what are chvez's views on che?

[cccpcommie]

what are chvez's views on che?..does he like him?...even morales from bolivia..are they fond of che?? :unsure:

[Reds]

He said he wanted a guevaraist government.

[fernando]

great, especially since guevara's economic policies failed IIRC.

[ComradeOm]

The exploitation of Che's image doesn't end with T-shirts. All sorts of leftist politicians have made use of him.

[fernando]

But Che has become the symbol of the revolution...how is that exploitation? It would be the same to say that Marx and Engels are being exploited when giant pictures of them are posted to honour a "communist" revolution...

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 05:14 PM
But Che has become the symbol of the revolution...how is that exploitation? It would be the same to say that Marx and Engels are being exploited when giant pictures of them are posted to honour a "communist" revolution...
So you believe that capitalists are not exploiting Che's image? That there are no companies making money off a dead hero? Today Che's legacy as a revolutionary is almost forgotten to the majority of people - he's just "that guy on all the shirts"

[fernando]

I havent said that...I suggest re reading the post you made earlier and my post.


The exploitation of Che's image doesn't end with T-shirts. All sorts of leftist politicians have made use of him.
The exploitation doesnt end with T-shirts, leftists made use of him as well. This suggests that you claim that they too have exploited Che' image.

In no way am I saying that companies are not making money on Che's picture, of course they are doing so.

And Che's legacy isnt forgotten, perhaps in Europe or in the US, where he never really had any role what so ever, but go to Latin America and he is still compared to a Saint by many!

Besides...Che himself never wanted to be the face of the revolution, heck he never wanted there to be a face for the revolution in any way! The revolutionary was an ordinary person of the masses, not some holy figure!

[ComradeOm]

My mistake, I misunderstood your last post. I thought you were questioning whether Che’s image was being exploited at all, rather than questioning its political exploitation.


And Che's legacy isnt forgotten, perhaps in Europe or in the US, where he never really had any role what so ever, but go to Latin America and he is still compared to a Saint by many!
It is this "halo effect" that so many politicians wish to make use of. Che is, quite rightly, celebrated as a revolutionary hero and the easiest way that a politician can appeal to the poor masses is by mentioning an admiration for him. But do you think that when Chavez mentions Che in a speech he’s referring to the latter’s Marxist-Leninist roots? Of course not.

I have no problem with a Marxist or revolutionary making use of Che’s image and legacy. However when some democratic socialist politician does so… well that’s just either ignorance or hypocrisy. Neither is excusable.

[Wiesty]

everyone i know that owns a che shirt knows at least somthing about him, buying a shirt with che on it, without having any idea of whats on the shirt would be pointless.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 06:40 PM
everyone i know that owns a che shirt knows at least somthing about him, buying a shirt with che on it, without having any idea of whats on the shirt would be pointless.
I've met people who've bought the shirt without knowing who Che is. They simply thought it "looked cool". In the West today Che is far more of a fashion icon than a politcal one.

[fernando]

It is this "halo effect" that so many politicians wish to make use of. Che is, quite rightly, celebrated as a revolutionary hero and the easiest way that a politician can appeal to the poor masses is by mentioning an admiration for him. But do you think that when Chavez mentions Che in a speech he’s referring to the latter’s Marxist-Leninist roots? Of course not.
Personally I dont think Che's Marxist-Leninist roots are that interesting at all, Che is seen as a saint because he remained true to his ideals as a revolutionary, that is also the reason why Che gets mentioned in these speeches. Che...the true revolutionary in a way.



I have no problem with a Marxist or revolutionary making use of Che’s image and legacy. However when some democratic socialist politician does so… well that’s just either ignorance or hypocrisy. Neither is excusable.
It depends on how we interpretate Che's vision of things. In the vision of a united "socialist" Latin America I dont see a problem in democratic socialist saying things. Im not so sure what the big fuss is against democratic socialists, if you want to wage a guerilla war sure...however dont believe that guerilla warfare is the only way in order to get things changed. I mean look at the guerilla movements in Peru, they alienated themselves from the masses. The FARC in Colombia has been there for 40 years and still no clear victory is in sight. Che Guevara himself failed in Bolivia due to the fact that he had no popular support there what so ever...

Revolution is a very democratic thing if you look at it like that, the revolution comes from the masses, it should not be put down on them by some elite "Marxist" group who claims to know all the solutions for the people.


In the West today Che is far more of a fashion icon than a politcal one.
The perceptions of Che by the West are irrelevant...here they either see him as a fashion icon or a mass murdering terrorist! There is no reason to enlight the Imperialists!

[cccpcommie]

what about the people like myself who wear his face and push his teachings? is it safe to say some exploitation is well? and what was your reaction to the kid who didnt know who che was?.......see if he didnt know who he was, tell them who he was..dont be a fucking jerkoff and walk away talking to yourself on how u were gunna hit him for not knowing che..Che himself wouldnt want us to educate the people ..even those who live in hell themselves.."america" :D

[perdido]

I bought a shirt with che's picture on it in Tijuana, Mexico. It was cheap and though it looked cool. He seemed like a very noble man. Then I went back to California and was walking about wearing it when a few people started saying things like "it's el che!" this one man came up to me and started talking to me about him. I still had no idea who he was. The man was from Argentina and grew up in the same town Che did. The man talked about him with such reverence and I realized that the guy on my shirt had done something amazing for a lot of people. That's when my studies of Che and socialism started. Havn't looked back since. so in a way, capitalism brought me to socialism.