening to your mum or dads records and realise that ELO, 10CC, David Bowie and the Smiths are better than Rage will ever be, and they aren't even as good as what you later listen to.

Kids have shit taste in music.
Stereotyping, Enigma style. Thank you for that. Especially as a teenager who listens to Pink Floyd, Led Zep, the Stones, the Beatles, and yes, RATM. Always good to lead by example, openmindedness and intelligence, show us ignorant kids how it's done, Enigma. [/b]
Stereotyping? Not at all, I was 11-16 once as well. I know what I listened too and what my peers listened to. I also noted my own tastes change and those of the people around me. Its a fact of life, taste changes, and invariably becomes far more refined.


Especially as a teenager who listens to Pink Floyd, Led Zep, the Stones, the Beatles, and yes, RATM.

I was listening to that stuff when i was an early teenager as well, but from that my tastes expanded. Thats life, you listen to Pink Floyd, then you get into similar less commercial less well known music of the same genre.


openmindedness and intelligence, show us ignorant kids how it's done,

Openmindedness is overrated and lacking intelligence is what annoys me about rage.


What's your point?

If I need to explain it again, then you obviously weren't paying attention the first time, re-read.

Oh and Morrissey without Marr is crap.

[Tormented by Treachery]

Heil Enigma, the all-knowing power, who knows the truth, once and for all, about what is good and what is &#39;crap.&#39; Blessed be he who can ask Enigma if his band is intelligent enough for the Holy Enigma&#39;s blessing&#33; <_<

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

BAH another RATM post .. what else is there to be said :ph34r:

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Tormented by [email protected] 31 2006, 12:29 AM
Heil Enigma, the all-knowing power, who knows the truth, once and for all, about what is good and what is &#39;crap.&#39; Blessed be he who can ask Enigma if his band is intelligent enough for the Holy Enigma&#39;s blessing&#33; <_<
And I :wub: u 2&#33;

[Rage]

Enigma- I love RAtM but I have yet in my life to enjoy Slipknot. I am convinced that they are shit and along with most "NuMetal" bands.

I love old school stuff, mainly hip-hop and folk, its not like I Just listen to RAtM.

Also I know 1 person my age who had heard of Rage before I told him about it, so not all angry teenagers listen to it.


/,,/
Rock on&#33;

[The Grey Blur]

So disliking Slipknot is a qualification for Enigma&#39;s "my taste is better than your taste" club?

Thank fuck I&#39;m not in it then :lol:

[Hate Is Art]

What? I think Enigma has an incredibly valid point.

As you get older your taste in music will invariably change, you will gain new influences in your life and find new music you&#39;ll like. You&#39;ll spend the years 16-20 trying to pretend you never liked the music you did when you were younger.

Everyone has a rage phase, a nirvana phase, a clash phase etc You&#39;ll grow out of it, don&#39;t worry.

xx

[cbm989]

^im pretty attatched to rage because they, like tons of other people, introduced me to the far left. and ive come a long way from when i first heard guerrilla radio. i owe them so much. i love that band

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 8 2006, 09:16 AM
So disliking Slipknot is a qualification for Enigma&#39;s "my taste is better than your taste" club?

Thank fuck I&#39;m not in it then :lol:
Hahaha your like the embodyment of everything Enigma hates :lol: .

[Tormented by Treachery]

I don&#39;t really care what Enigma thinks though, because anyone arrogant enough to say that they know better because they&#39;re older, and that their opinion is somehow more &#39;right&#39; than yours, well, Hell, that&#39;s one step from saying that their religion is the &#39;right&#39; one.