Luxemburgism

[CCCPneubauten]

Luxemburgism...any thoughts, views, comments?

As for me...I think I have found a name for my views...stick with Marx but not Lenin or any of that "stuff". I would like to know more, any introductions to her views?

Thanks comrades.

[Zingu]

Tah Dah (http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/index.htm)

Something else that will be of interest (http://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/index.htm)


I think many people would like it to be referred to as 'Council Communism', rather off a peron's name.

[Lamanov]

There's no such thing as "Luxemburgism".

She's one of the pioneers of Left/Council Communism, together with Karl Liebknecht and Anton Pannekoek.


Originally posted by CCCPneubauten
...stick with Marx but not Lenin...

As you know, 2nd International was devastated for its official opportunism, "evolutionism" and pacifism.

3rd International, which grew out on its ruins, was divided right from the start into 2 fractions: Bolshevik wing and the Left wing.

Left wing is the side which "sticks with Marx but not Lenin". If Luxemburg was alive few years forward she'd be a part of this fraction.

Out of it grew the whole Marxian "libertarian communist" spectre (Ultra-Left, Councilist, Autonomist), from Gorter, Rühle, Mattick, all the way to Negri and Debord.

[CCCPneubauten]

So it doesn't go against Marx?

I figured since everything was decentral it would.

Or am I mistaken about what Marx ment by central governments?

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by CCCPneub[email protected] 11 2006, 08:20 PM
Or am I mistaken about what Marx ment by central governments?
Well, Marx was never quite clear on the matter, at least from our modern perspective.

I figure that Marx's "centralization" has to be consistant with all other elements of scientific socialism, including the fact that Marx sought the DOP to be a clear working class product.

Idea of "class vanguard" was unfamilliar. It was Lenin who brough it to life! Any doctrine of cetralized dictatorship was a Blanquist "heresy", to which Marx was against.

Besides, you have to understand that Marx lived in 19th ct, when all of world's economy and market were undergoing a process of "progressive globalization", if we could call it that, using modern day language.

So, no, it does not "go against Marx". On the contrary: it updates it.

[CCCPneubauten]

So, this would be an antithesis, with Marx's thesis, we formulate a synthesis?

Sorry, I am just really learning Marxism...and loving it.

[jaycee]

i call myself a left communist, i support luxemburgs theory of over production, that capitalism once it became global had a tendency towards a crisis of a lack of markets because of the fact that the workers as a class cannot buy back what they produce and the capitalists cannot as they need to make a profit. this could be solved when capitalism could still expand to pre capitalist markets but as these markets were running out capitalism was trapped in an almost unending crisis. The answer then became imperialism in its modern sense and in particular the cycle of crisis, world war and reconstruction. However even though luxemburg criticised lenin she always considered the Bolsheviks as real revolutionarys and she was not in opposition to them.

[CCCPneubauten]

DJ-TC, what would YOU say Marx ment by centralization?

[tarendol]

You can read this one : Communist Democracy (Luxemburgist) (http://democom.neuf.fr/communistdemocracy.htm)
(there's more in french (http://democom.neuf.fr/)).

[LUXEMBURGUISTA]

In this forum (in "THEORY") I have posted yesterday a topic with another text from Communist Democracy (Luxemburgist) in english. In this text, you can read some informations about Luxemburgism. If you can read french os spanish, DC-L have other texts.
You can read texts from Rosa Luxemburg in the Marxist Internet Archive (in many languages). You should read "Organizational Questions of the Russian Social Democracy" and "The Russian Revolution" for the differences between R.L. and Lenin. They have visions of socialism totally opposite.
You should read too the two best books (probably) of R.L. These books are:
"The Mass Strike" and "Reform or Revolution".
The ideas of R.L. and another luxemburgists have been hushed up by bolsheviks.
SALUD