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CommunismForever
7th January 2006, 22:56
Hi Comrades,

What was Che Guevara's opinion of Juan Domingo Perons rule in Argentina? Che grew up in Argentina during the Peronist rule-which has been characterised by some historians as being pro-working class.
Did he admire his achievements or did he see Peron as an overbearing Dictator?

ReD_ReBeL
7th January 2006, 23:32
"Che Guevara took part in riots against Juan Perón in Argentina in 1952."

I think that answers your question lol. Also i know that in Argentina under Peron Argentina became a hotbed for Nazi's and NAzi sympathizers

Severian
8th January 2006, 02:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 05:43 PM
"Che Guevara took part in riots against Juan Perón in Argentina in 1952."

I think that answers your question lol.
That according to a rather amateurish website, Guevara took part in some anti-Peron actions when he was 24? I think that doesn't answer anything at all.

Most biographies say that Guevara was little involved in politics in Argentina, and can give no clear picture of his views at that time.

He said and wrote little about Peron later, either. Peron doesn't appear in the index of a large collection of Guevara's speeches and writings I have.

Guevara did work with some Peronists and people coming out of a Peronist background to start guerilla groups. The best known of these people was Jorge Massetti, who Che and the Cuban government helped to start an unsuccessful guerilla group in Argentina.


Also i know that in Argentina under Peron Argentina became a hotbed for Nazi's and NAzi sympathizers

That might be true, but they more likely supported the coup which overthrew Peron.

Any comparison between Peronism and Naziism is dead wrong. The Nazis completely crushed the working-class movement; Peron placated the workers in order to win their support for his bourgeois nationalist project of achieving economic independence from imperialism.

ReD_ReBeL
8th January 2006, 03:09
Peron placated the workers in order to win their support
Yes. "Perón pursued social policies aimed at empowering the working class. He greatly expanded the number of unionized workers, and helped establish the powerful General Confederation of Labour (CGT). He called this the "third position", between capitalism and communism"



[/QUOTE]Any comparison between Peronism and Naziism is dead wrong.[QUOTE]
"Argentina, alongside with other South American countries, became a leading haven for Nazi war criminals. Many people believe this was done with Perón's approval, citing as evidence the fact that Licio Gelli, grandmaster of the P2 Masonic Lodge, has claimed to be a friend of Perón. This was never confirmed."
AS you see there friendship was never actualy proved.

Hopes_Guevara
8th January 2006, 12:26
Originally posted by "Severian"
Most biographies say that Guevara was little involved in politics in Argentina, and can give no clear picture of his views at that time.
I think so too. Che didn't possibly care about Argentinian politic but paid special attention to Spain where his uncle was fight as a journalist against dictatorship.

Or Peron's Government was too "naive and simple" for Che. Perhaps Che didn't believe in the path Peron took and Peron really didn't make impact on him.

Don't Change Your Name
8th January 2006, 21:25
Well iirc el Che wrote a letter to his parents after the coup which took Peron out in which he said something like that he didn't care about Peron that much but that now things were going to get worse for the workers because of the benefits they got from his government.

Concerning the nazis, well, Peron was influenced by Mussolini who he considered a "great man" of sorts and after the coup he went to Paraguay first, then to Spain.

His last government created an anti-communist organization of sorts, by the way.

And, well, I don't know enough to say whether he helped nazis or so.

Janus
9th January 2006, 00:04
I don't think that Che was very much involved in Argentinian poitics at this point. Neither had he embraced communism at this point either. I remember that he did try to ask Mrs. Peron for a jeep once.

LuĂ­s Henrique
9th January 2006, 17:12
The Real Odessa (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1862075816/002-5177223-1373659?v=glance&n=283155), by Uki Gońi. An indepth study on the connections between Perón's government, the Vatican, and the smuggling of Nazis (including Ustashis, Rexists, etc.) of varying importance from Europe to Argentina.

Luís Henrique

Janus
10th January 2006, 04:08
Because of that book, the US House of Rep. passed a resolution urging Argentina to release its secret Nazi records. 2 of these files, the Croatian dossier and Jan Lecomte dossier were opened in July 2003. However, many still remain closed such as those concerning Eichmann and Mengele while others were incinerated.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
May 14, 2003
Mr. HINCHEY (for himself, Mr. ACKERMAN, Mr. BELL, Ms. CARSON of Indiana, Mr. CASE, Mr. DEUTSCH, Mr. DOYLE, Mr. FILNER, Mr. FROST, Mr. GONZALEZ, Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. HONDA, Mr. ISRAEL, Mrs. MALONEY, Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. NADLER, Mr. RODRIGUEZ, Mr. SHAYS, Mrs. TAUSCHER, Ms. WATSON, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. WEXLER, and Mr. WYNN) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations

RESOLUTION

Urging the Government of Argentina to build upon the steps it has taken to shed light on the relocation to Argentina of Nazis and other war criminals following the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945 and the subsequent end of World War II and release all official records pertaining to the relocation to Argentina of Nazis and other war criminals following these events.

Whereas Nazis and other war criminals seeking to avoid prosecution for their role in the Holocaust, one of the most horrific crimes ever witnessed by human kind, were permitted to relocate to Argentina following the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945 and the subsequent end of World War II;

Whereas some of the most notorious criminals of the Holocaust resided in Argentina, including Adolf Eichmann, Edward Roschmann, Erich Priebke, Kurt Christmann, and Ante Pavelic;

Whereas Argentina, as a member of the Task Force for International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance, and Research, has agreed on the importance of encouraging all archives, both public and private, to make their holdings on the Holocaust more widely accessible;

Whereas Argentina, as a member of the Task Force for International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance, and Research, has committed to the Declaration of the Stockholm International Forum on the Holocaust and therefore agreed to 'throw light on the still obscured shadows of the Holocaust' and committed to 'take all necessary steps to facilitate the opening of archives in order to ensure that all documents bearing on the Holocaust are available to researchers';

Whereas in 1997 Argentina created the Commission of Inquiry into the Activities of Nazism in Argentina to identify Nazis who settled in the country, determine if Nazi loot had arrived in Argentina, and evaluate the impact of Nazism on Argentine society;

Whereas in addition to the Commission of Inquiry into the Activities of Nazism, more work needs to be done by the Government of Argentina to fulfill its international commitments and shed light on the relocation of Nazis and other war criminals following the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945 and the subsequent end of World War II because much remains unknown about this period;

Whereas the New York Times reported on March 9, 2003, that the Government of Argentina is resisting calls to make public official records regarding collaborative efforts to relocate Nazis and other war criminals to Argentina;

Whereas Argentina has not responded to requests from numerous researchers for access to Argentina's archives on the relocation of Nazis and other war criminals;

Whereas the release of all records regarding the relocation of Nazis and other war criminals to Argentina is necessary to form a full understanding of the aftermath of the Holocaust and to ensure that future attempts by war criminals to avoid prosecution are thwarted;

Whereas the release of such records in no way indicts the present Government of Argentina in the relocation of Nazis and other war criminals; and

Whereas the release of such records by the Government of Argentina will be viewed as an important and positive gesture to all people who seek an accurate accounting of history: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the Government of Argentina should--

(1) build upon the steps it has taken to shed light on the relocation to Argentina of Nazis and other war criminals following the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945 and the subsequent end of World War II; and

(2) make public all of Argentina's official records pertaining to the relocation to Argentina of Nazis and other war criminals.

END